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redzo

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40 watts is a big deal when power usage is about 150W, no matter what country you live in.
Check out european prices of both 1060 and rx480!
Only an insane religious fanboy zealot will choose a rx480 against a cheaper, faster and more power efficient 1060. Unfortunately for AMD, Europe prices are totally against them.
 

Headfoot

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Let's not throw stones, shall we. Why is it bad to want lower power consumption?

Yes, it might not add much to the power bill in developed countries, but what about those that live in developing countries where the average pay is $300 a month or less, like me.

Every single cent that I save is a plus for me. On top of that, it gets really hot in here, about 35 C in summer, and I have no AC in my house and my room is cramped with no windows. Cooling a lower power consuming card is easier for me and on top of that, less heat gets thrown out into my room.

Besides, can't someone simply like the idea of having a more efficient card?

I do understand that there are some people who simply mention "power efficiency" just so that they can defend their brand and maybe win the argument, but that's not true for every single person.

This is how these mentioned "hostilities" start in forums.

It's not "bad" per se. It's usually just a cover for the fact the buyer wants to buy nVidia for no other reason than they like nVidia without coming off as irrational -- today. Back in the 5870 days AMD fans used the same rationale to buy AMD when in reality they just preferred it.

40 watts is unnoticeable in every sense of the word except for very, very specific scenarios (e.g. low airlow, low profile HTPC case in a cabinet or the like). The argument here is exactly the mountain out of a molehill I'm talking about.
 
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redzo

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40 watts is unnoticeable in every sense of the word except for very, very specific scenarios (e.g. low airlow, low profile HTPC case in a cabinet or the like). The argument here is exactly the mountain out of a molehill I'm talking about.
No. You are dead wrong. The lower you get with maximum power usage, the more important a 40w figure becomes. This is not 40w less or higher than 250W. This is 150w. Go ahead and subtract 15-20w out of a i7 6800k. It's a big deal.
 

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40 watts is unnoticeable in every sense of the word except for very, very specific scenarios (e.g. low airlow, low profile HTPC case in a cabinet or the like). The argument here is exactly the mountain out of a molehill I'm talking about.

I'm not making a "mountain out of a molehill". I'm saying that it CAN be a factor for certain people for certain needs. I DO have low airflow in my room and case, and no AC. Didn't you read that part, or the part about low income, where every cent saved matters? Yes, it's probably not an issue for most, but that's not enough to dismiss it entirely.

Still, I don't just look at wattage alone. I weigh in all the factors and if price/performance is close enough, I go for lower consumption.

Again, I do agree that it's a tool in fanboys' arsenal, but it's not a made up thing only for trolling purposes.
 
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Batmeat

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Reading through this thread I've noticed that there are more than a few people peoples comments blaming the other side. IE Team Green vs Team Red. Fact of the matter of the is, who gives a flying you know what about the GPU anybody uses. They are one the bought it and have their own reasons for making the purchase to fulfill their need whether it be gaming, physics, crunching, mining, or simply for GPU accelerated software.

This thread makes me reminisce about the good ol' days of 3dfx... I want my voodoo 2 back.
 

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No. You are dead wrong. The lower you get with maximum power usage, the more important a 40w figure becomes. This is not 40w less or higher than 250W. This is 150w. Go ahead and subtract 15-20w out of a i7 6800k. It's a big deal.



I suggest you very carefully re-read his post. He's nailed it on the head. It wasn't until Nvidia's marketing department started making a big deal about power efficiency and noise that "enthusiasts" took notice.

I'm not going to sit here and listen to someone preaching how important 40 watts is when they're running a heavily overclocked CPU at 4.4GHz and a GTX 970/980/980 Ti -- sometimes in SLI. It's a bollocks argument, and those same people were happily running George Foreman GTX 480s despite the HD 5870's vastly superior perf/watt.

Likewise, I refuse to listen to someone claim that a RX 480 or Fury is the buyer's choice because Async Compute and Vulkan will save the day next year.

People ought to be more honest. Just admit you couldn't give 2 cents about power efficiency, and that you just like running GeForce cards, or that you simply like buying the underdog's product.
 
