honeymoon trip to italy

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xanis

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IMO, don't waste too much money on hotels. It might be worth staying a night or two in one of the castle hotels, but you're in Italy for god's sake -- you shouldn't spend too much time in hotels at all. I can barely remember my hotels in Italy because I pretty much just slept there and that was it.

This. I spent two weeks in Italy last summer and the only hotel that *really* stuck out was the one in Assisi, because of the view:



There are a lot of good suggestions in this thread. I stayed with family and got a nice, personal tour from some real Italians, so I cheated a bit.
 
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DigDog

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well, as an italian i'd have plenty things to say but, to keep it short and simple, i'd rather go to 2 locations, one of which is Venice, and make it 6 days there; then i'd make for one of many minor locations, but rustic and beautiful .. there's dozens to pick from.

i'm from rome and i can tell you, stay away; it's a great place, but extremely chaotic and it will wear you out - not a good idea for a honeymoon. i'd just do venice and porto santo stefano, but you could do venice then florence, or venice then (anything in croatia), etc ..

rome / milan / naples in 12 days, counting jet lag and the HORRID italian transports is madness. 5 cities is complete insanity. do not do it.

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when you do make up your mind tell me and i can give you a couple tips on what to do and where to stay. and where to eat.
 

xanis

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Find a smaller city in the middle of your trip and stay there a few days. I remember going with my family a decade ago, and Ferrara was my favorite part of the trip. Much less touristy, and a nice break from the noise of those cities.

I second, though, that you're trying to see too much in too short a time. I wouldn't try to see more than three places in 12 days.

This too. I stayed with some family in a small town called San Casciano in Val di Pesa (try saying that ten times fast). This is the view from my relatives' living room:

 

marvdmartian

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Naples is pretty much a hole. Probably why the US Navy pulls in there. Plenty of debauchery to keep the sailors entertained.
 

UncleWai

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Arriving/leaving at florence cost me 400usd more on each ticket, ouch.
Cinque terre and the tuscany vineyards look good.
I think i will do 4 days in rome
6days florence/cinque terre/chianti area
1-2 days in venice just to leave at their airport

Should i get tour from like city-discovery.com to visit the winery in chianti? I dont drive.
Spend a night at cinque terre?
 

DigDog

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u can't get around anywhere in tuscany w/o a car.

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let me make this absolutely clear : if you carry on with your plan, it will be a horror holiday.

italian transport is beyond belief horrible. public buses not showing up. trains stopping in the middle of the tracks and not moving for hours.

venice is incredibly beautiful and well worth spending at least 4 days in; it's expensive, but not quite as bad as NYC.

tuscany has lovely food and wine yet, it suits more people who have a couple weeks to spend there and aren't in a rush to visit stuff, as one location a day is the most you will manage. it's an agricultural area so you can expect things such as " the bus for your destination leaves once every 3 hours, from 10am to 6pm and that's it " or worse, "first wednesday of the month? LOL no train, wtf u turist or summn?".
in tuscany the places to visit are siena, arezzo and firenze but what most turists do is pick one of the smaller towns and "settle" there, make friends, drive around, and sample the food n wine.

the main beauty of italy for holydaymakers is smaller rural, rustic cities which have been mostly untouched by modern development; however, you do have to contend with all the issues that come with visiting such places, such as getting there in a coach, no cabs, no buses, extremely dear hotel prices, and the whole "tourist trap" thingie.

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also ... italy gets HOT during the summer. like, 40c/105f ; i'v had my share of friends / visitors from the US coming in and wanting to see EVERYTHING in 3 days and they wind up exausted and angry. Rome and somewhat Milan too are really, really busy cities; Rome in the summer ain't different than NYC, madly hot, swarming with tourists, overcrowded, deadly expensive, traffic all blocked up.



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my advice;

honeymoons are all about shagging, in a pictoresque environment. relax rather than effort. the best you can do (after a obligatory visit to venice) is to find a little villa in some either tuscanian or southern village, enjoy the incredible mediterranean sea air, and eat the fantastic food.
towns around naples, palermo, or sicily / sardinia are gorgeous. the cities themselves, naples first, are to be avoided.
 
