Hostage situation in Sydney

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Orignal Earl

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You're rather confused. No jurisdiction in the U.S. can ban ANYONE from entering based on their religion, and they certainly can't make it illegal to make derogatory statements about God or religion. Whereas many Muslim countries ban non-Muslims from various locations and make it a capital crime to question God and Islam. (Things analogous to this aren't unique to Muslim countries - witness how China treats those who publicly question the government, but we're specifically comparing Muslim countries with America).

So you're reduced to comparing what some American jurisdictions or people may WANT (but are unable) to do about Muslims with what Muslim countries actually do. That's pretty lame.

Out of the more then 50 Muslim majority countries which ones are you talking about?

edit- yes I am talking about posters like peonyu not what America stands for..like freedom of religion

For more on Blasphemy laws look here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law
 
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peonyu

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What difference?
SA doesn't want non Muslims in that city
peonyu doesn't want Muslims in the US

SA is not the authority on Islam
Wahhabism is a tiny tiny tiny part of Islam that is described as ultra conservative

edit- oh you may not know peons posting history, check his profile


I actually have never said Muslims shouldnt migrate to the West and I know quite a few Muslims myself believe it or not. That doesnt mean that I have to love that religion and deny the obvious - which is that almost all terrorism today is from that religion, and that at its core it IS a intolerant religion which DOES preach hate for non-muslims and it is sexist towards females.

There is nothing wrong with that. And just because some people are Muslim [and I know some myself] doesnt automatically make it a sin to have a opinion about their religion, most Muslims afterall are born into that religion and dont take it literally. ISIS unfortunately does take it literally. And so do other terrorist groups, Islam taken literally is downright fucking scary and it condones suicide bombing and it condones whats going on in that cafe right now. Most other religions do not condone murder, Islam says its ok as long as it is done in the name of Islam.


Edit- The reason I posted that sign of Mecca, is that it shows the innate intolerance of Islam. Vatican City is open to EVERYONE. Same with nearly ever other religions "Holy" city on planet Earth. The exception is Islam, which looks down on Non-Muslims.
 
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Orignal Earl

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I actually have never said Muslims shouldnt migrate to the West and I know quite a few Muslims myself believe it or not. That doesnt mean that I have to love that religion and deny the obvious - which is that almost all terrorism today is from that religion, and that at its core it IS a intolerant religion which DOES preach hate for non-muslims and it is sexist towards females.

There is nothing wrong with that. And just because some people are Muslim [and I know some myself] doesnt automatically make it a sin to have a opinion about their religion, most Muslims afterall are born into that religion and dont take it literally. ISIS unfortunately does take it literally. And so do other terrorist groups, Islam taken literally is downright fucking scary and it condones suicide bombing and it condones whats going on in that cafe right now. Most other religions do not condone murder, Islam says its ok as long as it is done in the name of Islam.

You have a close down all Mosques picture in your profile?
Islam does not condone any of the shit you say it does, I have shown you a thousand times but you keep spewing your crap.
I can understand that you can't grasp some things and your gullible
 
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peonyu

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You have a close down all Mosques picture in your profile?
Islam does not condone any of the shit you say it does, I have shown you a thousand times but you keep spewing your crap.
I can understand that you can't grasp some things


There are hundreds of quotes from Muhammad himself preaching hatred for non-Muslims, and especially for Jews. You cant downplay your favorite religion's true nature - its vile. And its obvious to everyone to.
 

peonyu

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And what about the dogma of the Torah or Bible on the same subjects?


Those religions had their balls cut off during the Renaissance and they are both pretty meek nowadays. The same needs to happen to Islam, hopefully it has a reformation soon.
 

Orignal Earl

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There are hundreds of quotes from Muhammad himself preaching hatred for non-Muslims, and especially for Jews. You cant downplay your favorite religion's true nature - its vile. And its obvious to everyone to.

No, you read a bunch of hate sites versions of what Muhammad says and take it to be the truth
My favorite religion? See, you just convinced yourself of another falsehood
 

Xcobra

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Crazy times. And this happens just when I am about to move back to the US.
 

norseamd

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Those religions had their balls cut off during the Renaissance and they are both pretty meek nowadays. The same needs to happen to Islam, hopefully it has a reformation soon.

The Israelis are becoming genocidal fundamentalists again and are just as bad as the Islamic Jihadists.
 

Orignal Earl

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The Israelis are becoming genocidal fundamentalists again and are just as bad as the Islamic Jihadists.

JediYoda and his ilk don't represent Israel either
That wacky Mormon who posts here does not represent Mormons
Dozens of creepy IT guys who post here don't represent IT guys
 

norseamd

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JediYoda and his ilk don't represent Israel either That wacky Mormon who posts here does not represent Mormons Dozens of creepy IT guys who post here don't represent IT guys

Yeah but the political and societal power in the Israeli state is becoming a huge problem.
 

compuwiz1

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Remember this always, not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslims. There are plenty of examples, where supposed peaceful Muslims became radicalized and did horrible things.
 

Jaskalas

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Any new info on the situation, is it a lone wolf style madman, or a group?
Have the police made contact?
 

compuwiz1

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ISIS are Jihadists. So are many of the other so named righteous rebel fighters who the US supports against Assad and the Alawites.

Which reminds me, when we give foreign aid, which buys weapons, how do we know we won't be fighting against those weapons we provided? Seems we continually weaponize our enemies. Why do we do this, when we should know better?

One of the greatest faults of the USA seems to be that we put our money and our noses where they don't belong.
 

norseamd

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Which reminds me, when we give foreign aid, which buys weapons, how do we know we won't be fighting against those weapons we provided? Seems we continually weaponize our enemies. Why do we do this, when we should know better? One of the greatest faults of the USA seems to be that we put our money and our noses where they don't belong.

True but isolationism and interventionism are both extremist ideologies.
 

Orignal Earl

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I'm starting to get really tired of how people like Original Earl cry racism whenever someone has an opinion on issues like this.

Maybe a nap in the afternoon might help

I know people from Iran and studied with them at school, they were some of the friendliest people I have met, but just because I know people of a certain religion or ethnicity doesn't mean I can't have an opinion or have to already know people from another country to have an opinion.

Well see, that's the problem I have too
I know a lot of Muslims too, and all of them are great people. Same with Americans or Australians, it's going to take a lot more then the few kooks that exist within those societies to convince me that the rest of them are the same

If our society has become so politically correct that a white male can't have an opinion without being labelled racist then something has seriously gone wrong with our society.

Looking at you people in America, I don't think you realize how much other countries like Australia look up to you for leadership and your values, yet to see so many celebrities of colour coming out crying racism really saddens me and makes me wonder if this is a real issue or just a blame game.

You go right ahead and state your opinions, I'll defend your right to do so
So will the Muslims I know, that's part of the reason they moved here
Your the only Ozzie I have ever heard say that you look up to America for leadership and that's fine for you to have that opinion. If it wasn't for you spelling colour correctly, I'd probably think you were just another alt from one of the regulars here
 
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Orignal Earl

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Remember this always, not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslims. There are plenty of examples, where supposed peaceful Muslims became radicalized and did horrible things.

Most mass shooters and serial killers are Americans, most of them are right wing
The only time I have seen/received actual death threats came from a American right winger military officer on this board
The odds of me dieing from an American kook is extremely higher then a Muslim terrorist, yet I know 99% of Americans and all the ones I've met are good folk
 
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z1ggy

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Instead of arguing about how terrible muslims are, are there actually any updates about this situation?

Does the "terrorist" have demands? Is he threatening people? I've read that some people have actually escaped/been let go.
 
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