HOT! Opteron 240s on Tankguys for $75

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Zebo
This deal is cold. Need $250 mobo and expensive registed/ECC ram and 4 sticks to work proper with full bandwidth!!!

You're cheaper, faster, more feature filled buying a 3800 x2 for $325, 2 x 512 PC3200 value ram and a $65 Asrock mobo!

But these processors are not intended for home use, just like machine guns are not intended for Deer Hunting. Apples to Oranges.

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Googer
Here is what I am talking about. Dual socket Opteron's have twice the memory bandwith of Single socket chips.
Dual Socket = 12.4 GB/s
Single Socket = 6.2 GB/s

Quad-socket = 24.8 GB/s

Octo-socket = 49.6 GB/s!

http://www.lostcircuits.com/motherboard/asus_k8n-dl/8.shtml


Personaly I would take a Pair of 2.4GHz Single Core Opterons over one Dual Core 2.4 Ghz processor simply because it has twice the memory bandwith. Also it is a cheap way to get 4gb with out having to run at a 2t command rate. The last time I checked Crucial.com Registered ECC was only $5-10 more than non ECC unbufferd 512MB DIMM(s).

http://www.lostcircuits.com/motherboard/asus_k8n-dl/wb5_wme.gif
http://www.lostcircuits.com/motherboard/asus_k8n-dl/wb5_rox.gif
http://www.lostcircuits.com/motherboard/asus_k8n-dl/wb5_zip.gif

Googer do yourself a favor before assuming double bandwidth out performs a crossbar X2 has and look here. http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/athlon64-x2/index.x?pg=8

4200 beats dual 248's all day long. Both are same speed AND 4200 has half the cache half the bandwidth.

As always latency with AMD-64 is king. An opteron 2xx setup has sh1tty latency. Relying on HT to communicate between cores and slower memory interface while X2 uses crossbar (same speed as processor) to communicate between cores and even the cheapest non-ECC memory is faster w/o extra wait state.

Just remember that most old Opterons used the 800 MHz Hypertransport link and new ones use 1000MHz. I am only standing behind the statement that two single core Opterons are faster than one dual core Opteron because it is the word of AMD, it is their claim and no one has the benchmarks to disprove that claim yet.

 

[Zebo]

I just linked up the benchmarks. I don't give a sh1t what AMD says and you're too lazy to read them. And stupid enough to believe Hypertransport of 200Mhz makes any difference what so ever. Not to mention a 3800 run at 600 more mhz.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Zebo
I just linked up the benchmarks. I don't give a sh1t what AMD says and you're too lazy to read them. And stupid enough to believe Hypertransport of 200Mhz makes any difference what so ever. Not to mention a 3800 run at 600 more mhz.

Be nice.

I am not too lazy to read them, I just to not have all day to sit around and find them. I have better things to do with my time.

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: Zim
First place I looked was ebay and found these cpus selling for around that price. ebay is great for judging the value of an item, irrespective of its retail price.

EXCUSE ME??? ebay has to be the WORST place to look up current prices on stuff. Most of the time the prices listed reflects prices u could get at a store walking in. If u want accurate price reflection u should just pricewatch.com it and go somewhere in the middle.

actually you can get some great deals on ebay if you look and are willing to take a few days to do it.

there is a guy on there who has been selling 2 x opteron 842 for $175 . im not saying i'd buy that, but its probably better than this tankguys deal especially since they are 842s.

i think ebay prices are generally lower than retail, but if you are an established seller and well don't list your items like crap (which is the reason a lot of people dont get as much) it is a pretty good indicator of how popular particular items really are.

case in point an OEM pentium D 820, if you look around, can be had for $175 or so on ebay. its just not a popular product. neither are opteron 240s. its a very good place to set equilibrium prices, and i sincerely doubt that tankguys is even moving that many of these 240s at $85 (they go for like $65 on ebay if you look at completed auctions)

 

[Zim]

Originally posted by: hans007
actually you can get some great deals on ebay if you look and are willing to take a few days to do it.

there is a guy on there who has been selling 2 x opteron 842 for $175 . im not saying i'd buy that, but its probably better than this tankguys deal especially since they are 842s.

i think ebay prices are generally lower than retail, but if you are an established seller and well don't list your items like crap (which is the reason a lot of people dont get as much) it is a pretty good indicator of how popular particular items really are.

case in point an OEM pentium D 820, if you look around, can be had for $175 or so on ebay. its just not a popular product. neither are opteron 240s. its a very good place to set equilibrium prices, and i sincerely doubt that tankguys is even moving that many of these 240s at $85 (they go for like $65 on ebay if you look at completed auctions)

Sense at last!

 

[IceMole]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Googer
I quote AMD in saying that TWO 248's (2.2GHz) are faster than one dual core 275 (2.2GHz) by 10%. Chip latency or not two soclkets are faster than one.