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No one really has the right to claim to know the motivation of someone else. Undoubtedly, there are nVidia fans who use power consumption as an argument to purchase nVidia cards. But that does not mean *everyone* who is concerned with power consumption is doing that. If some posters in this forum dont care about power consumption, that is certainly their right, but a little tolerance to others who feel differently would go a long way.

As I stated already, I just value efficiency. Has nothing to do with AMD vs nVidia.

Additionally, I have 2 computers, one with a 430 watt psu and one with a 460 watt psu. A gpu using an additional 40 watts for similar performance most certainly is a big deal if it means pushing power consumption to the ragged edge or having to replace a psu in order to use a less efficient card.
 

redzo

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I suggest you very carefully re-read his post. He's nailed it on the head. It wasn't until Nvidia's marketing department started making a big deal about power efficiency and noise that "enthusiasts" took notice.

I'm not going to sit here and listen to someone preaching how important 40 watts is when they're running a heavily overclocked CPU at 4.4GHz and a GTX 970/980/980 Ti -- sometimes in SLI. It's a bollocks argument, and those same people were happily running George Foreman GTX 480s despite the HD 5870's vastly superior perf/watt.

Likewise, I refuse to listen to someone claim that a RX 480 or Fury is the buyer's choice because Async Compute and Vulkan will save the day next year.

People ought to be more honest. Just admit you couldn't give 2 cents about power efficiency, and that you just like running GeForce cards, or that you simply like buying the underdog's product.
I totally get you but,

I don't have to re-read his post. There is nothing wrong with I have just said and your reply has nothing to do with it(fermi or radeon hd5xxx).
http://imgur.com/a/Kbqs7
 

bystander36

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Caveat emptor. You can use sevices like fakespot to help weed out the fake reviews on a site like Amazon. And you can weigh the legitimacy of vine reviews and the like, based on the reviewer's history. Afterall, they recieve free products in exchange for their "honest" opinions. The only fakespot service for the forums is experience and skepticism. And just as with e.g. vine reviewers, you can review their history to discern if they are able to remain objective, or succumb to the "bribes". Viral marketers in forums are similar to groups that infiltrate peaceful protests and try, with varying levels of success, to turn them violent. With similar end results, the authorities end up being forced to clean up the mess. With everyone suffering for it.

Brand fans are a different animal, and should not be taken seriously. Only other fanatics ( "marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion", what fan is short for, remember? ) get in rivalries that amount to shouting across the court at the other sides' bleachers.

Tech site reviews have become the equivalent of the political memes on facebook, that one "friend" spammed until you blocked them from your feed. They are so varied and plentiful, they can be used to support any position.

Allow me to give you a glimpse of what it is like for those of us that do not reside in the reality distortion field. And, have no horse in the race, either emotionally or financially. Sites like TPU that are spammed here, are of only moderate value. Their testing is supposed to reflect scientific experimental controls. But they end up with far too few variables to be useful for many gamers/consumers. While it is a negative, it is understandable. The amount of time and kit necessary to test with hardware and settings pertinent to a particular demographic would be as impractical for a site, as it is unprofitable. That is what we are for, more on that below.

The end result however, is that the bar graphs should not be troted out as some kind of definitive evidence, the way they always are. Why? Take the 470 review they just did. The controls to eliminate variables results in eliminating most the potential buyers hardware in the process. A $200 card is not going to end up in very many high end platforms like the test system. The CPUs, resolution, and necessary graphics settings to make a game an enjoyable playing experience are inevitably lost more oft than not. And a bunch of canned tests, are not gameplay and playability. While there are various issues with recording and playback of gameplay videos, they are very useful when accompanying a reviewer's game testing.

Why did I derail to testing methodology, when this is about hostility between members? Because the bar graphs are more useful as propaganda than useful advice for many prospective purchasers. A major contributor to why this forum is compared to P&N.

The member above that suggested we spend more time with user to user results and experiences, nailed it. Instead of a thread asking if you are buying a particular card/series or extolling the virtues of one over another based on the "memes"? We should be concentrating on asking owners of said graphics cards to share what hardware they paired it with, and what the optimal settings for any particular game are. The OP could keep track of data with help from other members, and produce lists with playable settings for various CPUs, clock speeds, etc. that a review site simply cannot provide. A potential buyer could peruse the lists, find a setup similar, and know what to expect from the card, in a much more real sense than a bar graph provides. Because that is why I joined tech forums, to provided user to user help and experiences. Not to shake pom poms, audition for "regional head of marketing", or vent my negative emotions.

