HOT..."half-price" Cadillac STS

[FSUpaintball]

Har Har Har - post number 100!!!


Coincidentally, that's probably the average age of Cadillac owners

 

[dpid]

bentley is owned by VW and RR will be passed onto BMW this year.
But it was always a fact that an RR and i believe Bentley's both used BMW engines.
so i guess money is saved if you just buy a BMW instead of a RR or Bentley




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<< Well if you donot want the above cheap junk(kidding), get a Volvo, Bentley, RR or Audi. >>



Actually Volvo is owned by ford but i don't beleive they part share yet
Audi is volkwagen just $10,000 more
Some (edit i menat to say land rovers) are fords just $10,000 more
Bently and RR do not share parts with their owners but the cost $200,000.00 more and are extreme luxo (for the elites to say i got bux) they are both owned by volkswagen or is one of them now owned by BMW (can't remember)

And actaually benzo's are starting to share parts with chrysler (even though they said they never would)

I feel part sharing is one thing but selling a toyota (edit i meant to say camry sorry) as a lexus es300 and adding $10,000.00 to the price is just wrong as are the idiots who pay it! >>

 

[gunf1ghter]

ya, but converting that M3 for offroad use is so time-consuming!

 

[Allen7]

Yeah, get a Caddy if you want to date the service manager

Have you ever heard someone brag about their "trouble-free Caddy"?

I have friends and relatives that drives Acura's, never had major breakdowns besides regular maintenance. In contrast, friends who owns Caddies (not many, 2 to be exact), now only use it as second car. Why?? Cost too much to drive them:

1. V8 has more power but uses more gas
2. Acura RL is swift on the road not to mention more efficient.
3. Caddies breaks down at no reason. Let it be radiator, transmission, motor, electrical and door seal, you name it, the Caddy has been in the shop for it.
4. Lack of interest in used car market (regional, in S. Cal., you hardly see any Caddies) = high depreciation. You can take your Kelly's blue book and go to a used car dealer in S. Cal., they will pay you 10~20% below blue book value for a Acura but won't even offer anything for a Caddy, more like "thanks but no thanks" and laugh as they walk away. So they had to keep them because "NO BODY WANT IT"

 

[FrustratedUser]

<< someone turn on the heater, It's cold in here!

And yes a acura is a honda just $10,000 more
As is a Lexus is a Toyota just $10,000 more
and an Infinity is a nissan just $10,000 more
and jaguar is a ford just $10,000 more
and lincoln is a ford just $10,000 more
some caddy's a chevy just $10,000 more
I think you get da point

If you want a luxo get a benz, BMW, and some caddy's >>



True to some extent but really, jaguar is not a ford. Jaguar is OWNED by ford. Show me a Ford S-type.
Show me a Lexus Corolla.....

 

[LittleWolf]

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<< someone turn on the heater, It's cold in here!

If you want a luxo get a benz, BMW, and some caddy's >>



True to some extent but really, jaguar is not a ford. Jaguar is OWNED by ford. Show me a Ford S-type.
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Wrong. The S-type Jag is based on the Ford/Lincoln LS, down to most components, chassis etc. Engines in the Jag are just massaged versions of the Ford.
Similarly the new Jag X-type is basically the Ford Mondeo (and hence is quite crappy).

And oh yes, Benz is gonna be sharing with Chrysler quite soon, plans already in pipeline.


-j

 

[GoodRevrnd]

<< Caddys are unique lines of GM by themselves, maybe a strecth if you include the oldmobile aurora, they only share a derivative of the northstar, but then it is also a similiar engine in the corvette >>



GMC Yukon Denali predates Escalade (which they tuned .001% better for 5 more horsepower just for bragging rights isgust and then Cadillac has that Hybrid SUV/pickup thing like Chevy (which is really lame as a caddy), but other than that Cadillac is the most unique GM line. Except for maybe Saturn...

 

[DurocShark]

<< Anyway, it seems nothing lasts as long as an 80's Mercedes 300SD S-class turbo diesel. >>



No kidding... I've got a buddy who owns nothing but Mercs, and makes his kids drive Mercs too... Was just talking to him. 300+k on his 84 300sd diesel.