And I point you to a credible review that shows an X2 4200+ outperforming dual 248 (both running at 2.2 Ghz) in almost every single benchmark by a margin of 1-10% or more.

http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/athlon64-x2/index.x?pg=5

Not only that but now nvidia has dual core support in the video drivers. I LOST 500 3dmark05 points by going from my X2 3800 @ 2.4 to an opty 146 @ 2.8

 

[aigomorla]

LOL i bet tankguys is losing money on this sale too like they did on the X2's. Personally i would of bought my X2 from them if monarch didnt coax me in with free HL2 and memory card holder!! DOE~!

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: IceMole

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Googer
I quote AMD in saying that TWO 248's (2.2GHz) are faster than one dual core 275 (2.2GHz) by 10%. Chip latency or not two soclkets are faster than one.

And I point you to a credible review that shows an X2 4200+ outperforming dual 248 (both running at 2.2 Ghz) in almost every single benchmark by a margin of 1-10% or more.

http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/athlon64-x2/index.x?pg=5

Not only that but now nvidia has dual core support in the video drivers. I LOST 500 3dmark05 points by going from my X2 3800 @ 2.4 to an opty 146 @ 2.8

That would be expected. Your Claim does not surprise me at all. Athlons are differant than Opterons- They are slower. It is like compairing a ferrari to a diesel pickup truck. Both have 500 HP- One is a worker and the other is a speedy play toy. An Athlon (Ferrari) running at the same speed as an Opteron will be faster. Lets compaire Athlons to Athlons and Opterons to Opterons.

Try rebenchmarking with one Opteron 275 populating only one socket.

When I say two single core CPUs are faster than one dual core, I mean SOCKET 940 vs SOCKET 940 on the SAME MOTHERBOARD. For some reason I think people are having a hard time grasping this Idea.


APPLES TO APPLES.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Zebo
I just linked up the benchmarks. I don't give a sh1t what AMD says and you're too lazy to read them. And stupid enough to believe Hypertransport of 200Mhz makes any difference what so ever. Not to mention a 3800 run at 600 more mhz.

Be nice.

I am not too lazy to read them, I just to not have all day to sit around and find them. I have better things to do with my time.

You're too lazy to read a hardware review, but you still purport to be an expert in computer hardware?

I'm sure everybody following this discussion is really going to take your word for it now. :roll:

Opterons are slower than Athlons? Where do you come up with this stuff? Look at the link above and compare the 2.6 Opteron to the 2.6 FX-55 and see how the benchmarks are virtually identical. Go read threads on this in the CPU forum.

Seriously, man, a lot of people who don't know better go off the advice they read in the forums and when you, someone who admits to be too lazy to read hardware reviews and is too stubborn to admit when he's been proven wrong, make incorrect claims it might influence some people's decisions. I only wish you were too lazy to bother posting in these threads.

 

[Googer]

Hmmm..... How did I ever keep up to date on this stuff before there were internet forums.......

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Zebo
I just linked up the benchmarks. I don't give a sh1t what AMD says and you're too lazy to read them. And stupid enough to believe Hypertransport of 200Mhz makes any difference what so ever. Not to mention a 3800 run at 600 more mhz.

Be nice.

I am not too lazy to read them, I just to not have all day to sit around and find them. I have better things to do with my time.

You're too lazy to read a hardware review, but you still purport to be an expert in computer hardware?

I'm sure everybody following this discussion is really going to take your word for it now. :roll:

Opterons are slower than Athlons? Where do you come up with this stuff? Look at the link above and compare the 2.6 Opteron to the 2.6 FX-55 and see how the benchmarks are virtually identical. Go read threads on this in the CPU forum.

Seriously, man, a lot of people who don't know better go off the advice they read in the forums and when you, someone who admits to be too lazy to read hardware reviews and is too stubborn to admit when he's been proven wrong, make incorrect claims it might influence some people's decisions. I only wish you were too lazy to bother posting in these threads.

Yep, the athlon fx gets an extra 10FPS more in Unreal than the Opteron 152/252/175/275
http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/athlon64-x2/ut2004.gif

Also note that these are very low resoloutions(640x480), the differances would be much greater if they had benchmarked at higher resolutions.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Zebo
I just linked up the benchmarks. I don't give a sh1t what AMD says and you're too lazy to read them. And stupid enough to believe Hypertransport of 200Mhz makes any difference what so ever. Not to mention a 3800 run at 600 more mhz.

Be nice.

I am not too lazy to read them, I just to not have all day to sit around and find them. I have better things to do with my time.

You're too lazy to read a hardware review, but you still purport to be an expert in computer hardware?

I'm sure everybody following this discussion is really going to take your word for it now. :roll:

Opterons are slower than Athlons? Where do you come up with this stuff? Look at the link above and compare the 2.6 Opteron to the 2.6 FX-55 and see how the benchmarks are virtually identical. Go read threads on this in the CPU forum.