In conclusion: And to use an analogy based on what was opined by another member in this thread - We need to blow away the smoke, build the fires ourselves, and stop relying on what amounts to, the smudge fires, review sites make, when we do it. Because what we all can most use, is what amount of effort is involved getting it started, and how much warmth and light is provided with minimal smoke. All the misinformation, disinformation, obfuscation, and pom pom shaking drama, could, IF WE CHOOSE, become background noise. Even the most prolific trolls would die of neglect, if we ignored them, instead of feeding them. It won't happen, but I can dream.

While I completely understand the unrealistic testing done, it's also completely unreliable to go off of forum posters experiences, as they don't typically have multiple setups to compare.

Hardocp has an decent change of methodology, though I hear they've become biased as of late. They'd do apples to apples comparisons, and they'd also test what they considered the best settings they could use and get a good experience from multiple cards and explain their experience. Unfortunately, they do not target performance that is important to me. I need high FPS, because like VR users, I experience motion sickness in non-VR (luckily it's no worse in 3D vision or VR).

It would definitely be nice to have sites that tested high end GPU's on high end CPU's, mid range GPU on mid range CPU's, etc, but unfortunately this is not done often (Tom's Hardware will do this some of the time at least).

Anyways, basically what I'm saying is a controlled environment is pretty important to reduce bias, but I would welcome some more added commentary on the experience differences too. Using forum users to decide what is a great card can only be used in addition to some impartial review.
 

USER8000

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40 watts is a big deal when power usage is about 150W, no matter what country you live in.
Check out european prices of both 1060 and rx480!
Only an insane religious fanboy zealot will choose a rx480 against a cheaper, faster and more power efficient 1060. Unfortunately for AMD, Europe prices are totally against them.

I live in the UK,and plenty of people bought a GTX460 over an HD6850 despite it consuming more power. Look at the power consumption difference:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4002/amd-radeon-hd-6850-overclocking-roundup-asus-xfx-msi/8

Oh,wait...and that is with OC HD6850 cards against a stock GTX460 and most of the latter were OC models with greater power consumption.

In the UK the cheapest RX480 8GB is like £215 and the cheapest GTX1060 is £230 too - so stop talking for the whole of Europe.

Plus,40W - you would need to be some person who games dozens a week for their entire life to make any difference. Even if you doubled the UK national average for cost per KWH,at 20 hours a week gaming(which is a lot for a person doing a full time job,especially with commuting and time out for social stuff,as it is not healthy to stay stuck in the house too long),I would be lucky to see even £15 extra a year(comes to around £11 to £12).

However,I do not spent 20 hours a week gaming for 52 weeks of the year - although if you did spend 50 hours a week gaming for all 52 weeks of the year,and like paying over the top for electricity then yeah,it would be a lot more dosh.

PS:

I had a GTX660TI and that was replaced by a stop-gap GTX960. Now I wish I had bought the R9 380 instead,despite it destroying the planet.

No one really has the right to claim to know the motivation of someone else. Undoubtedly, there are nVidia fans who use power consumption as an argument to purchase nVidia cards. But that does not mean *everyone* who is concerned with power consumption is doing that. If some posters in this forum dont care about power consumption, that is certainly their right, but a little tolerance to others who feel differently would go a long way.

As I stated already, I just value efficiency. Has nothing to do with AMD vs nVidia.

Additionally, I have 2 computers, one with a 430 watt psu and one with a 460 watt psu. A gpu using an additional 40 watts for similar performance most certainly is a big deal if it means pushing power consumption to the ragged edge or having to replace a psu in order to use a less efficient card.

Sorry, but Valve ran a Core i7 4770 and a Geforce Titan off a tiny group regulated small form factor Silverstone 450W unit fine.

PSU E-PEEN shows how much PSU marketing has distorted views of what PSU you actually need.

