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ncage

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Originally posted by: astrocase
What do you gain by going with a DSLR (as an amateur) instead of one of those Point and shoots like you've linked to above?


Ok here goes. I had one of the better ProSumer P&S Cameras according to dPreview. I had an olympus c-8080. ProSumer cameras are kind of a mix between dSLR & Point in Shoot in that they have a lot of the features of a dSLR like aperature priority, shutter priority, RAW mode, ect but they don't have changable lenses. Sometimes they have add on filters or extensions but these aren't really changing the lens. I liked my C-8080 and it took pretty good pictures but there were definitly limiations with it. It was so much slower compared to a dSLR (writing an image to the camera after you had taken the shot especially in RAW mode and the zoom was slow too). Also they start to produce quite a bit of noise at 400iso and above. The reason they produce a lot of noise is the size of the CCD. The size of the CCD on p&s is quite a bit smaller than a dSLR. Generally the more you pay for a camera the bigger the CCD is. Unless you spend a lot of money it still isn't going to be quite the size of a 35mm frame. I think canon has one of the cheapest right now and its right about $3000. The biggest things for dSLR are changeable lenses. The lens quality is so much better and you will definitly see it. There are so gotchas though. Since you have changable lenses you will eventually get dust on the CCD and you will see dust particles in your picture. You can clean this off yourself but it can be quite a pain and sometimes i think people end up sending their camera in. Also good lenses themself can cost more than the camera. Go look at a nikkor 18-200mm VR or a nikkor 70-200mm VR. They are about $900 and $1500 respecfually. So you can see it endless on what you can spend. I just bought one of the most highly rated lenses for its price. The sigma 70-300mm apo dg and it was $195 shipped and thats very cheap for a lens. Hope this helps.

ncage
 

ncage

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Originally posted by: dclive
Thumbs up on that ncage!

Ya lol and this spider might look like a big spider but he wasn't. He was about a quarter inch. I was so impressed. I can't wait till i get a dedicated macro lens.
 

ncage

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Sorry guys for all the post with pictures but im really loving this:
http://brentw.no-ip.org/duck.jpg
I went in the woods last night behind my parents house. I was just messing around with my new lens. I took a picture of something that looked like a duck and i had no idea what it was. I use to hunt when i was younger all the time and i still never seen anything like it. It was wierd because when you scared it it wouldn't fly it would dive and stay submerged for like 3 minutes. Here is the duck:
http://brentw.no-ip.org/duck.jpg

Anyways i went to some photo forums and a guy replied almost immediatly and knew what it was. It was a
breeding Pied-billed Grebe. Which is on the endangered species list in IL. I just thought that was so cool that i captured one in the wild. Here is the link about the bird in IL:
http://www.inhs.uiuc.edu/chf/pub/ifwis/birds/pied-billed-grebe.html#occurence

By the way this all came from a refurbished camera .
 

astrocase

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Thanks for the help guys. I'm going to borrow one of the nicer Point and Shoot cameras from Nikon and see how I like it. I'll go from there for the time being. I've talked to some people and they say there's at least a 3 month learning curve with a DSLR, but maybe I'd be better off stopping in the middle rather than jumping from a crappy point and shoot all the way to a DSLR.
 

jmagg

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Just received the used 75-300 AF Nikkor. Heres a sample full out 125th a sec. No processing besides the crop and resize. I'm happy with the purchase.

My main vice
 

MiataPaul

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Originally posted by: astrocase
Thanks for the help guys. I'm going to borrow one of the nicer Point and Shoot cameras from Nikon and see how I like it. I'll go from there for the time being. I've talked to some people and they say there's at least a 3 month learning curve with a DSLR, but maybe I'd be better off stopping in the middle rather than jumping from a crappy point and shoot all the way to a DSLR.


I think if you are interested in a DSLR you will be disappointed in a Point and shoot. I have had a few and the big thing is digital noise. Even using Noise Ninja it quickly becomes objectionable at ISO 400, where as the D50 is basically usable at any ISO. The speed of handling is another thing that the DSLR is better at. I also cannot stand the EFV viewfinder. You cannot follow action very well through the viewfinder very well on a "prosumer" point and shoot. Finally the biggest thing is depth of field. The point and shoots use much smaller sensors (also the source of higher noise) and cannot give shallow depth of field. I often use a 50 mm 1.4 and can throw the background out of focus in portraits this simply is not possible in any point and shoot except the new Sony RD1. Even the new Sony is somewhat limited as far as F-stop goes. Image quality of a point and shoot cannot compare to the SLR. They are much bulkier, but some not so much so. (Olympus, Pentax and Cannon Digital Rebel XT are all about the size of the bigger P&S) I prefer the larger size and is why I have chosen the D50 over the Rebel XT, but I have large hands and could not hold onto the XT. I also want t D200 and that feels perfect in my hands, but is out of my current price range.
 

QuixoticOne

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At the current sub-$600 price levels for a quality DSLR + lens kit, I'd go
DSLR instead of point & shoot. I have a PowerShot S50 and my partner has a D50 DSLR;
more often than not when I want to take a picture I grab the D50 and leave the S50
in its pouch.

P&S cameras by and large don't offer adequately high zoom levels for things like
wildlife or astronomical photography where you really want at least a
200mm or 300mm, up to 1000mm+ (telescope / spotting scope mount) for
many cases like birds, insects, larger animals at dozens of yards or more distances, etc.

P&S cameras have tiny sensors, tiny lenses. This makes bad noise, lacking light
sensitivity, and serious "purple fringing" chromatic abberration distortion in
things like landscape or highly detailed urban photos.

It's almost impossible to use a P&S camera in the evening, early morning, or shaded
areas because generally the required exposure times get to be longer than
1/15th second, and often longer than 1 second, leading to the necessity of using a
tripod as well as not being able to cover any moving (people, animal, water, wind blown)
subjects well.