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bignateyk

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my advice;

honeymoons are all about shagging, in a pictoresque environment. relax rather than effort. the best you can do (after a obligatory visit to venice) is to find a little villa in some either tuscanian or southern village, enjoy the incredible mediterranean sea air, and eat the fantastic food.
towns around naples, palermo, or sicily / sardinia are gorgeous. the cities themselves, naples first, are to be avoided.

Heed this mans advice. Even in october when my wife and I honeymooned in italy it was chaotic and crowded. Looking back at it, our favorite part was relaxing in the countryside.

Although I'm not sure what DigDog think there is to do in Venice for 6 days. We pretty much walked the entire city and saw all the sites in one day. Venice is more of a novelty than anything. The gondola rides are a complete rip off. Most of the time the city is so packed you can't even move.
 

torpid

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Stay on the amalfi coast the entire time. A honeymoon in that many cities sounds like a sure way to guarantee an annulment.
 

linuxboy

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Heed this mans advice.
The areas past the cities (out away from Florence) are diverse if you want to head out past Tuscany. You could head into Umbria and explore the food and art. Or even farther out to Le Marche. There are many argitourismos in the area, and they also tend to be helpful in suggesting activities, places to eat, local favorites, etc. Depending on the time, you can find local festivals, feast days, and celebrations by food producers. The cities can be cool, especially for art and finding street food, like tripe in Florence, but other than that I would stay away.
 

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I did a similar type of trip. Get out of Milan as fast as you can, seriously. Venice is not really worth the stop, other than to say you've been there. Florence is amazing, ended up staying longer there than planned. Rome is a pretty long train ride, and would take several days to really see all the ruins, etc.

Took the trains from city to city. The stops on my trip were:

Home -> Milan -> Florence -> Bologna -> Venice -> Trieste -> Milan -> Home
 

DigDog

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right, right right. i shouold have first explained the italian way of thinking;

day 1 in venice: get the hotel, unpack, buy some smokes and postcards, go to cafe', eat a granita (<-), relax, walk around.
day 2: eat another granita, visit some churches, stay around for the mori (the bell-playing statues), gondola ride, food, sleep
day 3: granita, walk around, lunch, another granita, aperitivo, walk around, dinner, romantic evening, sleep
day 4: oh well, lets do something; go to murano, get some glass done, lunch, relax, return to hotle, dinner, bar, sleep
day 5: ice cream with granita, relax in the sweltering heat, aperitivi, light dinner, dancing, sleep.

and i have even left out the sex.

see the point is to not really do a lot of anything, but to do it in a place which is new, pleasant, and that's it.

vicenza is nearby, and it's great for shopping and sights. murano is where they make the glass, etc .. plenty places.
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Venom's trip is more reasonable than yours because the north of italy is quite more civilised; stuff works. trains come nearly always, and on time. but rome and below is a warzone. i mean yeah, if you *really* want to see rome, i'll make you a 10-day plan where you can actually see shit and not be brutally tired and pissed off the next morning. it'll cost ya tho (not me, but staying there and moving about).
 

DigDog

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what to do in rome;

first off avoid at all costs the area near the stazione termini (where too many tourists wind up staying);
i recommend this place here : http://www.hotelforiimperialicavalieri.com/

see it on google maps. you want to be near v cavour, trust me on this one. if that one's busy there's many other not-so-expensive places near that one. having a friend in rome who can go and get you the rooms for a discount would be a major plus (yeah, they charge locals less; it's true.) look @ goggle maps, see v.cavour? in that road and one over - two down, from v fori imperiali to where the Metro cavour sign is, all that is good.

let's assume 7 full days in the city. water is expensive, cafe's that have tables are deadly dear, but you can have an espresso and glass of water at the bar for 1 euro. note the awesome fountains ("nasone", "big nose") giving free water almost everywhere, use them - bring an empty bottle or two.