I ran a 8800GTS 512MB fine off a 400W/450W- the sub £200 cards will all run off a Corsair CX430W or XFX PRO 450W fine. You only have to look at the wall figures for these cards when running games.

IIRC,my Core i7 3770 and GTX960 is being run off a 450W unit -the same as the GTX660TI I had before.

I can at least understand those with prebuilt PCs from Dell and HP,but then some of them can do weird things like not actually have a PCI-E slot which can give 75W or even have PCI-E power connectors.

That is why the GTX750TI made the most sense and that is a £100 card too. I can fully understand somewhat not wanting to buy a new PSU.

It gets a bit rich though when people can all of a sudden spend £200+ and seem to have some sort of PSU which might explode now.

I would say buy a better PSU then.
 
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Headfoot

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No. You are dead wrong. The lower you get with maximum power usage, the more important a 40w figure becomes. This is not 40w less or higher than 250W. This is 150w. Go ahead and subtract 15-20w out of a i7 6800k. It's a big deal.

40 watts x 3 hours gaming a day, every day. This is generous as I highly doubt any sizable portion of people game that much on average over a 365 day period.

That is 120 watt hours a day e.g. .12 kwH per day. That is 43.8 kwH over a year. At the US average rate of 12c per kwH, that is $5.25 yearly cost.

$5.25 is a big deal? No. It isn't. If you're worried about $5.25 then stop buying $250+ graphics cards.

I refuse to believe you actually think $5.25 is a "big deal." Much more likely you are using efficiency as some sort of emotional stand-in for quality (even though graphics cards can be easily quantified exactly how good they are at their main task - which is rendering frames) or even just using it as a smoke screen so you can buy products that you prefer to buy for reasons not based in logical analysis of the performance data (e.g. emotional buying -- "buying power efficient products makes me feel good").
 
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Headfoot

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I suggest you very carefully re-read his post. He's nailed it on the head. It wasn't until Nvidia's marketing department started making a big deal about power efficiency and noise that "enthusiasts" took notice.

I'm not going to sit here and listen to someone preaching how important 40 watts is when they're running a heavily overclocked CPU at 4.4GHz and a GTX 970/980/980 Ti -- sometimes in SLI. It's a bollocks argument, and those same people were happily running George Foreman GTX 480s despite the HD 5870's vastly superior perf/watt.

Likewise, I refuse to listen to someone claim that a RX 480 or Fury is the buyer's choice because Async Compute and Vulkan will save the day next year.

People ought to be more honest. Just admit you couldn't give 2 cents about power efficiency, and that you just like running GeForce cards, or that you simply like buying the underdog's product.

Thank you, I couldnt agree more.
 

Markfw

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Power usage... Maybe my situation is a little different than others, but if they also do DC, a card that uses 30-50% more power IS a big deal, especially in the summer. My electric bill is $300-400 per month, and if I used even 30% more power (x 2 for the A/C) that would be about $180 per MONTH more. Thats with 2 980TI's, and 3 980's, and one 290(AMD). I shut off the 290 and one 980, and it dropped the electric $80 a month !

Edit: I used kill-a-watt on my dual 5639's@3 ghz (atm) with 2x980's, and an Antec 1200 (one of the most efficient PSU's out there) and it draws 750 watts from the wall, 24/7/365.
 
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Power usage... Maybe my situation is a little different than others, but if they also do DC, a card that uses 30-50% more power IS a big deal, especially in the summer. My electric bill is $300-400 per month, and if I used even 30% more power (x 2 for the A/C) that would be about $180 per MONTH more. Thats with 2 980TI's, and 3 980's, and one 290(AMD). I shut off the 290 and one 980, and it dropped the electric $80 a month !

Yep, I'm right there with you. I DC with my machines so power usage is a big deal. Not just from an electric bill POV, but from a heat generation POV as well. The lower the wattage for a given performance range the happier I am when I'm sitting in my office.
 

Headfoot

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Power usage... Maybe my situation is a little different than others, but if they also do DC, a card that uses 30-50% more power IS a big deal, especially in the summer. My electric bill is $300-400 per month, and if I used even 30% more power (x 2 for the A/C) that would be about $180 per MONTH more. Thats with 2 980TI's, and 3 980's, and one 290(AMD). I shut off the 290 and one 980, and it dropped the electric $80 a month !

