Homeowners Insurance

boomhower

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I'm in the process of buying my first house and will need to be shopping for insurance sooner than later. I don't have a clue about anything with it. What kind of coverage limits should I be looking for? Any companies in particular I should quote with?(I have Liberty Mutual auto so I'll give them a shot at multi policy discount). Any other insight would be appreciated.
 

kranky

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There are 7 basic types of policies. Every company recognizes these policy types. The differences are primarily what types of perils (for example, fire, explosion, etc.) are insured against, what coverage is provided to personal property, and whether the structure is owned or rented.

Insurers all have their own names for these policies, but they all fall into one of these types.

HO-1 protects against 11 types of perils and only the specific personal property itemized.
HO-2 covers 17 perils. Also called a “named perils” policy.
HO-3 is the most typical policy sold. It protects the HOME against anything NOT specifically excluded (exclusions are things like flood, earthquake, etc.) , and protects CONTENTS against specific named perils.
HO-4 is a renter’s policy and covers personal property like HO-3, with liability coverage as well.
HO-5 is like an HO-3 but the contents are covered against anything not specifically excluded.
HO-6 is for condos.
HO-8 is for older homes where replacement cost is greatly in excess of the home market value. Typically HO-8 coverage is for actual cash value only, not replacement cost.

Each policy has 5 areas of coverage...
Dwelling: this covers the value of the dwelling itself – not the contents, not the land it sits on.
Other structures: this is for things like sheds, etc. on the property but not part of the house.
Personal property: the contents of the house. There are limits to the coverage on certain things like jewelry and cash.
Loss of use: if a covered event makes the house unlivable, this pays for the expense of having to live elsewhere until the home is repaired.
Additional coverage: lots of things like downed tree removal, landscaping damage, etc. Can vary all over the place.
If there are any exclusions (like you would have in an HO-5 policy) they are also spelled out.

My suggestions:
Get an HO-5 policy as it has the most coverage. When I was getting quotes, some were less than half of what I’m paying now. I might have jumped on that deal, but it turns out they were quoting an HO-2 (less coverage) and never mentioned it. I had to ask specifically about a HO-5 policy quote.

Make sure your policy has replacement cost coverage.

It costs very little to raise your liability coverage from $300,000 to $500,000 – in my case, it was an extra $25 a year. I took the higher coverage.

Document your possessions – walk through your home with a camcorder and take photographs of the home itself. Store that information offsite – at a relative’s home, perhaps. If you ever need to make a claim, having that record will make a huge difference in getting things settled.

Ways to save money:
Raise your deductible. The worst thing you can do is have a tiny deductible that will entice you to file small claims. All insurers have access to the CLUE database that has a record of all claims, and if you get dropped for filing claims, everywhere else you shop will see that same record and you’re going to pay a lot for insurance. If you could handle a $1,000 loss, raise your deductible to $1,000. You’ll avoid filing small claims and will save a bundle on insurance. We saved 25%.

Before buying a house, ask your agent to check the CLUE database for that property. You’d probably want to know ahead of time if previous owners had multiple claims.

Make sure you are getting all the discounts you are entitled to: multiple policy discount, smoke detectors on each floor, burglar alarm, security system, fire extinguisher, being close to a fire hydrant, being close to a fire department, having updated heating systems, etc. Some companies give discounts to homeowners over 50, and to retirees.

If you even call your insurance company about a potential claim, they make a record of it. Even if you end up not filing the claim, it's still there in the system. Think before calling. Water damage is the worst thing from the insurer's point of view because they fear having a mold claim. People have gotten dropped because they called to ask about a possible claim from water leaks and never filed the claim.
 

boomhower

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Thanks, that's a ton of info. Looks like I will be calling to get those specific types of quotes. What kinds of things covered with a 5 that aren't in a 2 or 3?
 

kranky

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HO3 covers the contents for the perils it specifically lists. If it's not listed, it's not covered.
HO5 excludes the contents from being covered in certain cases (flood, earthquake for example). If it is not excluded, it is covered.

It's probably not that big a deal, but good to know if you are comparing quotes so you know if you're being quoted the same type of coverage. Liberty Mutual is a good place to start if you already have another policy with them.
 

vidguru83

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great answers. I too am looking for homeowners insurance, but i am absolutely boggled on which company to go with.
 

hdeck

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Thanks, that's a ton of info. Looks like I will be calling to get those specific types of quotes. What kinds of things covered with a 5 that aren't in a 2 or 3?

Liberty Mutual gave me the best deal in Houston, TX. Make sure you call and talk to someone rather than just getting quotes online because most of the big name companies give discounts depending on your employer, school affiliated, etc. They can pretty much find a discount like that to give you.

Also, very few companies sell the HO-5 these days. The ones that do are going to charge a ton for it. Most of the big name companies sell the HO-3 or their version of it. No worries about getting screwed, though, as the big companies have to submit their policies to the state's department of insurance for approval before they can use it.
 

Red Squirrel

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All I can say is DO shop around. I never really figured there was a big difference so I just went with one right away because my dad deals with them, so figured I'd use the same company.

