Homeworld Remastered - FX gets hammered

[soccerballtux]

A lot of the technologies that made the Pentium 4 workable as a design are what gives Intel its IPC advantage over AMD now. There wasn't really any technology designed for the P4 that wasn't applicable to all future architectures.

Itanium has some heritage in modern Intel chips as well.

the Core CPU architecture came from an Israeli engineering team that was purchased by Intel and saved them from having to continue throwing out terrible Pentium 4 derivatives. All that Intel has in their lineup now is direct fruit of that acquisition and it's Core architecture.

so no. That's like saying Jaguar is what Jaguar is because of their relationship with Ford. The car and brand value were in place long before that acquisition, and the Jaguar doesn't use any Ford parts, nor does the LandRover

 

[Ramses]

There are totally Ford parts in Jags of the appropriate era.
No idea on the LR.

 

[Fox5]

the Core CPU architecture came from an Israeli engineering team that was purchased by Intel and saved them from having to continue throwing out terrible Pentium 4 derivatives. All that Intel has in their lineup now is direct fruit of that acquisition and it's Core architecture.

so no. That's like saying Jaguar is what Jaguar is because of their relationship with Ford. The car and brand value were in place long before that acquisition, and the Jaguar doesn't use any Ford parts, nor does the LandRover

I've never heard that Intel purchased the Israeli team.

And just because the core architecture of the P4 didn't live on, doesn't mean elements of it didn't.

For instance, the trace cache of the P4 is alive and well in current Intel cpus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPU_cache#Trace_cache
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Intel-i7-nehalem-cpu,2041-3.html
" The Nehalem’s Loop Stream Detector no longer stores x86 instructions, but rather µops. In this sense, it’s similar to the Pentium 4’s trace cache concept. It’s no surprise to find certain innovations ushered in by that architecture in the Nehalem, given that the Hillsboro team now in charge of the Nehalem was responsible for the Pentium 4 project."

 

[Idontcare]

I've never heard that Intel purchased the Israeli team.

And just because the core architecture of the P4 didn't live on, doesn't mean elements of it didn't.

For instance, the trace cache of the P4 is alive and well in current Intel cpus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPU_cache#Trace_cache
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Intel-i7-nehalem-cpu,2041-3.html
" The Nehalem’s Loop Stream Detector no longer stores x86 instructions, but rather µops. In this sense, it’s similar to the Pentium 4’s trace cache concept. It’s no surprise to find certain innovations ushered in by that architecture in the Nehalem, given that the Hillsboro team now in charge of the Nehalem was responsible for the Pentium 4 project."

Intel didn't "buy" the Israeli team.

And the Core microarchitecture wasn't invented in a vacuum. The design team started with the PII microarchitecture, added even more PPro stuff back into it, and then went from there.

And lot of stuff developed for the P4 microarchitecture went on to be incorporated into the Core product line. Hyperthreading being one.

In short, somebody has fed soccerballtux a healthy misunderstanding of just about anything and everything to do with the Israel team and the Core architecture. Thankfully though this is the internet and no one gives a dam what any of us have to say, right or wrong!

 

[jhu]

Thankfully though this is the internet and no one gives a dam what any of us have to say, right or wrong!

I wouldn't be too sure abou that...

 

[2is]

That's the AMD mantra...just wait and things will be better later. The problem is later never arrives.

Nonsense, later always arrives... It's just that when it does arrive, AMD doesn't fair like some people predict it will... More often then not, the exact opposite happens.

 

[Maximilian]

the Core CPU architecture came from an Israeli engineering team that was purchased by Intel and saved them from having to continue throwing out terrible Pentium 4 derivatives. All that Intel has in their lineup now is direct fruit of that acquisition and it's Core architecture.

so no. That's like saying Jaguar is what Jaguar is because of their relationship with Ford. The car and brand value were in place long before that acquisition, and the Jaguar doesn't use any Ford parts, nor does the LandRover

It was the pentium M that the Israeli team based core 2 on IIRC, and that came from the pentium III which came from the pentium PRO.

All goes back to the pentium PRO bro :awe:

 

[soccerballtux]

It was the pentium M that the Israeli team based core 2 on IIRC, and that came from the pentium III which came from the pentium PRO.

All goes back to the pentium PRO bro :awe:

ah yes, that's right.

hyperthreading is a non-novel concept that has been used before P4 so I don't count it.

 

[soccerballtux]

I've never heard that Intel purchased the Israeli team.

And just because the core architecture of the P4 didn't live on, doesn't mean elements of it didn't.