day 1 - near the colosseum.
google the finnegan's in v. dei serpenti; there's a sandwich bar there called polvere di stelle. grab a couple then go to the colosseum - buy tickets, do the tour. walk to the arc, then right and through the ruins. ask for the circo massimo, then walk to there. go here : http://www.comune.roma.it/wps/portal/pcr?jppagecode=dip_pol_amb_roseto.wp it's a rose garden 50 yards near you. next to the circo massimo there is a slope - up there is the garden. it's amazing, blowjob guarantee. walk down torwards the river, to the "bocca della verita' ". stick your hand in it, then walk back towards piazza venezia. go up the long red stairs to the campidoglio. visit the campidoglio, palazzo venezia (the big white thing, the "typewriter"),walk down to the forum (foro romano). walk out of the forum and you're 100m from your hotel.
relax. cross the road and go to the enoteca 313 in v.cavour. have some light dinner, and try the pistachio ice cream. take it easy on the first day and go to be early.

day 2 - the vatican and shit.
(good idea to start the day with a couple sandwiches, again. you might want to try the alimentari (food shop) on the corner, near the metro cavour; try the rosette, famous italian bread.)
take the bus (omg you've never seen a bus so packed) 64 from p.venezia (short walk from the hotel) and ride it to the end. make it early if you can.ask for the walk up the cupola, do the walk. the sistine chapel is here. take some pictures, then head down. there isn't much else to see here. walk along via della conciliazione to castel st.angelo, and go inside. take the short tour, and have some not so excellent ice cream in the top bar. walk back out and down, in the mole adriana, the green stuff below the castle. cross ponte st.angelo, and walk straight. that's where i was born, dog!
go eat at the nearby "ristorante pizzeria ponte vittorio" (google), i recommend the agnello alla scottadito, rucola e bresaola, straccetti, bruschette e panzanella. (then slowly, get on the left hand side of corso vittorio and walk it all to the statue of giocachino belli, between p.navona and p.campo de fiori. alternatively you can walk along v.dei banchi vecchi which is the parallel one on the right. there's a couple nice spots here to see, some churches, your call.
once you're here, go to the left and see piazza navona. the bar tre scalini i sone of the few places whre it's ok to spend 5euro for a ice cream. sit down and enjoy.take the wife inside Al Sogno, and buy a teddy or two(on the lefthand end of the square). take any bus back to p.venezia, then back to hotel.

day 3 - relax!!!

go to eat at the ristorant al cardello, twenty yeards away from the hotel.
walk along the fori to p.venezia (again) and then down into that long, straight road (v.del corso); bring your wallet cuz wife will want some of your money. walk all the way to piazza del popolo.
go up the stairs to the green thingie, and ask for the orologio ad acqua. see it, walk back down to pza. del popolo; walk all the way along via del babuino, until you get to the quite awesome piazza di spagna. look at google maps, all the small lanes between these 2 roads you just walked are full of clothing shops, mostly couture. keep walking straight until you see that butt-ugly tunnel, then turn right and walk to fontana di trevi. don't go in the fountain .. you'll get arrested.
there's a great if somewhat commercial sushi bar in the nearby via della mercede, called hamasei. expensive, but worth it. one of 2 amazing sushi in rome.
wheter you do that or not, walk back down to the street you first went into (v.del corso) ; walk back to the hotel, relax.

day 4 - food!! (try to have 1 serving shared for all these, there's quite a lot.

a sushi bar which is simply amazing (hasekura) is near by - via dei serpenti. or try the fusion restaurant called FISH - also amazing and 3 doors down from hasekura.
take any bus to largo argentina. once there head into via di torre aregntina and try the very first bar thingie you see - have a milkshake, try the monterosa it's amazing. walk ahead until you hit the pantheon. looking at the entrance, on the left is a shop called la casa del caffe, big ugly yellow letters, go and try the world-famous and fucking unforgettable granita di caffe they have. walk back whence you came from, or, take the parallel road (via dei cestari), which incidentally has a nice shop at the very end called La Chiave.

we're gonna avoid piazza campo de fiori for now, as it's something of a world of its own.

