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ChiefBrody

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Originally posted by: OsSpengler
Ok, to fend off the critics:

First: you can't put a price on quality. Much of the "inexpensive" clothing on the market (Gap, Polo etc.) is made in south-east Asian sweatshops by child labor. These clothes are completely machine made; of poor fabric; and of inferior construction. They are made for an American market, meaning they are generally two sizes too large, and they have the fit of a paper-bag.

Contrast that with an Italian-made Brioni shirt: hand-sewn, single needlepoint stitching, soft luxurious fabrics, mother-of-pearl buttons, and a form-fitting shape.

Second: price is all relative. I'm amazed that you find these prices so excessive: I have a colleague who spends upwards of $8,000 on bespoke (custom-made) Kiton suits. That I find a tad excessive.

Third: I probably have a NYC-centric view of the fashion world. But so it goes.

edit: Fourth: yes, I agree with the above poster that you're paying for an "eliteness" to an extent. But that is fashion. I'm willing to pay a bit more to wear the cutting edge in the sartorial world. There is an element of exclusivity to fashion; after all, it's not fashionable if everyone else in the world is wearing it. For example, a Gucci sweater may cost $1,800 at the flagship NYC store. This sweater perhaps cost them $50 to make. However, you're buying a position as one of the most fashion-conscious people in the world. Now, I don't buy Gucci because I think it's a rip off, and I think it means "fashion-victim" personified. But brands like Canali, Brioni, Kiton, etc.--all of these brands justify their prices with the quality of their craftsmanship.

Maybe these rules don't apply online, but you're often what you wear.

That has got to be the gayest bunch of nonsense babble I have ever heard. Bill Gates wears inexpensive clothes, as does thousands of other billionaires, actors and other succesful people. You aren't what you wear, you are what you accomplish in life. You are what you contribute, and you are what you are. If you think you are what you wear, maybe it's time to crawl out of your shallow pit and look at reality. My mother works at Neiman Marcus. You wouldn't believe all the wanna bees coming in there, all snotty, trying to act rich. Then leaving in their 89 pickups. If they are what they wear, then they are a bunch of fakes!

You think Polo is cheap, and $8000 for a suit is a TAD expensive. What planet are you living on? I second the other poster's sentiments. You make me sick.
 

MarthaLynn

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They are made for an American market, meaning they are generally two sizes too large, and they have the fit of a paper-bag.
This confuses me greatly.

First, there's the "two sizes too large" part. Are you implying that a GAP size 8 is the same as a Kors size 6 and that this difference in nomenclature has some monetary value associated with it?

Second, how could anything fit more like a paper bag than this? I'm sorry but that sweater looks very lumpy around the midsection (where nice fitting sweaters are designed to be slim), the sleeves are obviously hanging off his shoulders, and while it's hard to say with his arms crossed, it appears the sleeves may also be a tad short.

Help me out here. I wish to be enlightened.
 

ChiefBrody

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Originally posted by: MarthaLynn
They are made for an American market, meaning they are generally two sizes too large, and they have the fit of a paper-bag.
This confuses me greatly.

First, there's the "two sizes too large" part. Are you implying that a GAP size 8 is the same as a Kors size 6 and that this difference in nomenclature has some monetary value associated with it?

Second, how could anything fit more like a paper bag than this? I'm sorry but that sweater looks very lumpy around the midsection (where nice fitting sweaters are designed to be slim), the sleeves are obviously hanging off his shoulders, and while it's hard to say with his arms crossed, it appears the sleeves may also be a tad short.

Help me out here. I wish to be enlightened.



 

dxpaap

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wow- this thread is still going! Interesting multiple levels of discussions going on. I can't help but to think the response to this thread is telling about the shrinking of the middle class and widenly gap between the have's and have nots.

My 11 year old is fascinated by these "life styles of the fabulous wealth" type shows - as I see short glimpse of these shows, I get a very uneasy feeling in my gut. Although both my wife and I have good jobs and can afford all of the basics (own a home & multiple cars) & some of the luxury items (vacations, latest toys...) without going into debt. I'm wondering what surprises are in store for our (U.S.) standard of living when extreme "life styles" become a commonly accepted standard of success ?

Do I sense a standard of living "bubble" forming?

I guess the real kick, is when my youngest son, sincerely, with concern asks: "are we poor" - total shocker !

Anyways, hope everyone is has a merry holiday.

