Hope Is Lost For The Obese?

[Newell Steamer]

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015...se-people-reaching-normal-weight-less-than-1/

Despite the fact that the diet industry does several billion dollars worth of business in the U.S. alone each year, a new study published in the American Journal of Public Health suggests that most obese people will never achieve a “normal” weight.

So, let's put aside shitlords fat shaming people. And, let's put aside the media depiction of what beautiful is. Also, lets forget how obese people don't fit in most places 'normal' weight people can - airplane seats, etc.

Let's look at the health aspect of it: disease, slow painful death, poor quality of life. On that alone, I would change. Knowing that I feel like crap or will die to high sugar levels alone would make me want to lose weight ASAP.

And, it's not like there isn't enough help out there. Everything from extreme workouts to surgery! What gives?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Let me keep this succinct. These threads are raw meat so you should get many replies. Replies they could just C&P from the other 100 threads like this.

What gives? Humans like to follow the path of least resistance. That is it, that's all it is.

 

[SKORPI0]

And, it's not like there isn't enough help out there. Everything from extreme workouts to surgery! What gives?

Having the will power to do something about it rather than sitting around and waiting for a miracle to happen. ^_^

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Let me keep this succinct. These threads are raw meat so you should get many replies. Replies they could just C&P from the other 100 threads like this.

What gives? Humans like to follow the path of least resistance. That is it, that's all it is.

Raw meat?

Goddamit, now I"m hungry.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Raw meat?

Goddamit, now I"m hungry.

LOL, well eat Dave. Feed the machine! :awe:

 

[SlitheryDee]

All that means is that on average most people who get obese stay at least overweight. That still allows for a lot of people to lose a lot of weight. Every official "normal weight" scale I've ever seen was also pretty unrealistic. I would guess that only a small percentage of the population at large ever conforms to that anyway.

I see charts that say that a 6' male can be at most 160 lbs and be considered "normal". An obese person could be 100lbs more than that easily. Say they lose 100lbs of fat, but because of the exercise they put themselves through to do that, they put on 20lbs of muscle. Then they're a shredded 180lbs, but technically overweight. Those people would be counted as "failed" in a study like this.

 

[88keys]

Well I was 387 lbs at one point in my life.

I now weigh 208lbs and at 6'0" that is about a 29 BMI. So I suppose this study is correct. My waist is 33" however so I really don't have much more than 10-15 pounds to lose.

But I'd take any study that uses BMIs with a grain of salt.

Especially in light of these findings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOFI

 

[SlitheryDee]

Well I was 387 lbs at one point in my life.

I now weigh 208lbs and at 6'0" that is about a 29 BMI. So I suppose this study is correct. My waist is 33" however so I really don't have much more than 10-15 pounds to lose.

But I'd take any study that uses BMIs with a grain of salt.

Especially in light of these findings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOFI

I need to lose a bit of weight myself to be ideal. At 200lbs I can see my abs though. Are they saying I need to lose more weight than that? WTH do they want from us?

 

[bradley]

I've been muscle building since a teenager and always try to impart training and diet impetus to those who want to listen. But I'm certainly not going to give unsolicited advice wrapped in a fancy political ideology while patting myself on the back.

Modern progressives are always the most judgmental, surly, cowardly, hypocritical and yeah, ignorant and intellectually lazy. Stay the fuck outta other people's business and quit sticking your nose where it doesn't belong.

The below dude (Obese 2 Beast) is way more inspirational, courageous and chill than someone who uses shame as motivation. He also gives a better real world understanding and appreciation about the unique complexities of being overweight or obese, which lean people like me might never experience.

My Biggest Insecurity: Loose Skin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpKDteQ3FIQ&t=2m4s

Average skin tightening surgery is in the 30-50K range, btw.

 

[Murloc]

YAFST

Raw meat?

Goddamit, now I"m hungry.

this is disrespectful towards vegans, you better insert a trigger warning the next time you associate meat with eating.

 

[Kaido]

Humans like to follow the path of least resistance. That is it, that's all it is.

Well,

1. Humans follow the path of least resistance

and

2. We live in a horrible trap of affluence

It's like the #firstworldproblems thing - it's not that living in a wealthier country is bad, but it is a two-edged sword & does have its downsides. We have access to everything 24/7, so it's pretty hard not to cave. Judging from McDonald's sign that says "billions & billions served", it's a pretty easy trap to set if you're in the food business. Very few people even question it. It's convenient & it tastes good, and we thus we get fat.

Ultimately it boils down to making the decision that you want to get in shape & taking personal responsibility for your choices. It's not so much a mass epidemic as it is a problem of individual choice. If you live in America, you are surrounded by food. If you're prone to over-eating, you're going to gain weight. If you gain weight, it's up to you to make the choice to get back in shape. Our culture is slowly migrating away from the concept of personal responsibility too...finances, relationships, nutrition, you name it.