I'm a eurocar fan. Always have been. Once you drive a nice Saab you'll wonder what the Japanese mfgrs were thinking. LoL

My dream car is a 2002 Saab 9-3 Turbo Convertable with the SPG (or whatever they're calling it now) package. $47k. Sigh.

I'm driving an 84 Volvo GL right now, and my wife drives my old 96 S-10 extended cab. Both have loads of miles on 'em and run great. (The volvo has 208k, the truck has 130k.)

 

[DurocShark]

<< How much can I get on ebay for my Yugo? >>



Shoot, I'll give ya $10. I wanna turn it into a fish tank!!!

Seriously!

 

[FrankRizzo]

Wrong. The S-type Jag is based on the Ford/Lincoln LS, down to most components, chassis etc. Engines in the Jag are just massaged versions of the Ford.

Actually the Jaguar S-type and the Lincoln LS were co-developed by teams from both Jaguar and Ford. One isn't really a re-badge of another so much as they were designed concurrently from a clean sheet to bring both marques into new markets. The development work took place in both Detroit and the UK. These vehicles certainly share many components however you'd be hard pressed to notice. The V6 is based on a Ford design while the V8 is a Jaguar design first used in the XK8 - in either case the Jaguar version develops slightly more power. The platform has also been used for the latest incarnation of the Thunderbird and soon the Mustang.

I agree that the X-type is a disappointment.

more info

 

[Allen7]

bentley is owned by VW and RR will be passed onto BMW this year.

TRUE

But it was always a fact that an RR and i believe Bentley's both used BMW engines.

No really. Only in 1998 Bentley used BMW motor in Arnage, 1999 they went back to the old RR motor, modify it to meet current emission standard and added a T4 blower called Red Label Arnage. In 2002 Bentley use the same RR motor but replaced the single T4 blower with two small T3 blower to create Arnage T.

so i guess money is saved if you just buy a BMW instead of a RR or Bentley

You are not even close. There are completely different animals.

 

[MrEnigma]

As far as the jag s-type goes...it's not the lincoln LS...that's shared by the LS and the new thunderbird.

Most vehicles cross platforms a ton. Even between brands that aren't even owned totally by other companies. Their is a new toyota and the new pontiac vibe taht will be using the same platform.

Also, BMW makes engines for a variety of different companies. The McLaren F1 has a bmw engine in it...there are a lot of companies who will buy them if they just want to design the car...

 

[Bob61]

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<< Anyway, it seems nothing lasts as long as an 80's Mercedes 300SD S-class turbo diesel. >>



No kidding... I've got a buddy who owns nothing but Mercs, and makes his kids drive Mercs too... Was just talking to him. 300+k on his 84 300sd diesel.
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Who wants to keep a car for 20 years and 300K miles? I get tired of a car in a couple of years... I need to have a new car every other year or so...

 

[gunf1ghter]

Whether you keep it or not it's great that it's reliable enough for someone to get use out of it for 20 years!

 

[soltrain]

Damn, my friend has an older STS and took me for a ride today.
These things are hella-fast! There's torque like there's no tommorow! Also you have instant power, its like the chip has been switched, but it's stock.

Wow.

 

[ZimZum]

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And oh yes, Benz is gonna be sharing with Chrysler quite soon, plans already in pipeline.


-j >>


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

 

[HKS]

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<< You want to spend extra money, just for the prestige, get a BMW, or Benz, not that they are any better the Jap cars >>



Wow, you've never driven a BMW have you? >>



I have... BMW engineering is excellent, however the cost of repair on them is ridiculous. I would never buy a BMW because serviceability on them is such a biznatch!

Not to mention, they try to charge you $100 for their "oil-change" and "100-point inspection". Has anyone ever seen their list of what they're checkiing? It's hilarious! "Hmm... check exhaust and exhaust manifold... Still there! Check!" Hahaha...