 

Johnbear007

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If you want to spend your cash on clothes like that, thats your business and i'm not going to rip on you for it. However it has no value to me. Old Navy does me just fine.
 

sjwaste

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Look, if shopping the high end segment of ANY market makes you feel better about yourself, go for it. That's the entire point. These segments exist so that individuals maximize their own utility, not that of others.

Fashion, though, is a lot more than what you pay or who designed it. If you're not blinded by the price tags or the concept of originality, you could go out and buy strikingly similar, or should i say near-identical, items for far less. It has more to do with whether or not you're willing to accept an off-label copy as opposed to a designer tag. However, personal utility may not be maximized by such a purchase. I'd venture to guess that the original poster of this thread sees an increase in his personal utility simply by purchasing designer clothing. It's not an insult to him, its merely stating his personal preference. I happen to be a very patient shopper when it comes to clothing. I like the latest trends, which the high price designers DO have a lot of influence over, but I don't prefer to pay a higher price. The result is that I manage to find near identical clothing at a fraction of the price. I would challenge the original poster or anyone else to tell the difference without looking at the tags, because my family and friends in the fashion industry (read: NOT floor sales people, because the original poster has already flamed them in general) cannot tell the difference.

Economically, it's a matter of spending your own disposable personal income on what maximizes your own utility. For me, I'd rather not spend a lot on clothes. But I'll bet my car's a lot faster than yours That's just what maxmizes my own utility. Then there's people like my father, who genuinely enjoys spending money on his family rather than personal items, and he wouldnt have it any other way. As long as you're not hurting anyone else, and the original poster of this thread is not, it's economically beneficial to spend money in a manner which makes you happiest.

I couldnt see spending thousands on clothes, even though my sweater will never throw a rod or drop a transmission. A lot of the more irate posters here couldnt see spending thousands on clothes but can justify computer expenditures of similar amounts, only to replace it every couple of years. Clothing might be the more practical expense, speaking outside of an economic context.

PS. The whole "made in" thing really doesn't mean a whole lot. It generally just means the final assembly of a product occurred in a certain country. I don't believe manufacturers are required to disclose origin of materials on the tag. Specific to "made in italy", it's unfortunate that that does not guarantee the lack of sweatshop conditions. I was watching the Italian news via satellite recently, with a segment about illegal sweat shops popping up here and there. It doesn't mean your clothing ISNT made in the same labor conditions as the lower priced clothing you've trashed.
 

ChiefBrody

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Originally posted by: dxpaap
wow- this thread is still going! Interesting multiple levels of discussions going on. I can't help but to think the response to this thread is telling about the shrinking of the middle class and widenly gap between the have's and have nots.

My 11 year old is fascinated by these "life styles of the fabulous wealth" type shows - as I see short glimpse of these shows, I get a very uneasy feeling in my gut. Although both my wife and I have good jobs and can afford all of the basics (own a home & multiple cars) & some of the luxury items (vacations, latest toys...) without going into debt. I'm wondering what surprises are in store for our (U.S.) standard of living when extreme "life styles" become a commonly accepted standard of success ?

Do I sense a standard of living "bubble" forming?

I guess the real kick, is when my youngest son, sincerely, with concern asks: "are we poor" - total shocker !

Anyways, hope everyone is has a merry holiday.

We are very much in the same situation as you. I am fortunate to have a great computer nerd job + a side business. My wife works pt for a decorator. We have a beautiful 16 year old daugher, 3 cars (all used Acuras,) a nice house with a movie theater (my hobby and passion,) and we take two major trips a year (We use miliage from the CITI Advantage card.) We are far from being rich, at least financially. We are frugal in some areas so we can spend a little in others. Could I buy an $8000 suit? Yes, and a Ferrari to go along with it. But we would be in debt and wouldn't be able to do the other things we enjoy. As of now, save for the house, we are debt free. Talk about freedom!

I believe I am the richest man in the world for the life and family I have. I don't need a $600 sweater to give me self confidence. I like Kenneth Cole and Banana Repubic. The main reason is that it's loose, no collar and very comfortable either casual or dress. Mainly black and Gray. My wife calls it my Star Trek clothes. I get them from the local outlet stores when they mark sale merchandise down an additional 50% off.