back in largo di torre argentina, walk towards the bridge (where the train tracks are at), and stop at the ice cream parlour Gelateria Alberto Pica (right next to the very first train stop after the end of the tracks, about 50 years down). it's next to a pharmacy, around the corner. i recommend the chocolate ice cream.
get to the bridge but don't cross it - go left, until you see a small bridge leading to the micro-island isola tiberina. go to the island, walk down, then back out the other side. walk back to the other side of the bridge you didn't walk across of, and you'r ein piazza sonnino.
here there is a pizzeria called Ai Marmi but known to everyone as L'Obitorio (the morgue) due to the marble-slab tables they have. the pizza here is world-class, i kid you not. eat to your heart's content, then walk down via della lungaretta. check out the fabulous square, then turn the corner to the left under the arch and have a sit at the cafe' di san callisto, where you'll have a "Peroni grande al vetro" each. relax. don't be alarmed by the hash smoking clientele (it can happen).this is a great place for socialising; somehow find your way back to the hotle (you're a lot closer than you think).

day 5 - living the life of a romano.

wak up late, grab sandwiches. take the nearby subway to Piramide and from there the train to Ostia. chillax on the beach. when you come back walk down the via marmorata to the bridge. on the left is a nice restaurant and one of my favourites, Lo Scopettaro (try the tripe, or the oxtail - "coda alla vaccinara" and "trippa alla romana"; this is one of the few places left that still has REAL roman food, and well made/priced). on the right is the bocca della verita', isola tiberina and places you were at earlier. this area is called testaccio and is one of the true roman places; it becomes alive at night, but you sort of have to know where to go. You could easily be next door to a awesome club and not know it.
your key destination is campo de fiori. take any bus along lungotevere aventino and ride it until the big bridge you didn't go on yesterday.
it's maybe 3 stops, or you can just walk. either this, or after the restaurant you can go back to Piramide, walk along viale aventino until you bump into the colosseum. your hotel is just there, should you want to shower and stuff. change into your night clothes, maybe.

make your way to piazza campo de fiori. bus 64 will take you there, when you see corso vittorio and the statua di gioacchino belli, get out and go left (instead of piazza navona, which is now right). campo de fiori is the hub of rome, or at least, for those people who follow a particular trend. there's many subcultures in rome, but of all, these guys are perhaps the best to meet. from here on, you are on your own, just make sure you don't get too tired.

fyi rome has some seriously impressive discos. some are outside, far to reach, some are inside and are very famous but can be expensive to get in.. and sometimes you can't actually make it inside. yeah, they are really posh.
if you do make friends among the locals (or naturalised) when it gets to be really late, ask them if they know where to get "bombe e cornetti" (bombs and horns)

day 6 - gianicolo and yet more walking.

take the bus 64 to the restaurant Ponte Vittorio and get to the bridge, but don't cross - walk left, to Ponte Principe Amedeo Savoia Aosta (via degli acciaioli), cross it, and look for a winding road on the left hand side, called via del gianicolo. walk that sucker all the way up, until the end of Passeggiata del Gianicolo. cross the arch (we like arches), turn left, and see the entrance gate to a gree thingie called Villa Dora Pamphili. you're gonna want to spend most of the day here, exploring the villa. google it - it's enormous. makes central park look like a joke. ideally, and with someone to guide you, you would make it to the other end (note on the map how v.pamphili is TWO big green thingies), but the first one (the more triangular shaped one, which has via leone XIII crossing it) is the better part - the other is just a big field really. whichever way you come out of, you will want to get back to the place you entered from. you're shooting for Fontanone del Gianicolo / porta san pancrazio. walk down that winding road with gorgeous view, and soon enough you will be back near the bar you were at two days ago. you're probably knackered by now and wear shoes two sizes bigger than when you started, so head back.

day 7 - head back to piazza navona and just walk around the smaller streets. relax, and get ready to pack.

this 6-day plan gives you a lot and makes sure you don't get hurt or run into some of the worst aspects of rome ppl just dont tell you about. ofc rome to the locals is much more, but you need to have "special tastes" to enjoy it. drink beer? there's a few places you wouldn't want to miss. smoke weed? same - places to see. like discos? swinger clubs? industrial and gothic? raves? jazz? there's plenty for everyone, but you have to know what you're getting to enjoy it. and some things can take more effort than just walking.

one final edit: rome has everything you can imagine. these listed are just the things unique to rome. but for some specific interests, just ask. theatre, music, shows of all kind, etc ..