I think like 100 years ago we didn't have as much access as we do now to fattening foods in quantity for cheap prices, so it's partly recognizing the trap we live in & mostly deciding how you want to deal with it. Some people are just naturally athletic or have strong personal discipline out of the gate, so it's never a problem for them, but based on the high obesity rate, I don't think those things are the norm. There's not really a way to fix it in a capitalistic society either...remember when they tried to ban big sodas in NY? You can't really force anyone to do anything either, so...it's up to individuals to make the decision & enforce it.

 

[KeithTalent]

This thread has convinced me to go have a couple of beers and an order of fish and chips at the local pub tonight. Thanks OP!

KT

 

[irishScott]

Obesity is typically a mental and/or physiological problem. Without addressing potential psychological issues or uncontrollable physiological issues (hormone imbalances, thyroid conditions, etc) damn right a lot of obese people will never keep the weight off.

And diets are always a band-aid solution. To keep weight off requires a healthy, sustainable lifestyle that you'll continue until you die. For the average person it isn't that hard, eat all the fruits, vegetables and meat you want! Just limit breading/fried food and anything with large concentrations of sugar. It takes some getting used to for the first few days as your body adapts to not being able to get a sugar high, but it's well worth it in my experience. And I drink plenty of beer on the weekends.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

YAFST


this is disrespectful towards vegans, you better insert a trigger warning the next time you associate meat with eating.

Vegans? OMG I AM SO TRIGGERED RIGHT NOW!

 

[zCypher]

Obesity is typically a mental and/or physiological problem. Without addressing potential psychological issues or uncontrollable physiological issues (hormone imbalances, thyroid conditions, etc) damn right a lot of obese people will never keep the weight off.

And diets are always a band-aid solution. To keep weight off requires a healthy, sustainable lifestyle that you'll continue until you die. For the average person it isn't that hard, eat all the fruits, vegetables and meat you want! Just limit breading/fried food and anything with large concentrations of sugar. It takes some getting used to for the first few days as your body adapts to not being able to get a sugar high, but it's well worth it in my experience. And I drink plenty of beer on the weekends.

This.

 

[88keys]

Obesity is typically a mental and/or physiological problem. Without addressing potential psychological issues or uncontrollable physiological issues (hormone imbalances, thyroid conditions, etc) damn right a lot of obese people will never keep the weight off.

And diets are always a band-aid solution. To keep weight off requires a healthy, sustainable lifestyle that you'll continue until you die. For the average person it isn't that hard, eat all the fruits, vegetables and meat you want! Just limit breading/fried food and anything with large concentrations of sugar. It takes some getting used to for the first few days as your body adapts to not being able to get a sugar high, but it's well worth it in my experience. And I drink plenty of beer on the weekends.

this.

And I honestly dont doubt that excessive sugar added to many food products is a major contributing factor. I've only recently started paying attention to this and it's insane.

 

[lord_emperor]

Finally, a context in which I am the 1%.

 

[MarkXIX]

I am in the Army Reserve. For my rank, I am about 10-15 years older than my typical peer group. I became an officer late in my career. I just completed two weeks of training with my peer group and I noticed that among my peers, I am both in better shape and in some cases look younger too.

Having gotten that out of the way, here's my concern today. Our society will eventually be propped up solely by the physically fit. I already see it happening inside and outside the military. My less fit peers aren't selected for the tough tasks or they don't even try to take on the more rigorous tasks because they know they can't. Contrary to common belief, the military is NOT in shape just to fight wars. The military's exercise programs are intended almost exclusively to manage stress in the force. Someone who is more physically fit can better deal with the stressors of military service, in and out of war.

I pay an increasing amount of medical insurance despite the fact that I almost never use it. I know that's to cover down on those that use it far more frequently than I do. Again, I am shouldering a larger burden for others.

I could go on and I'm not going to "fat shame" anyone because I have family members who are overweight/obese, but as a society we have to change. We've accomodated the issue(s) instead of addressing the issue(s) and that's the underlying problem in my opinion.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I could go for a Baconator right now. With extra bacon.

Really the key to not gaining weight is to not eat too much, it's really that simple. If I have a Baconator, it will probably be the only meal I have in the day, I wont be hungry for anything else. Some people feel they absolutely must have 3 meals or more per day hungry or not. And that's not even considering exercising, if you do that then even better.

I eat a rather average diet, not super good but not super bad, and manage to maintain 150lbs even if I do splurge on an extra large poutine or pizza or other unhealthy foods every now and then. Life is too short to go on a diet. Enjoy life and food just don't overdo it.

 

[MarkXIX]

I could go for a Baconator right now. With extra bacon.

Really the key to not gaining weight is to not eat too much, it's really that simple. If I have a Baconator, it will probably be the only meal I have in the day, I wont be hungry for anything else. Some people feel they absolutely must have 3 meals or more per day hungry or not. And that's not even considering exercising, if you do that then even better.

I eat a rather average diet, not super good but not super bad, and manage to maintain 150lbs even if I do splurge on an extra large poutine or pizza or other unhealthy foods every now and then. Life is too short to go on a diet. Enjoy life and food just don't overdo it.