Edit: I used kill-a-watt on my dual 5639's@3 ghz (atm) with 2x980's, and an Antec 1200 (one of the most efficient PSU's out there) and it draws 750 watts from the wall, 24/7/365.

Folks like you - running dual socket motherboards with a half dozen of the fastest graphics cards all running at the same time -- fall into the category I mentioned of "very specific situations."

The most common specific scenario in which it is rational to care about power use is if you're doing distributed computing / coin mining or other data center tasks. And you must certainly understand that the overwhelming majority of people, even including posters on this forum, don't have a situation like yours. There are certainly more miners and distributed computing people on this forum than in the world at large.

At the same time though, no one is making you do distributed computing. If you care about the power use you can do exactly what you already did -- stop doing it.
 

USER8000

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Power usage... Maybe my situation is a little different than others, but if they also do DC, a card that uses 30-50% more power IS a big deal, especially in the summer. My electric bill is $300-400 per month, and if I used even 30% more power (x 2 for the A/C) that would be about $180 per MONTH more. Thats with 2 980TI's, and 3 980's, and one 290(AMD). I shut off the 290 and one 980, and it dropped the electric $80 a month !

Most of the people talking about it are gamers - and the issue is I don't know any PC gamer who spends dozens of hours a week for 52 weeks gaming 24/7.

If they do it is probably either wealthy people who have a lot of money,who could not care about power consumption,or somebody who does not have a lot of money since they are on benefits,or only work part-time. But the issue is the people I know in that latter situation tend to buy a console and keep it for years and probably have some old PC or have a cheap laptop. They would baulk at spending £200 to £300 on a GRAPHICS CARD,let alone the hundreds of additional pounds you would need for the rest of the rig. £100,maybe - £200 to £300,nope in most cases I suspect,hence why they buy a console instead.

Edit to post!!

Even if you were in that latter situation where you were spending £100s on new computer hardware a year,if another £1 a month(or less) were to brake the bank,the maybe spending £200 to £300,on a new card would be the least of your worries IMHO.

Better to buy a console,considering an Xbox one or Xbox one S might be a better idea,as it sips power:

Eurogamer.net said:
Power/Acoustics Xbox One S Power Xbox One Power Xbox One S Noise Xbox One Noise
Project Cars (Disc) 79W 109W 47dB 44dB
Tomb Raider (Digital) 74W 108W 45dB 42dB
Blu-ray Playback 37W 61W 47dB 43dB
UHD Blu-ray Playback 44W - 49dB
 
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HiroThreading

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I totally get you but,

I don't have to re-read his post. There is nothing wrong with I have just said and your reply has nothing to do with it(fermi or radeon hd5xxx).
http://imgur.com/a/Kbqs7

The point that Headfoot and I are making is that fanboys from either side -- not just Nvidia -- hide behind marketing fads in order to avoid admitting their brand preference.

Currently, in the GPU space, the current fads are: power efficiency, noise and DX12/Async compute. Nvidia fans refuse to recommend the Polaris line (or any GCN GPU) because of their power consumption characteristics. Really, they ought to be honest and just say "I don't like GCN GPUs because I like running Nvidia hardware."
Likewise, AMD fanboys refuse to recommend Pascal or Maxwell stating that it's because DX12/Async compute will render those GPUs obsolete. Again, they ought to just be honest, save everyone's time and just say "I don't recommend Nvidia GPUs because I like AMD."

A couple generations ago (Hawaii vs Kepler), Nvidia fans claimed that the R9 290X was a horrible card because of its noisy fan. Yet, as I stated before, many of them had no issues with the flamethrower GTX 480 (or the entire Fermi lineup), claiming Fermi's superior compute abilities (CUDA) more than made up for its power consumption -- sound familiar?

In the CPU space, AMD fans used to deride the Core 2 Quad (Kentsfield/Yorkfield) because they weren't "true quad-cores" -- a PR facade that AMD's marketing department spun up when it was revealed that Barcelona's performance was subpar in comparison to the Intel "fake quads". Before that, AMD fans claimed that Conroe was an inferior architecture because it was still using a Front Side Bus and off-die memory controller...

