HOT! Dell 2001FP 20.1" LCD w/16ms Response for $689.20 Shipped, 8/25

[abaez]

$746 shipped to CA.. tax so kills the deal

 

[bbkat]

Originally posted by: gshock888

Originally posted by: DaCurryman
I'm wondering what the best deal is between the 17, 18, and 19" UltraSharp LCDs...

17" for $369.20
18" for $465.20
19" for $513.20

Don't know what to do....

with the 20" nearing 700 bucks,

the best bang for the buck seems to be 19"

17"->18" ~$100 difference
19"->20" ~$180 difference
18"->19" ~$50 difference

I'm debating 19" v. 20" too. Is size the only difference?

 

[ActuaryTm]

Originally posted by: bbkat
I'm debating 19" v. 20" too. Is size the only difference?

Native resolution as well (for those new to the LCD market, this is actually an important feature).

1901FP: 1280x1024
2001FP: 1600x1200

 

[Anonemous]

Originally posted by: bbkat
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I'm debating 19" v. 20" too. Is size the only difference?

The 19" is 25ms I believe while the 20" is 16ms. Google 1901fp and response time and you get 25ms.

So it's a tough call. My eyes are happy with 25ms, if you see ghosting go with the 2001fp.

 

[DaCurryman]

Does the differene in response time really matter if I'm not playing games. Video clips and Movies ... yes, but not games.

 

[DaCurryman]

I also heard that DVI is limited to 60Hz...is that true and what implications does that have?

Help is appreciated as I'd like to jump on this deal.

 

[toneman]

Originally posted by: superHARD
Darn...yesterday I bought this same monitor from the SB site for $719.00 plus tax and I thought that was a good deal

Man, me too! At least my monitor arrived the very next day after I placed the order; I effectively got next day delivery for free--can't complain about that!

 

[RossMAN]

Originally posted by: ActuaryTm

Originally posted by: bbkat
I'm debating 19" v. 20" too. Is size the only difference?

Native resolution as well (for those new to the LCD market, this is actually an important feature).

1901FP: 1280x1024
2001FP: 1600x1200

Since I really value your opinion and cannot PM, I might as well ask you here

Our current 1900FP has a resolution of 1280x1024 using analog (too lazy to slap in our Ti4200) which I think is PERFECT. I don't have perfect eagle eye vision. My Compaq Presario 1500T's has a 15.0" SXGA (1400x1050) which I also find to be PERFECT. I just hope that when I plug in the 2001FP the text isn't going to be too small? Am I being paranoid or do I have something to worry about?

If I have time I might visit BB or CC check out their Samsung 20" LCDs with 1600x1200 and see for myself. If the consensus is 1600x1200 would be too small I might cancel the order and order the 1901FP instead.

What do you guys think about 1280x1024 vs 1600x1200?

 

[iamWolverine]

thanks you guys, been waiting to jump on a deal for this monitor . . .

 

[curtyv]

Originally posted by: RossMAN

Since I really value your opinion and cannot PM, I might as well ask you here

Our current 1900FP has a resolution of 1280x1024 using analog (too lazy to slap in our Ti4200) which I think is PERFECT. I don't have perfect eagle eye vision. My Compaq Presario 1500T's has a 15.0" SXGA (1400x1050) which I also find to be PERFECT. I just hope that when I plug in the 2001FP the text isn't going to be too small? Am I being paranoid or do I have something to worry about?

If I have time I might visit BB or CC check out their Samsung 20" LCDs with 1600x1200 and see for myself. If the consensus is 1600x1200 would be too small I might cancel the order and order the 1901FP instead.

What do you guys think about 1280x1024 vs 1600x1200?

Once you get used to 1600x1200 it's hard to go back, especially if you appreciate the benefit of extra desktop "real estate" like myself.

I've been using the 2001FP analog (d-sub/vga) input at this resolution for about a month now and I love it. However, the small fonts took a little getting used to at first. But for the most part, it doesn't involve too much squinting or leaning in (keep in mind, the 20" display is HUGE.)