I can generally shoot with no tripod with a 'fast' lens on the D50 until well after
sunset with reasonably short exposures whereas I start to lose enough light for
the S50 almost an hour beforehand.

The DSLRs are quite easy to use, just as easy as a moderately advanced P&S,
you can leave it in "AUTO", "Portrait", "Landscape", "Sports/Fast action" shooting
mode and do nothing more than press the shutter button to focus & shoot, and
review the picture result for quality / exposure when it's taken on most P&S as
well as DSLR cameras. You really don't need / want to do more than that 90% of
the time.

The other 10% of the time, well, you're out of options on P&S since
generally they can't be put into very advanced manual modes, or if they can,
they're limited by their design limits of F-stop, ISO range, etc.
Whereas on the DSLR you *could* go fully or semi-manual to do things like
manual shutter speed, manual F-stop, manual flash or exposure compensation,
manual focus spot / mode selection, changing to a better lens, etc.

The main gripes I have about some DSLRs that I've seen are that:
a) it'd be nice to have a 'live viewfinder' (possibly highly zoomed) preview LCD through-the-lens image like P&S has.

b) many DSLRs don't have quite as good of a optical viewfinder as I'd like, e.g.
split-prism focusing, available viewfinder magnifier attachments, etc. thus making
fine manual focus especially with very low f-stop or very high focal length moderate
f-stop lenses very difficult. Also it's hard to focus on dim subjects like star fields
at night, etc. because of this.

c) DSLRs as well as P&S cameras should really have more easily added external
battery packs since it's relatively cheap / easy to buy 2GB, 4GB, or multiples of those
storage cards for a long day / vacation of shooting, but battery cost / life / recharge time
is often the limiting factor. After about 200-400 shots for most P&S or DSLRs you're
really toward the end of the battery even if you've not used the flash, and have made
only conservative use of the LCD. It'd be nice to have an easy option to shoot
400-800 shots without need to change batteries for me.

 

SPOOOK

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stay away from this lemon the ccd is made by sony its made out of plactic
it brakes in about a year or so buy the 70 and up the older 5 model numbers
are no good sony made a lot of bad ccd for many brands of camera only buy
a camera that was made in 2006 and up
 

The Spud

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Originally posted by: SPOOOK
stay away from this lemon the ccd is made by sony its made out of plactic
it brakes in about a year or so buy the 70 and up the older 5 model numbers
are no good sony made a lot of bad ccd for many brands of camera only buy
a camera that was made in 2006 and up

I don't know... I've had a lot of problems with the ones made in 2007.
 

tfinch2

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Originally posted by: SPOOOK
stay away from this lemon the ccd is made by sony its made out of plactic
it brakes in about a year or so buy the 70 and up the older 5 model numbers
are no good sony made a lot of bad ccd for many brands of camera only buy
a camera that was made in 2006 and up

english motherfvcker do you speak it?
 

dclive

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IIRC, the D50 wasn't impacted by the CCD issues anyway. Nikon certainly hasn't notified me.
 

AUMM

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Hmmm, beachcamera is now selling the d50 Refurbed with no lens for $499.... am I looking at the wrong place?
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: AUMM
Hmmm, beachcamera is now selling the d50 Refurbed with no lens for $499.... am I looking at the wrong place?

This thread was started on 04/11/2006 01:08 PM.
 

feelingshorter

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Originally posted by: QueHuong
Originally posted by: Dug
Originally posted by: Ghettocowboy
How does this one compare to the Nikon 8800 or 8700?? The 8800 or the 8700 are made in Japan and the D50 is made in Thailand. Any1 have A/B comparason in term of photo qualities on these??


D50 is a DSLR.
If you want speed and versatility then a p&s like the 8800 doesn't even compare.
The 87-8800 can't do instant on, high ISO, manual zoom, almost instant AF speed, can't change lenses.

Some more stuff to add: if you don't want to spend time learning about photography, then don't buy a DSLR. Yes, it's more versatile and it's faster, but for most, a point and shoot is better for them. So anyone new to DSLRs and thinking on getting in on this deal, do reconsider. It takes a lot of time to learn to use a DSLR, and to learn the principles of photography. It is also a potentially expensive hobby (the lower price range of good lens is around $600).

That said, I have a DSLR and i really like photography. But if I didn't like photography, then using a DSLR would have frustrated me.

exactly...you dont just buy a DSLR just to snap a few pictures for an ebay auction...to even compare a p&s camera to a DSLR is laughable. Theres soo much material and math that can get involved in photography that its not for the lazy and weak of mind

bump and great deal IMO
 

AUMM

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Originally posted by: supafly
Originally posted by: AUMM
Hmmm, beachcamera is now selling the d50 Refurbed with no lens for $499.... am I looking at the wrong place?

This thread was started on 04/11/2006 01:08 PM.

 

SPOOOK

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get lost jerk fuckkk

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Originally posted by: SPOOOK
stay away from this lemon the ccd is made by sony its made out of plactic
it brakes in about a year or so buy the 70 and up the older 5 model numbers
are no good sony made a lot of bad ccd for many brands of camera only buy
a camera that was made in 2006 and up
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english motherfvcker do you speak it?
you dont jerk
 

MiataPaul

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Originally posted by: SPOOOK
stay away from this lemon the ccd is made by sony its made out of plactic
it brakes in about a year or so buy the 70 and up the older 5 model numbers
are no good sony made a lot of bad ccd for many brands of camera only buy
a camera that was made in 2006 and up

I think this did effect the d70 but not the d50. I believe they being replaced anyway even after warranty. But I do have to agree that your post was almost completely unreadable.
 
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