Homosexual's shouldn't be allowed to "come out" until 21

[LordMaul]

Originally posted by: Torghn

Originally posted by: Nefrodite

Originally posted by: pyonir

Originally posted by: Torghn They most certainly are views, being gay is a choice. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just fooling them self. I'm not saying some people may or may not have more of a disposition to chose to be gay, but it is just that, a choice whether they think so or not.

so you being aroused by females (i'm assuming you are male and hetero) is a choice?

apparently so... atleast to the most vehemently anti homosexuals i've seen. my theory is they are somewhere closer to bi on the sexuality sliding scale. you couldn't make me chose, that i know deep down and from childhood you don't get your first crush because you were told to

Being gay CAN NOT be purly genetic, if it were it would die out very quickly. No one is borne gay.

No one is born gay, either.

 

[Torghn]

Originally posted by: pyonir

Originally posted by: travler I wonder if jheffrey dahlmer said to himself "I didnt choose to be like this." tha ball is back in your court freak

that is in no way an accurate analogy. You're saying that all homosexuals are just serial killers that can control themselves?

Replace serial killers with "imoral people" or even "freaks", and you'll be getting a lot closer.

 

[Jfur]

Originally posted by: Torghn

Originally posted by: Nefrodite

Originally posted by: pyonir

Originally posted by: Torghn They most certainly are views, being gay is a choice. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just fooling them self. I'm not saying some people may or may not have more of a disposition to chose to be gay, but it is just that, a choice whether they think so or not.

so you being aroused by females (i'm assuming you are male and hetero) is a choice?

apparently so... atleast to the most vehemently anti homosexuals i've seen. my theory is they are somewhere closer to bi on the sexuality sliding scale. you couldn't make me chose, that i know deep down and from childhood you don't get your first crush because you were told to

Being gay CAN NOT be purly genetic, if it were it would die out very quickly. No one is borne gay.

I take it you have not taken any science or logic courses [by the way, I'm not hitting on you :Q]

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Torghn

Originally posted by: Nefrodite

Originally posted by: pyonir

Originally posted by: Torghn They most certainly are views, being gay is a choice. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just fooling them self. I'm not saying some people may or may not have more of a disposition to chose to be gay, but it is just that, a choice whether they think so or not.

so you being aroused by females (i'm assuming you are male and hetero) is a choice?

apparently so... atleast to the most vehemently anti homosexuals i've seen. my theory is they are somewhere closer to bi on the sexuality sliding scale. you couldn't make me chose, that i know deep down and from childhood you don't get your first crush because you were told to

Being gay CAN NOT be purly genetic, if it were it would die out very quickly. No one is borne gay.

No one is born gay, either. And you're correct. It's not a genetic thing. The genetic excuse is just that: an excuse.

nik

 

[AZGamer]

I have to agree - homosexuality is a horrible immoral and unhealthy lifestyle choice.

They should not be allowed to come out until 18, at which point they can be ostracized from society.

 

[pyonir]

Originally posted by: Torghn

Originally posted by: pyonir

Originally posted by: travler I wonder if jheffrey dahlmer said to himself "I didnt choose to be like this." tha ball is back in your court freak

that is in no way an accurate analogy. You're saying that all homosexuals are just serial killers that can control themselves?

Replace serial killers with "imoral people" or even "freaks", and you'll be getting a lot closer.

So evidently you are a devout christian. perhaps catholic?

it is spelled IMMORAL by the way.

 

[Ramsnake]

I have to agree - homosexuality is a horrible immoral and unhealthy lifestyle choice.

They should not be allowed to come out until 18, at which point they can be ostracized from society.

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[Torghn]

Originally posted by: Jfur

Originally posted by: Torghn

Originally posted by: Nefrodite

Originally posted by: pyonir

Originally posted by: Torghn They most certainly are views, being gay is a choice. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just fooling them self. I'm not saying some people may or may not have more of a disposition to chose to be gay, but it is just that, a choice whether they think so or not.

so you being aroused by females (i'm assuming you are male and hetero) is a choice?

apparently so... atleast to the most vehemently anti homosexuals i've seen. my theory is they are somewhere closer to bi on the sexuality sliding scale. you couldn't make me chose, that i know deep down and from childhood you don't get your first crush because you were told to

Being gay CAN NOT be purly genetic, if it were it would die out very quickly. No one is borne gay.

I take it you have not taken any science or logic courses [by the way, I'm not hitting on you :Q]

I may not be able to spell, but what I said is the only logical conclusion. What are you refering to?

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Jzero
I know people in their 20s whom I think still lack the maturity to deal with their own sexuality.

Look at the entire Catholic Church, from the top down; there are people there in their 70s and 80s who also still lack that same maturity. I would even hazard a guess that the organization as a whole is and has always been afraid of sexuality, and has no idea whatsoever on how to handle it.

I'm with Ufwald on this one; I am not gay, but if the person next door to me is, then he or she has the same basic rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness that I do. The principle of Freedom of Speech is not just about allowing only the speech you want to hear.

There are some people in this thread who would be right at home in Saudi Arabia...

 

[Jzero]

Replace serial killers with "imoral people" or even "freaks", and you'll be getting a lot closer.

That might work.
Except there is no black and white definition of who is "immoral" or who is a "freak."
To many people, I'm a freak. I'm weird. I don't own a television. I would drop anything and everything to spend one hour paddle surfing. I have one pointy ear. I have never even tried smoking marijuana. I shave with a brush and soapcake. I am a straight male, yet I minored in women's studies in college. I majored in computer science yet I don't at all fit the typical "mold" of my nerdish compatriots. I skipped first grade.
These are all reasons people have called me a freak. Freak is only what the beholder considers to be so.