I know someone else asked about the gaming potential of this monitor too. Since I have an older GeForce2 video card, I usually run games at around 1024x768 and the display still looks beautiful.

In short, I bought it for the size. I keep it for the solid performance!

:sun:

 

[ActuaryTm]

Originally posted by: RossMAN
Since I really value your opinion and cannot PM, I might as well ask you here

Our current 1900FP has a resolution of 1280x1024 using analog (too lazy to slap in our Ti4200) which I think is PERFECT. I don't have perfect eagle eye vision. My Compaq Presario 1500T's has a 15.0" SXGA (1400x1050) which I also find to be PERFECT. I just hope that when I plug in the 2001FP the text isn't going to be too small? Am I being paranoid or do I have something to worry about?

If I have time I might visit BB or CC check out their Samsung 20" LCDs with 1600x1200 and see for myself. If the consensus is 1600x1200 would be too small I might cancel the order and order the 1901FP instead.

What do you guys think about 1280x1024 vs 1600x1200?

On a 20.1" screen, 1600x1200 is not all that small at all (remember though, I use 1600x1200 on a 16" notebook screen). However, even if for some reason one do not love the vast desktop real estate and find the fonts too small, one can:

(a) Increase the screen font size, and still retain the same desktop area (rather easy to do)
(b) Reduce the resolution to 1280x1024 (or some other variant as well)

A number of colleagues and clients have either the 1901FP or the 2001FP, as at these prices it is difficult for them to pass up. Having experience with both, I can say the 2001FP scales down very well, as do the newer 1901FPs as well (have a client who insists on running her 1901FP at 1024x768).

The key in mentioning the resolution is I have found when users purchase a 19" LCD and run at the native resolution (typically 1280x1024), they suddenly realize the screen area is larger than a typical 19" CRT and desire more in the way of resolution (for instance, 1600x1200), which unfortunately one cannot do as the native resolution is maximum resolution an LCD can display.

Both the Samsung or the popular Sony model of the 20" displays (as long as they are actually set to UXGA) at any electronics retailer should give you a good idea of what to expect. Will say this: have personally found that once one moves to a higher resolution, going back is difficult. No certain if that is a good or bad thing, however.

Good luck, Ross. Let us know what you decide.



Edit: Was typing/dealing with client call (again) during curtyv's response, and would generally echo those same sentiments.

 

[Apex]

Yeah, I hate living in CA during these times.

 

[RossMAN]

Originally posted by: Apex
Yeah, I hate living in CA during these times.

Oregon 0% sales tax but our weather sucks and we get taxed elsewhere (income, property and county)

 

[RossMAN]

It sounds like initially the text/fonts will appear small but I'll get used to it.

 

[DaCurryman]

Any help with my questions:

Does the differene in response time really matter if I'm not playing games. Video clips and Movies ... yes, but not games.

I also heard that DVI is limited to 60Hz...is that true and what implications does that have?

Help is appreciated as I'd like to jump on this deal.

 

[airjrdn]

Yes, you will notice "ghosting" in faster paced movies just like you would games. Most generally it will be seen with drastic color changes (light to dark and vice versa).

 

[Anonemous]

Originally posted by: DaCurryman
Any help with my questions:

Does the differene in response time really matter if I'm not playing games. Video clips and Movies ... yes, but not games.

I also heard that DVI is limited to 60Hz...is that true and what implications does that have?

Help is appreciated as I'd like to jump on this deal.

I dunno where you heard it's limited to 60hz. Maybe on some models it's limited to 60 while others like mine (benq951) it can go up to 75Hz. The refresh rate on LCDs are pretty good. 60HZ you probably won't see much flickering since LCD's are not like CRT's in terms of refresh rates.