Honestly, I've seen it all. Today it's power efficiency, tomorrow it might be FP64 performance or PCB size -- who knows.

My point is: fans from both sides ought to drop the PR garbage and just openly admit their preferences.
 

master_shake_

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here's some honesty.
i bought SLI 980's.
i wish at the time i would have bought crossfire 290x's.
mining caused the price of the 290x's to go sky high.
980's new were less than msrp.
what was i to do?
i absolutely hate that a 290x with 2x the memory and a small clock bump is equal to them at 2560x1440.

especially when i bought them, the 290x lost to the 780ti.
 

ElFenix

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Power usage... Maybe my situation is a little different than others, but if they also do DC, a card that uses 30-50% more power IS a big deal, especially in the summer. My electric bill is $300-400 per month, and if I used even 30% more power (x 2 for the A/C) that would be about $180 per MONTH more. Thats with 2 980TI's, and 3 980's, and one 290(AMD). I shut off the 290 and one 980, and it dropped the electric $80 a month !

Edit: I used kill-a-watt on my dual 5639's@3 ghz (atm) with 2x980's, and an Antec 1200 (one of the most efficient PSU's out there) and it draws 750 watts from the wall, 24/7/365.
if your AC is using 1 watt to move 1 watt of heat then your AC is ridiculously inefficient. that's basically an EER of 3.4.
 

Lepton87

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The point that Headfoot and I are making is that fanboys from either side -- not just Nvidia -- hide behind marketing fads in order to avoid admitting their brand preference.

Likewise, AMD fanboys refuse to recommend Pascal or Maxwell stating that it's because DX12/Async compute will render those GPUs obsolete. Again, they ought to just be honest, save everyone's time and just say "I don't recommend Nvidia GPUs because I like AMD."
Generally I agree with your points with one exception - I had the original Titan, two in fact in SLI and the concern that something won't perform up to expectation in the future is a valid one. So I think the prediction that NV cards will falter in DX12 is a valid concern. My original Titans are simply unusable in many games like the witcher 3, it shouldn't have happened. It really sucks when your uber-expensive ultra high-end card that you bought not that long ago is having its ass handed by a mid-range competition. Hell, even 7970 is sometimes faster the the Titan. This is simply unacceptable. And yet I was stupid enough to once again buy an NV card. As an owner of the 980Ti I'm really apprehensive about its future usefulness. I'm afraid I won't even get performance improvements in new drivers that Pascal will get and Maxwell could have gotten but didn't.
 
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ShintaiDK

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AMD Influencer program, AMD Advocacy program etc didn't help.





Trolling again. Its still not allowed.


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Power usage... Maybe my situation is a little different than others, but if they also do DC, a card that uses 30-50% more power IS a big deal, especially in the summer. My electric bill is $300-400 per month, and if I used even 30% more power (x 2 for the A/C) that would be about $180 per MONTH more. Thats with 2 980TI's, and 3 980's, and one 290(AMD). I shut off the 290 and one 980, and it dropped the electric $80 a month !

Edit: I used kill-a-watt on my dual 5639's@3 ghz (atm) with 2x980's, and an Antec 1200 (one of the most efficient PSU's out there) and it draws 750 watts from the wall, 24/7/365.
how many hours do you play games that it actually costs 40$ just from 1 single card? are you retired? as someone pointed out in another thread, what about the heating bill you save during winter 6 gpus spread out in your house would probably meet all your heating needs
 

Markfw

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The heating saves me $15 a month, but the AC costs me hundreds. Its the DC that makes all the heat (Distributed computing) which for me is trying to cure cancer. And yes, I play games about 6 hours a day, and I am retired.
 

dark zero

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I have 2 laptops with an ATI GPU (5XXX Model) and nVIDIA GPU (GT 740M) and sadly when 1 year ago I sawe the GT 740 heavily outperform the ATI card, now I see that there are not massive differences between them in the latests games, so I decided to go retro or use lowest seettings while I save for a decent desktop or laptop.

PS: Mark, one question, and how about the mobile GPUs like Adreno, Mali or Power VR? In which topic we might talk about those iGPUs since they are getting more and more relevance in the latests years?
 
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