Then I found out that through work we can get a discount on insurance through this other company. I switched and I'm saving over 100/mo now. The insurance is around 45/mo! I was paying 170/mo before. Even without the company discount (which is probably like 10-20% at most) it would be way cheaper. So do shop around, it's incredible the price differences.
 

boomhower

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Yeah, I'm with Liberty Mutual now due to a discount I get through my alumni association. They will get first crack and then I'll call a few others. Nationwide, State Farm, and Progressive are the ones that jump out due to their massive marketing campaigns. Any suggestions for some other good but maybe not as well known companies?
 

sjwaste

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Who has your auto policy? Call them as well. Wherever you go, have them quote you for auto as well. You probably want to minimize your total premium on auto and home together, provided you're getting the coverage you want.
 

boomhower

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Who has your auto policy? Call them as well. Wherever you go, have them quote you for auto as well. You probably want to minimize your total premium on auto and home together, provided you're getting the coverage you want.


Liberty has my auto that's why they are getting called first. They were substantially cheaper than anyone else for the same coverage.


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Texashiker

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Depending on what area you live in, you may also need flood and windstorm insurance.

Homeowners insurance is very specific about what it does and does not cover. Some policies will not cover damage from hurricanes, tornadoes or other high winds.

Flood insurance is for rising water. Homeowners insurance will not protect you against stuff like floods



Check your policy, and make sure you are covered.

My mom and dad carried 3 types of insurance - homeowners, flood and windstorm. When they were flooded out during hurricane Ike, the flood insurance said the high winds were partially responsible for water being pushed into their home. So windstorm paid for part of their flood damage.
 
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airdata

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great answers. I too am looking for homeowners insurance, but i am absolutely boggled on which company to go with.

Insurance companies all go through the same underwriters. They just charge different fees. Look at your policy, it probably says something like underwritten by yada yada lloyds of london.

Most agencies will have the same policies, but may charge different fees.
 

highland145

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Insurance companies all go through the same underwriters. They just charge different fees. Look at your policy, it probably says something like underwritten by yada yada lloyds of london.

Most agencies will have the same policies, but may charge different fees.
Meaning that one state farm agent may have a different rate than another?
 

EagleKeeper

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Meaning that one state farm agent may have a different rate than another?

I do not think that this is true.

There is a difference between companies, not within a company by agency.
The difference in agency will be the service that they provide to you
 

rsutoratosu

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I originally had HO3 and a lot of friends too, no one really look at this. 2 years ago when we renewed, HO5 was like 150 higher for the year, we just end up taking that as it covers a lot more.

We tried looking at different companies ie liberty mutual, metlife, all state, etc.. Unfortunately all state does not sell home insurance in my area and metlife claims we need to get hurricane impact windows.. we live in nyc, not florida. it was insane to switch the windows out to be insured by them.

Shop around.. yeah its time consuming
 

boomhower

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Ended up going with Liberty Mutual. I got quotes with several other companies as well. While most were similar in homeowners rates Liberty was at least $400 better than anyone else on the auto. So they got to get everything. Hopefully I'll close on the home in the next two weeks.
 

Red Squirrel

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My mom and dad carried 3 types of insurance - homeowners, flood and windstorm. When they were flooded out during hurricane Ike, the flood insurance said the high winds were partially responsible for water being pushed into their home. So windstorm paid for part of their flood damage.


LOL wow, now that is terrible, how insurance companies will try anything to avoid a claim. Wind pushing the water into the house, really? That's hilarious. I guess they don't know about this thing called gravity. :awe: They got lucky they had the wind coverage then.

That makes me want to revise my home insurance policy, I'm not sure if it covers natural disasters. While they have not happened here in 20+ years, if more, it does not mean it can never happen.
 

rivan

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There are 7 basic types of policies...

Kranky for elite.


Oh, wait.

Thanks, Kranky - I'm shopping around for coverage and a search brought this up. Excellent info. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Is there any sort of rating system for insurance companies? Obviously simply searching for the company will bring up horror stories for almost any company, but I'm looking at Liberty Mutual myself and their rates are FAR below anyone else.
 

FoBoT

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add earthquake rider/coverage

if you are in a relatively safe zone, it'll be cheap even if you don't need it
if you live in a place with earthquakes, you'll need it
 

sactoking

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Kranky for elite.


Oh, wait.

Thanks, Kranky - I'm shopping around for coverage and a search brought this up. Excellent info. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Is there any sort of rating system for insurance companies? Obviously simply searching for the company will bring up horror stories for almost any company, but I'm looking at Liberty Mutual myself and their rates are FAR below anyone else.

AM Best provides financial strength ratings; they (somewhat) indicate an insurer's likelihood of staying solvent. Solvency can be important (obviously), but its import hinges on your state's guaranty fund laws.

Your state insurance/commerce/business department should have public records of complaints, fines, and other regulatory actions. I find those records to be much more useful than things like the BBB since there is actual investigation involved and not one-sided bitching.
 

ichy

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I got a great deal from Erie Insurance, be sure to check them out if they do business in your state.
 

EagleKeeper

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As the saying goes, "Let your fingers do the walking"

The easiest starting point as mentioned above (somewhere) is to go to your state Department of Insurance division.

They can provide you a list of companies that are licensed in your state.
You can also get a feeling as to the volume/type of complaints for each company.
AMBest ratings will give you the strength - Most big names should not be a problem

From there, contact an agent and/or online for each one. Ensure that you are getting apples to apples comparison.

Most companies will provide multi-policy discounts - however, this may not always be the best rate.

Example:
I have two vehicle insured by Progressive, but their policy quote was $200 over State Farm.

However, come summer, I will still start to shop around to verify that I have the best deal
 
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