In movies just like in games if the response rate is low (below 30ms, even though I've seen tv lcds with 30ms) you shouldn't see much ghosting. At 25 ms I didn't notice any ghosting while playing ut2k4 so it also depends on your eyes. If your eyes can detect it then get a faster reponse rate.

 

[Anonemous]

Originally posted by: RossMAN
It sounds like initially the text/fonts will appear small but I'll get used to it.

Just use larger dpi font and you won't notice much difference. And turn on cleartype font, man that makes text so much better (gets rid of the sharp pixelation around text/icons).

 

[ActuaryTm]

Originally posted by: DaCurryman
I also heard that DVI is limited to 60Hz...is that true and what implications does that have?

Help is appreciated as I'd like to jump on this deal.

Much better than my paltry vocabulary could muster an explanation:


"What is Refresh Rate?

Refresh rate is expressed in Hertz (Hz). In interlaced mode this is number of fields written to the screen very second. In non- interlaced mode it is the number of frame (complete pictures) written to the screen every second.

Typical color displays use a low-persistence phosphor that must be refreshed 60 or more times per second, i.e. at a frequency of 60 to 70Hz. Generally the faster the vertical scanning frequency, the less the perceived flicker and flickering screens which leads to less straining of the eyes.

Does refresh rate matter for LCD monitors?

LCD monitors are very different creatures from conventional CRT monitors. They are digital devices whereas CRT monitors are analog. Refresh rates are really only relevant for CRT monitors. The higher the refresh rate, the better the display quality on the CRT.

LCD monitors will support a specified range of refresh rates. As long as the refresh rate is set within this range, the monitor will display properly. Otherwise, the display may flicker. With LCD monitors,a higher refresh rate does not mean a better display."


On a personal note, the 16" UXGA display on my notebook workhorse has a refresh of 60Hz, and has absolutely no flicker whatsoever.

 

[Venomous]

Wait until end of Sept when the sucker drops another $100! I got 2 2001FPs as is but they are going to get lower in price

 

[DaCurryman]

I chickened out in the end from the 2001fp....I ended up getting the 1901fp.

Also for those of you that havent purchased it yet, you can save another 2% by paying with a Dell Preferred Account.

Basically go through checkout choosing a single credit card as the payment type and then you should see an banner/link/option to use your current Preferred Account or to open a new account to get the 2% off right away.

Hopefully none of this cancels the 4% Fatcash as well.

 

[toneman]

I thought I read somewhere in the Dell documentation that at 1600x1200 the [max] refresh rate for the 2001fp is (fixed at?) 60 Hz; I was wondering about that 'cuz even though the Radeon 9800Pro can do 120 Hz at 1600x1200, I could not "force" the 2001fp to do anything higher than 60 Hz at 1600x1200 via the ATI display settings.

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: toneman
I thought I read somewhere in the Dell documentation that at 1600x1200 the [max] refresh rate for the 2001fp is (fixed at?) 60 Hz; I was wondering about that 'cuz even though the Radeon 9800Pro can do 120 Hz at 1600x1200, I could not "force" the 2001fp to do anything higher than 60 Hz at 1600x1200 via the ATI display settings.

The 9800 cannot do 1600x1200 at 120hz through DVI, only through VGA. You'll definitely want to use DVI with your card.

LCD's have an ideal refresh rate, which is right about 60hz for most.

 

[patrick409]

damn, just picked up the 2001fp. Gonna run a dual display with my laptop. Now I have to figure out where to put the sucker..

 

[Passions]

Originally posted by: toneman
I thought I read somewhere in the Dell documentation that at 1600x1200 the [max] refresh rate for the 2001fp is (fixed at?) 60 Hz; I was wondering about that 'cuz even though the Radeon 9800Pro can do 120 Hz at 1600x1200, I could not "force" the 2001fp to do anything higher than 60 Hz at 1600x1200 via the ATI display settings.

LCD refresh rate is not the same as a CRT refresh rate. LCD's ideal is at 60hz.