As for morality, that is a very individualistic concept. One person thinks one thing is moral, another does not. There are very few things that the entire world views as universally moral or immoral. In some cases, we even consider killing another human being (in cases of self-defense, for instance) not to be immoral.

Who stepped in and gave you or anyone else the right to dictate morality? Show me your badge....

WRT the idea that if homosexuality is genetic then it could not be passed on, there are two (at least) flaws:
1)Recessive genes that skip generations--if you have a recessive gene for homosexuality, and were to have a child with someone else who also has a recessive gene for homosexuality, there is a chance that the child would get both genes and be homosexual, while others of your children would be born "straight" and yet still be a carrier for "homosexuality."
2)Just because people are gay doesn't mean they don't bite the bullet and get involved in a hetero relationship and have kids.

It's ironic that this thread originally started off centering on the idea that there are many viewpoints that should be heard as long as no one group is trying to force their view upon the other, and now [a few vocal members of] one group is trying to force their view upon the other.

 

[J0hnny]

Whoa, if gay people weren't to come outta the closet till 21, what would MTV have left to show?

 

[Jzero]

Look at the entire Catholic Church, from the top down; there are people there in their 70s and 80s who also still lack that same maturity. I would even hazard a guess that the organization as a whole is and has always been afraid of sexuality, and has no idea whatsoever on how to handle it.

That's a whole OTHER can of worms.......
You can carry fear of sexuality (or is it perhaps a control scheme?) to a number of other religions, as well.

 

[Nefrodite]

Originally posted by: Torghn

Originally posted by: Nefrodite

Originally posted by: pyonir

Originally posted by: Torghn They most certainly are views, being gay is a choice. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just fooling them self. I'm not saying some people may or may not have more of a disposition to chose to be gay, but it is just that, a choice whether they think so or not.

so you being aroused by females (i'm assuming you are male and hetero) is a choice?

apparently so... atleast to the most vehemently anti homosexuals i've seen. my theory is they are somewhere closer to bi on the sexuality sliding scale. you couldn't make me chose, that i know deep down and from childhood you don't get your first crush because you were told to

Being gay CAN NOT be purly genetic, if it were it would die out very quickly. No one is borne gay.

extrapolating from your statement, you would also need to state that no one is born heterosexual. which is purely not the case. gay couples routinely raise straight children, at about the same rate heterosexual couples do. hardcore republicans like dick cheney and newt gingrich have gay children. it could be a chemical change during development in the womb, many things aren't purely genetic, but it doesn't mean you weren't born that way. many things in genetics are two sided, like the sickle cell and malaria. we don't breed out all perceived imperfections as you'd think. there are studies that show parts of gay mens brains are closer to women then men either way, it just goes to show how little we know, and how pointless it is to judge based on some ancient morality or emotional reaction

I have to agree - homosexuality is a horrible immoral and unhealthy lifestyle choice.

vegans would say the same about meat eaters maybe people shouldn't be able to choose to eat meat until they hit the age of 18 eh? hm, maybe we should adopt the moral standards of the saudi's. all infidels will be subhuman under the law, and women will be second class citizens. sweet sweet morality


anyways, the more you know about the world, the more you realize how little you really do know. and vise versa ignorance = simplify into black and white. burn the witch!

so being judgemental about different people that hurt no one is just pointless and arrogant.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Torghn

Originally posted by: Jfur

Originally posted by: Torghn

Originally posted by: Nefrodite

Originally posted by: pyonir

Originally posted by: Torghn They most certainly are views, being gay is a choice. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just fooling them self. I'm not saying some people may or may not have more of a disposition to chose to be gay, but it is just that, a choice whether they think so or not.

so you being aroused by females (i'm assuming you are male and hetero) is a choice?

apparently so... atleast to the most vehemently anti homosexuals i've seen. my theory is they are somewhere closer to bi on the sexuality sliding scale. you couldn't make me chose, that i know deep down and from childhood you don't get your first crush because you were told to

Being gay CAN NOT be purly genetic, if it were it would die out very quickly. No one is borne gay.

I take it you have not taken any science or logic courses [by the way, I'm not hitting on you :Q]

I may not be able to spell, but what I said is the only logical conclusion. What are you refering to?

well actually if its a recessive gene theres a chance of it just hanging around getting passed along for even generations (50% per child) until another that person and another carrier have a child and even then its only a 25% chance of being a physiological trait. plus theres many people that could be genetically homosexual and never really manifested (or even known they were homosexual and repressed it) and had children. plus theres many correlations between sexuality and several measurable phyiscal traits. sure, maybe some people actively choose, maybe other sex is sex and fun no matter what, and maybe for others its entirely genetic. theres too little evidence to make any one blanket conclusion like "being homosexual is a choice."

EDIT: oops, left out environmental factors. point is, saying that homosexuality is caused by one thing, only one thing, and always one thing, would be like claiming cancer is caused by one thing, only one thing, and always one thing. and no, i'm not saying that homosexuality is cancer.

 

[Phokus]

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[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: gwlam12

you can't force yourself to love someone of the opposite sex.

Prostitutes do.



Why the heck am I even in this thread?

EDIT: You can always IGNORE your co-worker's comments.

They don't "love", they fsck.

amish

They can fsck? Cool! I always wanted a ho with UNIX skills! Maybe I can she can fix my computer when we're done!