 

[HKS]

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<< Anyway, it seems nothing lasts as long as an 80's Mercedes 300SD S-class turbo diesel. >>



No kidding... I've got a buddy who owns nothing but Mercs, and makes his kids drive Mercs too... Was just talking to him. 300+k on his 84 300sd diesel.
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Not really a fair comparison though... because diesel engines are always more reliable than naturally aspirated gasoline engines. Hell, I have one friend who owns a diesel truck with over a million miles!

 

[HKS]

<< Sorry but for the same money I will take a Conv. Z28. But this is the last year of the F-Bodies, of course will make it a better classic car later. >>



Is there a Corvette Z28? I thought there was only the LS1 and the Z06.... Anyone see car and driver's post regarding the new Z06, Porsche Boxster, and new M3 BMW? The Corvette definitively beat out the other two cars in every performance test... but at the end of the article, all of the writers wrote that the winner was the M3. It was hilarious! They said something like, the Corvette will win on the track, but the cheap interior pales to the luxurious feel (and probably prestige) of the M3. Funny how appearance sells cars more than powertrain apparently.

 

[gunf1ghter]

HKS,

The high cost of BMW repair is actually something of a myth. In all of those "cost of ownership" surveys which look at how much it costs to operate a vehicle over a 75,000 mile run the BMW 3 and 5 series don't cost more to own than upscale domestic marquees (Lincoln, Cadillac, etc).

BMW also includes full included maintenance for the first 3 years or 36,000 miles... after that it's up to you if you want to continue to use the dealer for things like oil changes.

I haven't driven the newest model M3, but I have driven the predecesser and it's an absolutely amazing car. Since most of us aren't buying cars like this to race on the track, the fact that a Vette might lap the track 2/10 of a second faster is really not a concern to me.

A car that can give you blistering performance, AND a completely higher level of refinement is probably worth the nod. I guess many car reviewers agree with that asessment.

 

[OJ]

I have a friend that life has treated well and he has a Lot of money.
He buys and drives many different expensive cars, after trying many cars he always comes back to Mercedes.

To quote him, "BMW= break my wallet"

 

[GnatGoSplat]

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<< Anyway, it seems nothing lasts as long as an 80's Mercedes 300SD S-class turbo diesel. >>



No kidding... I've got a buddy who owns nothing but Mercs, and makes his kids drive Mercs too... Was just talking to him. 300+k on his 84 300sd diesel.
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Who wants to keep a car for 20 years and 300K miles? I get tired of a car in a couple of years... I need to have a new car every other year or so... >>



Not me. If a car has enough unique and cool toys to get attached to, I get attached to it like most people do with their spouses. I've had my daily driver 8-years and it still feels new to me, so maybe I'm more attached to it than many people are to their spouses, as many marriages don't even last that long. Electronics on the other hand, are a different story. I change digital cameras and PDA's every 3-months. Motherboards get switched every year. I get tired of houses faster than that too, I'm already looking to move since I've been in this house almost 2-years.

You gotta be a die-hard car guy to get attached to a vehicle. We're the kind of guys that still wash, wax, and vacuum our cars every weekend and worry about door dings even though the car has become old (but still in great shape, of course).

 

[straubs]

<< Yeah, get a Caddy if you want to date the service manager

Have you ever heard someone brag about their "trouble-free Caddy"? >>





Maybe you should read the whole thread before you post this. Specifically what Cfour said... Doh!

 

[Solokron]

I disagree. Yes, BMWS are expensive to repair when they have problems. Because the engineering is quite remarkable as you stated, they rarely do have problems. I would rather pay 1K to fix one problem in one sitting than 300 in three sittings with a lower class car. I have never had problems with mine nor have friends. I would never go back to an Acura or Dodge but of course this is simply based on my experiences and friends.

 

[MowSow]

Wow, you've never driven a BMW have you?

I am not comparing a BMW to a honda civic or integra ... I am comparing it to an equivalent, or rather superior machine in both performance and handling, my stage 5 300ZX twin turbo with 350 rwhp and 388 ft/lb, 4 wheels' steering and dual suspension will make any BMW including the new M3 eat my dust.
(before anyone asks 350 rwhp=437.5hp at the crank shaft... all that with stock turbos .. you can easily get to 500-600hp with bigger turbos without even touching the engine internals)