For instance, the trace cache of the P4 is alive and well in current Intel cpus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPU_cache#Trace_cache
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Intel-i7-nehalem-cpu,2041-3.html
" The Nehalem’s Loop Stream Detector no longer stores x86 instructions, but rather µops. In this sense, it’s similar to the Pentium 4’s trace cache concept. It’s no surprise to find certain innovations ushered in by that architecture in the Nehalem, given that the Hillsboro team now in charge of the Nehalem was responsible for the Pentium 4 project."

more like poop stream detector imho

 

[teejee]

the Core CPU architecture came from an Israeli engineering team that was purchased by Intel and saved them from having to continue throwing out terrible Pentium 4 derivatives. All that Intel has in their lineup now is direct fruit of that acquisition and it's Core architecture.

so no. That's like saying Jaguar is what Jaguar is because of their relationship with Ford. The car and brand value were in place long before that acquisition, and the Jaguar doesn't use any Ford parts, nor does the LandRover

Thera are huge amount of Ford parts in many Land Rovers in their shared architecture EUCD
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_EUCD_platform

 

[AtenRa]

As can be said for AMD's CPUs. Good thing I can buy an inexpensive add-on GPU to make the Intel CPU faster. Too bad I can't buy an inexpensive add-on to make the AMD CPU faster.

This is an undeniable fact.

Tell that to millions and millions and millions of Intel iGPU Laptop users.

They spend more to have less or didnt even have a second choice.

 

[Erenhardt]

As can be said for AMD's CPUs. Good thing I can buy an inexpensive add-on GPU to make the Intel CPU faster. Too bad I can't buy an inexpensive add-on to make the AMD CPU faster.

This is an undeniable fact.

Nice fact. Thou, I never heard of add-on board that makes CPU faster. Aside from Xeon-phi...

 

[Ramses]

All goes back to the pentium PRO bro :awe:

I have a 5x5" genuine Intel Pentium Pro sticker on my i7 laptop, I bought a pack of them back in like 1998 or 99 off ebay and have been carefully doling them out ever sense. That was and still is a great CPU. Probly only above the 6x86 Cyrix in my favorites list.

It's a damn shame one can't still use old CPU's the way you can use an old car for the same basic thing a new car does.

 

[Phynaz]

Tell that to millions and millions and millions of Intel iGPU Laptop users.

They spend more to have less or didnt even have a second choice.

You're moving the goalposts again, this is an FX thread. Are there FX laptops? Is there an add-on for the laptops to make their CPU perform better?

Edit:
You should also look up MXM. A lot of those millions of Intel GPU laptop owners can add a dGPU. Even AMD GPU's if they want.

There's also docking stations that contain GPU's, and Thunderbolt GPU's for laptops.

 

[AtenRa]

You're moving the goalposts again, this is an FX thread. Are there FX laptops?

yeap,

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2419488

 

[frozentundra123456]

It is an FX in name only.

 

[Phynaz]

yeap,

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2419488

Great. You didn't answer the second part of my question. Is there an inexpensive add-on to make the CPU perform better? Or will the laptop be hobbled by it's slow CPU it's entire life?

 

[richaron]

Is there an inexpensive add-on to make the CPU perform better? Or will the laptop be hobbled by it's slow CPU it's entire life?

AMD is years ahead with speeding up CPU by adding a GPU. It's their HSA/hUMA thing...

I understand this thread is about old & poorly written code, but I still think some people get things upside down.

 

[AtenRa]

Great. You didn't answer the second part of my question. Is there an inexpensive add-on to make the CPU perform better? Or will the laptop be hobbled by it's slow CPU it's entire life?

Is there an add-on to make all those slow Intel 15W TDP CPUs perform better ???
Because dont tell me that the 15W TDP Intel CPU like the Core i3 4030U is fine but the FX-7500 CPU is not.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Is there an add-on to make all those slow Intel 15W TDP CPUs perform better ???
Because dont tell me that the 15W TDP Intel CPU like the Core i3 4030U is fine but the FX-7500 CPU is not.

And the 4030U is still quite faster with 5W less TDP. Not to mention cheaper by the look of it with laptop prices.

 

[Phynaz]

Is there an add-on to make all those slow Intel 15W TDP CPUs perform better ???
Because dont tell me that the 15W TDP Intel CPU like the Core i3 4030U is fine but the FX-7500 CPU is not.

I think this has something to do with it being Friday. It seems that on Friday's people lose all sense of reality and post nonsense like this.

 

[swilli89]

It makes very little sense for this game to be so CPU sensitive given that the gameplay has been drastically simplified versus the 1999 original. The remaster uses dice rolls for hits while the original featured honest to goodness bullet physics, and AI certainly hasn't been noticeably improved.

I know. This fact makes me really sad. :'( I've found myself playing the original un-remastered (which is included in the purchase) just for the honest bullet physics.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

I know. This fact makes me really sad. :'( I've found myself playing the original un-remastered (which is included in the purchase) just for the honest bullet physics.

That and NO UNIT CAP! :biggrin:

 

[swilli89]

That and NO UNIT CAP!

And a spinning research ship. And fighter fuel. And strike craft formations that work. And free research. And 5 different research thread. And.. Ah forget it

 

[AtenRa]

And the 4030U is still quite faster with 5W less TDP. Not to mention cheaper by the look of it with laptop prices.

The FX7500 is a Core i3 haswell with better than HD5000 graphics. If you could buy a laptop with Core i3 and HD5000 at the same price of that AMD Laptop you would praise it like the second coming.