TL, DR ??

go to piazza navona, walk around, eat ice cream.
 
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marvdmartian

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Oh, and if you decide to check out the Sistine Chapel, make sure NOT to do it on a Sunday. For some strange reason, it's closed on Sundays! :hmm:
 

UncleWai

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sweet jesus thanks Digdog, i will bet my honeymoon vacation on your recommendtions.

I just found another problem, I was planning to stay at rome between Aug 13-18. The Feast of the Assumption is at Aug 14-15 and the vatican is out of commission. I bet it will be especially crowded with tourists in this particular week in Rome?

I shall do the same kind of recommendations for you guys if any one of you are visitingthe anal of China - Hong Kong.
 

DigDog

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crowded? LOL. you betcha.

also expect 105-110f , 40-42c.

i stand by my initial claim that rome is not a good place to visit during holiday season; we've got decent weather so late september would be much better. also march -june is great.

also, places are cheaper and you get that sweet breeze that makes it so much better. if the wife sees this, tell her i'd say Oct.1 would be just perfect as a date - worth putting the wedding on hold for.

ofc if i were honeymooning i'd rather pick one of the famous seaside resort we have and just enjoy the life al-fresco over there. less being a tourist, more enjoying yourself.
but then again, i'm from rome, so to me visiting Boston is like, wow.

edit: does that mean you *live* in HK ?if so, why Italy and not some island paradise? i mean .. you really can't beat fiji as holiday.
 
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UncleWai

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Booked. Will arrive on the 13th
14th pantheon, roman forum and the nearby sites
15th day trip to orvieto
16th borghese, trevj fountain, spanish steps, those shit
17th vatican and the undergroundtour
18th to florence just chill
19th cinque terre day trip tour
20th tuscany day trip tour
21st uffizi and chill
22nd to 24th at venice, burano murano
25th back to the anus of china
 

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Search my posts. I went to Italy last summer for two weeks. I strongly suggest cutting some stops out. We did Rome, Florence and Venice in two weeks and we felt it was too busy, without venturing outside of the city limits of any of them. I'm also fluent in Italian, have plenty of family there to call for recommendations and help, which make the trip smoother. Even with that, it was busy.

Places to stay -

Rome: Hotel St. George or St. Regis Rome, depending on budget. We stayed at the latter, but you better believe I was using Starwood points for that and not spending 700 euro a night.

Florence: Hotel Lungarno, on the Oltrarno side (other side of the river).

Venice: Hotel Splendid, very close to the sights, which means right in the middle of the crowds - but I can't suggest that you stay in Cannaregio if you only have 3 days there.

The best things we did in each place -

Rome: The Vatican. It's incredible. Take a paid tour.

Florence: Start with the Florence for Foodies tour, it's a great food city and you'll meet lots of people. The best places to go come from locals, not guidebooks or the internet, so you want to meet people. Do this on the first day.

Venice: We didn't love Venice, but IMHO, the best thing we did was walk around and just see the city. It's an incredible, unique place, and you can really get a nice look at it if you wander away from the tourists.

PM me if you want some names of tour operators and some places to eat in any of those cities. We met some great people and I'd be happy to pass along their email addresses or drop them a note and tell them you'll be contacting them.

For travel, ride the Frecciarossa from Rome to Florence, and the Frecciargento from Florence to Venice, and Venice to Rome. Those are the nicest (and fastest) trains. I highly recommend the small premium to book first class, you'll have more room and more space for your luggage up top. If you take the train to Venice, make sure you book to Venezia Santa Lucia, NOT Venezia Mestre. Mestre is outside of where you want to go. Then, for a laugh, prepare to have your train unexpectedly terminate in Mestre, because they often do. If that happens, shell out for a cab to the terminal, and take a water taxi (70 euro) to your hotel. The regional trains suck.
 

UncleWai

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just got back from orvieto, pretty nice. I went for the whole collosseum/palatino/circo maximo/pantheon/trevi fountain run yesterday. I am fucking tired.
Will go browse around Borghese gallery tmr, taking it easy.
 
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