I will generally agree with this. I run 3-4 miles several times a week almost exclusively so I can eat/drink things I probably shouldn't.

 

[destrekor]

Well I was 387 lbs at one point in my life.

I now weigh 208lbs and at 6'0" that is about a 29 BMI. So I suppose this study is correct. My waist is 33" however so I really don't have much more than 10-15 pounds to lose.

But I'd take any study that uses BMIs with a grain of salt.

Especially in light of these findings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOFI

There is far more to it than just waist size.

However, in the process of dropping body fat at that point, you should also begin to increase muscle density. You can be healthy in size proportions and appearances, but still be technically obese by body fat percentage standards. If you don't have enough dense muscle tissue, fat is stored within muscles and can appear as some muscle volume, and also just doesn't appear as obviously as gut fat. It's not as harmful as visceral fat within the gut, but it's certainly not good for you either.

 

[destrekor]

I am in the Army Reserve. For my rank, I am about 10-15 years older than my typical peer group. I became an officer late in my career. I just completed two weeks of training with my peer group and I noticed that among my peers, I am both in better shape and in some cases look younger too.

Having gotten that out of the way, here's my concern today. Our society will eventually be propped up solely by the physically fit. I already see it happening inside and outside the military. My less fit peers aren't selected for the tough tasks or they don't even try to take on the more rigorous tasks because they know they can't. Contrary to common belief, the military is NOT in shape just to fight wars. The military's exercise programs are intended almost exclusively to manage stress in the force. Someone who is more physically fit can better deal with the stressors of military service, in and out of war.

I pay an increasing amount of medical insurance despite the fact that I almost never use it. I know that's to cover down on those that use it far more frequently than I do. Again, I am shouldering a larger burden for others.

I could go on and I'm not going to "fat shame" anyone because I have family members who are overweight/obese, but as a society we have to change. We've accomodated the issue(s) instead of addressing the issue(s) and that's the underlying problem in my opinion.

Well said. :thumbsup:

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Good. Hopefully all the fatties at my gym admit defeat. They keep coming back every other week to crowd the gym and chug on a treadmill for 10 minutes while lifting twinkies to their mouth. God forbid people that have some willpower to achieve goals instead of living in denial week after week.

 

[Mai72]

I am in the Army Reserve. For my rank, I am about 10-15 years older than my typical peer group. I became an officer late in my career. I just completed two weeks of training with my peer group and I noticed that among my peers, I am both in better shape and in some cases look younger too.

Having gotten that out of the way, here's my concern today. Our society will eventually be propped up solely by the physically fit. I already see it happening inside and outside the military. My less fit peers aren't selected for the tough tasks or they don't even try to take on the more rigorous tasks because they know they can't. Contrary to common belief, the military is NOT in shape just to fight wars. The military's exercise programs are intended almost exclusively to manage stress in the force. Someone who is more physically fit can better deal with the stressors of military service, in and out of war.

I pay an increasing amount of medical insurance despite the fact that I almost never use it. I know that's to cover down on those that use it far more frequently than I do. Again, I am shouldering a larger burden for others.

I could go on and I'm not going to "fat shame" anyone because I have family members who are overweight/obese, but as a society we have to change. We've accommodated the issue(s) instead of addressing the issue(s) and that's the underlying problem in my opinion.

The issue is people are going to have to make HUGE life changes. Less McDonalds and more fruits and vegetables. We as a society talk a good game, but in reality many people are overweight because of their bad lifestyles.

IMO, it comes down to the pain and pleasure principle. Tony Robbins talks about this in his book "Awaken the Giant Within." To make changes in life we must direct intense pain to what we want to change, and in return we must direct intense pleasure to the habit we want to form.

Take being obese as an example. To fully change you must direct major pain to being obese, or else nothing is going to work. This is why when people have gotten to the breaking point. They say "No More! I'm tired of living this way." They are much more likely to make the change. They will then need to look into the future. They may ask "What will happen to me in 5 years if I continue to eat like a pig? Will I get diabetes? Will I develop heart issues which could lead to a heart attack?" They might also want to visit an amputee with severe diabetes, to bring home the image that they may end up like this person, unless they make changes in their attitude towards food and exercise. Next, they need to get rid of their bad habits and replace them with good habits. This is where the pleasure principle comes in. Going to the gym could become a pleasurable experience. The pleasure needs to be intense enough that it overrides the bad habits.

None of this matters if the person is unwilling to change.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

This thread has convinced me to go have a couple of beers and an order of fish and chips at the local pub tonight. Thanks OP!

KT

Dammit KT, between you and Koing, I have a fish&chip craving that is killing me. It is not something I do well. Yes, I can make them, but it never hits the spot the way a place that does them well will. Every place I have tried here fails. A was told the food truck that makes them kills it, but I have yet to get to them before they run out. And that is my first world problem for the day.