If one wants to pay $8000 for a suit, that's fine, if that's what floats their boat. But making statements like
I'm amazed that you find these prices so excessive: I have a colleague who spends upwards of $8,000 on bespoke (custom-made) Kiton suits. That I find a tad excessive.
is nothing but snotty snobbery. The guy sounds like a real a-hole.

I have found over the years, that people who talk like that are generally the ones who don't have anything. The ones who do have it, are usually pretty humble.
 

ChiefBrody

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Originally posted by: sjwaste

A lot of the more irate posters here couldnt see spending thousands on clothes but can justify computer expenditures of similar amounts, only to replace it every couple of years.

You and everyone else here know better than anyone that's not true. Afterall this is a bargain forum. I jumped on the Dell $299 deal. Got a 2.4Ghz server with a free Palm Zire for HALF the cost of one sweater.

 

sjwaste

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Originally posted by: ChiefBrody
Originally posted by: sjwaste

A lot of the more irate posters here couldnt see spending thousands on clothes but can justify computer expenditures of similar amounts, only to replace it every couple of years.

You and everyone else here know better than anyone that's not true. Afterall this is a bargain forum. I jumped on the Dell $299 deal. Got a 2.4Ghz server with a free Palm Zire for HALF the cost of one sweater.

Right. But I'll say this.. all the damn bargains on this site and others are driving me broke I'm a student and therefore do my best not to pay full price for anything.

Honestly, though, I was illustrating more those who consistenly purchase the highest end hardware and replace it when the next best comes out. You and I may not do that, but others do and it makes them content. There's nothing wrong with it. Everyone has to have hobbies, else we'd always be bored, and they generally cost money. You'll always spend the most where your interests lie.
 

ChiefBrody

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Originally posted by: sjwaste
Originally posted by: ChiefBrody
Originally posted by: sjwaste

A lot of the more irate posters here couldnt see spending thousands on clothes but can justify computer expenditures of similar amounts, only to replace it every couple of years.

You and everyone else here know better than anyone that's not true. Afterall this is a bargain forum. I jumped on the Dell $299 deal. Got a 2.4Ghz server with a free Palm Zire for HALF the cost of one sweater.

Right. But I'll say this.. all the damn bargains on this site and others are driving me broke I'm a student and therefore do my best not to pay full price for anything.

Honestly, though, I was illustrating more those who consistenly purchase the highest end hardware and replace it when the next best comes out. You and I may not do that, but others do and it makes them content. There's nothing wrong with it. Everyone has to have hobbies, else we'd always be bored, and they generally cost money. You'll always spend the most where your interests lie.


It's likely that the people who purchase the highest end hardware, are the same people who buy expensive clothes. They are not likely lurking around bargain forums.
 

mra

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No deal here unless you're driving around in a Rolls Royce or similar car.

Basically, no deal here. It's pretty clear that the poster doesn't make all this money himself or he wouldn't be hanging around in this forum. Most likely the son of a very rich guy who spoils him.

Flame me if you will, but you know it's all true.
 

DetRedWingNut69

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Originally posted by: ChiefBrody
Originally posted by: MarthaLynn
They are made for an American market, meaning they are generally two sizes too large, and they have the fit of a paper-bag.
This confuses me greatly.

First, there's the "two sizes too large" part. Are you implying that a GAP size 8 is the same as a Kors size 6 and that this difference in nomenclature has some monetary value associated with it?

Help me out here. I wish to be enlightened.

My only comment on this hilarious thread is in response to the 2 sizes to large. That is actual fact. This is mainly targeted towards women's clothing but is also apparent in men's as well. Designer's learned a long time ago that women didn't like to buy a size 8 when they used to be a size 6 or a 4 and still believed in their minds they were still the smaller size. So they started putting size 4 or 6 on an actual size 8 piece of clothing. They sell more clothing, the people get to believe what they want and no one gets hurt right?

Bottom line is the GAP size 8 is probably a real size 12 if you were to go by the actual tailoring dimensions.
 

TekDemon

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Originally posted by: dxpaap
wow- this thread is still going! Interesting multiple levels of discussions going on. I can't help but to think the response to this thread is telling about the shrinking of the middle class and widenly gap between the have's and have nots.

My 11 year old is fascinated by these "life styles of the fabulous wealth" type shows - as I see short glimpse of these shows, I get a very uneasy feeling in my gut. Although both my wife and I have good jobs and can afford all of the basics (own a home & multiple cars) & some of the luxury items (vacations, latest toys...) without going into debt. I'm wondering what surprises are in store for our (U.S.) standard of living when extreme "life styles" become a commonly accepted standard of success ?

Do I sense a standard of living "bubble" forming?

I guess the real kick, is when my youngest son, sincerely, with concern asks: "are we poor" - total shocker !

Anyways, hope everyone is has a merry holiday.
Personally although I am a poor college student, I like to have a FEW objects that are the top of their class. =) Things that even the richest people can't do better on.
Since we are all tech geeks here I think we can all pull that off in a lot of tech stuff
And so I have my ipod, which I think is better than Mandy Moore's even heh (I think she has a 2nd gen, but it might be 1st since I'm not all that familiar and I only saw it once on TV). And although the Axim 400Mhz is kinda lame NOW, it used to be pretty cutting edge. And my laptop is pretty cutting edge too (compaq x1000), etc.

Point out to your son that those rich people don't have your uber overclocked 4Ghz PC, and that they only have a 2Ghz slow ass piece of junk Sure, they can buy their Mach-L's, but you know we can always build a faster PC than that!
That awesome panoramic LCD thing though...that I can't beat...but other than that we're all good.

Nobody can have the best of everything...I mean there are just gonna be things money can't buy, and so you should point out to your son the stuff you have that IS the best, and also perhaps point out that sometimes it's what drives you that makes your life better than others. Like the drive to overclock your PC to 5ghz!

Personally I wish to one day build a dual prometeia unit PC. As in two CPUs running at 4Ghz =p Too bad no real dual-CPU overclocker boards out there =(
 

HemanC

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Originally posted by: Ionizer86
Unofficial buyers' guide:

Entry for cashmere/silk sportcoat:
$895 when on sale from Saks: MSRP $1195. "Three button closure, with chest pocket, front flap pockets, and back vent. Fully lined in Bemberg rayon. Dry clean. Made in Italy." Also please reference FX-51 entry here.

What an a** they are, showing off 3Ghz computer and how much they would spend on the system. I buy LV and other name brand clothes but never show off like that. Crappers on this thread still don't understand not all people like to spend money just on computer. For peeps who try to justify why, don't bother. You just can't justify what you like to spend your money on.
 

Hobit

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Originally posted by: OsSpengler
Been craving that cashmere coat? How about something from the Michael Kors Winter 03 lineup?

Saksfifthavenue.com right now has having the sale of a lifetime. These make a great gift for yourself, the board of directors, or any corporate clients you may have. Best of all, they won't give your American Express a run for its money.

I picked up a:
They also have numerous dress shirts if you're in the market, with prices starting at $62.50. We're talking about Italian craftsmanship, single needlepoint stitching, and Egyptian cotton.

Those shirts should go great with some of the ties on sale, especially the Ermenegildo Zegna Tire Stripe Tie for only $82.90!

Those of you familiar with Saks, Neimans, and Barneys will realize that these stores rarely have markdowns on in-season clothes. Get in on this before it's too late! This is an amazing sale.


This belongs in the hot deal forum for the rich and famous. I make pretty good money and wouldn't consider spending my hard earned money at this store. I will just stick with Macy and its often 50% off.
 

timmychen

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Geesh, you guys should stop picking on this guy... everything is relative!

Someone from a third world country reading this (yes yes, they wouldn't have computers) would be amazed that we would spend any more than a few cents on a nice meal!

I could think of a few other topics that could be similar to this:

- StarBucks $4.00 or higher coffee compared to 10 cent coffee

- Real diamond compared to manufactured diamond ($5,000 vs $25... anyone read Wired?)

- Charmain toilet paper compared to economy club priced toilet 'towels'

- $500 iPod compared to a ($20) walkman (i have an iPod, and I love it)

- $2,000 NBA Playoffs Tickets compared to regular season nosebleed section tickets for $35

- $300-$500 in Video game consoles/games/hacks compared to a FREE membership to the Public Library

- A nice watch, compared to a Casio or Timex watch


Yeah yeah... flame me for any of those... but when it boils down to it, there's an occassion for everything, a reason for spending more and a reason for spending less. Some people can spend more, more of the time, others can't. But everything is relative. Just try to explain to an orphan in your nearest homeless shelter or orphanage (probably not more than 25 miles away) about why you're spending Christmas on Anandtech, and not with family, which is all that child has ever wanted for Christmas... even if for just a few minutes.

So, Merry Christmas, happy holidays... I won't be buying my girlfriend a $560 sweater, but I did opt for a digital camera over $300 when I could have bought a cheap reusable 35mm for $10.
 

Hobit

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Originally posted by: timmychen
Geesh, you guys should stop picking on this guy... everything is relative!

Someone from a third world country reading this (yes yes, they wouldn't have computers) would be amazed that we would spend any more than a few cents on a nice meal!

I could think of a few other topics that could be similar to this:

- StarBucks $4.00 or higher coffee compared to 10 cent coffee

- Real diamond compared to manufactured diamond ($5,000 vs $25... anyone read Wired?)

- Charmain toilet paper compared to economy club priced toilet 'towels'

- $500 iPod compared to a ($20) walkman (i have an iPod, and I love it)

- $2,000 NBA Playoffs Tickets compared to regular season nosebleed section tickets for $35

- $300-$500 in Video game consoles/games/hacks compared to a FREE membership to the Public Library

- A nice watch, compared to a Casio or Timex watch


Yeah yeah... flame me for any of those... but when it boils down to it, there's an occassion for everything, a reason for spending more and a reason for spending less. Some people can spend more, more of the time, others can't. But everything is relative. Just try to explain to an orphan in your nearest homeless shelter or orphanage (probably not more than 25 miles away) about why you're spending Christmas on Anandtech, and not with family, which is all that child has ever wanted for Christmas... even if for just a few minutes.

So, Merry Christmas, happy holidays... I won't be buying my girlfriend a $560 sweater, but I did opt for a digital camera over $300 when I could have bought a cheap reusable 35mm for $10.


Good point! But this forum is mainly for people who are looking for FAR. I would bet you $20 bucks that there isn't a soul in here who would buy a sweater for $500. After all, it looks just like any other sweater after one wash. That's the marvel of clothings. They look good when new and garbage after a few washes. Merry Christmas!
 

kaborka

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This should be archived under the "really weird thread" category. Guy finds a sale on fancy high-end clothes and it turns into a debate about lifestyle choices, values, and socio-economic prejudice. God I love the Internet!
 

SSibalNom

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Originally posted by: Odarby
Wow,....I mean W-O-W!
How did a person that buys $500+ sweaters ever end up on this site?????
With all due respect what do you think the chances are?
Is this OP just out slummin?
Ya know, just trying to get a taste of what the other side is like.

Hey folks like this got to eat too, right?
This link might be of an intrest to them.....Food For The Fashion Minded-(Link)

Ha ha OP, jokes on us. Now roll up your limo window and move on.

 

theBrink

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I love how this is HOTTER THAN HOT!!!

near 600$ sweater...yeah....HOT DEAL! BUY BUY BUY!

someone is getting a nice commission me thinks.
 

PagannagaP

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5 star thread.

"Greed is good"

Personally I find paying this much for clothes is sickening when some people are living in poverty.
 

afawzy316

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Ok, well, i know you have had alot of people attacking u up and down this board and they are truely all justified in what they are saying and i can't believe that you are actually trying to defend yourself.
To be frank, you are an extremely pretentious individual who exemplifies all that is wrong with america. I find it amazing that a person can go out and spend close to $1600 on three articles of clothing while there r individuals that are less fortunate who would are just looking for the tiniest fraction of that to feed their hungry family, and i'm not talking only of people in america, but around the globe. You kept ranting about how cheaper clothing is made by cheap labour. Point well taken, but how has you blowing so much money on your clothing helping humanity? I'm quite sure hungry children all over Africa can sleep so much more easily now that you are at the hight of fashion. It is also amazing how you are, in your own sly way, trying to educate these people about fashion and trying to convince them that buying rediculously priced clothing is the way to go. I have news for you, it is simply foolish. who cares whether something is two sizes too big...just buy the smaller size. Seriously, the day i buy clothing for such prices is the day i jump off the empire state building.
Oh, and for your information, this is not a hot deal!! I think you should be banned from this board altogether for this post simply cause of the lunacy of your words. It is obvious you are either trying to show off infront of everyone or you live in your own world where such rediculous garbage counts as a hot deal.
 

Rhapsody

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I might suggest that the Beverly Hills surgeon that our poor OsSpengler referred to just might be of some use here if he is steady with his blade, since our poor friend may possibly be in terrible need of tongue from cheek detachment.
 
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