Seriously, man, a lot of people who don't know better go off the advice they read in the forums and when you, someone who admits to be too lazy to read hardware reviews and is too stubborn to admit when he's been proven wrong, make incorrect claims it might influence some people's decisions. I only wish you were too lazy to bother posting in these threads.

Yep, the athlon fx gets an extra 10FPS more in Unreal than the Opteron 152/252/175/275
http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/athlon64-x2/ut2004.gif

Also note that these are very low resoloutions(640x480), the differances would be much greater if they had benchmarked at higher resolutions.

No, it gets 6...if you round up. And that's one benchmark out of 20-30 and plenty have the 152 over the FX-55 too but all are within margin of error or negligible. Don't cherry pick one and use it as support.

And why would they benchmark at higher resolutions where performance is mainly limited by GPU? Standrad practice is to benchmark at lower reoislutions where the CPU is the limitation for frames.

All you're doing is proving you really have no clue what you're talking about. Is it worth exposing your lack of technical knowledge because you're too stubborn to just admit you were wrong?

 

[Googer]

Compairing Athlons to Opterons is like comparing An Athlon to a Sempron.
Are these fair compairisons?

Athlons = Opterons?
Semprons = Athlons?
Semprons = Opterons?

I do not think so, the above compairisons are Apples and Oranges, both are round, both are a fruit, both grow on a tree, both can be juiced, both have seeds in the middle, so I guess that APPLES and Oranges are the same!

 

[Googer]

It does not matter if you like the opteron 240 or not, anytime something is half price it is a hot deal.

New 2006 BMW M3 Loaded Zero Miles 29k- It's half price, despite the fact that there are cars out there with just as much power (or performance) for the same price; it is still a hot deal!

 

[jakedeez]

updated with $10 drop

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: jakedeez
updated with $10 drop

This Deal keeps getting hotter and hotter! Two opterons for $150!

 

[Googer]

Add the $150 Opteron Pair to this $229 motherboard and you are still spending less than the cost of one 3800+, also the K8N is one of the few overclockable dual CPU motherboards with PCI-express x16.

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: Googer
It does not matter if you like the opteron 240 or not, anytime something is half price it is a hot deal.

New 2006 BMW M3 Loaded Zero Miles 29k- It's half price, despite the fact that there are cars out there with just as much power (or performance) for the same price; it is still a hot deal!

uh an 06 m3 if one existed would actually be a hot deal, because 29k would no way be the prevailing price for it.

unfortunately this opteron deal really isnt that hot, if the going rate for them at a place such as ebay is less than the price at this store.

at $75 its warm now, maybe because of alternatives.


i suppose if we took your bmw example. say bmws were half off this week, that would be hot.

but if every other car in its class, say infinitis, lexus, acuras and mercedes were all half off that week too (thus comparable or better value, which is what an athlon x2 3800, or in the other hot deal thread the opteron 165 one)

 

[Maximilian]

I was interested in making a duallie opteron system, so i read most of this.

To sum it up, i could get 2x opteron 242's for $130, yes thats on ebay but still, ive had no trouble with anything ive bought from that. Basicallu even that deal sucks as has been pointed out before the motherboards are overpriced and the cheapest one which is the MSI K8T master2 FAR has only AGP, uses pentium 4 coolers for some reason (voiding the warrenty you would get) and also ive read it can be unstable. You get what you pay for. In addition to that there are no boards out there that will take normal ram, they all need registered or ECC or both. This ram is slower, this ram does cost significantly more dependant on where you buy it.

Overall, building a system around socket 940 is a pretty bad idea, ive decided its not worth the extra $$$ or hassle. Many boards do not like certain brands of ram etc, and the cheap MSI one is one of those boards.

 

[cmv]

Originally posted by: Soviet
I was interested in making a duallie opteron system, so i read most of this.

To sum it up, i could get 2x opteron 242's for $130, yes thats on ebay but still, ive had no trouble with anything ive bought from that. Basicallu even that deal sucks as has been pointed out before the motherboards are overpriced and the cheapest one which is the MSI K8T master2 FAR has only AGP, uses pentium 4 coolers for some reason (voiding the warrenty you would get) and also ive read it can be unstable. You get what you pay for. In addition to that there are no boards out there that will take normal ram, they all need registered or ECC or both. This ram is slower, this ram does cost significantly more dependant on where you buy it.

Overall, building a system around socket 940 is a pretty bad idea, ive decided its not worth the extra $$$ or hassle. Many boards do not like certain brands of ram etc, and the cheap MSI one is one of those boards.

Thanks for the summary.

 

[Megamixman]

Opterons are SERVER class processors. Yes they suck at games, but they were never meant to be there. The Big Advantage here is the ability to get 4 cores later on and PCI-X, which might not seem like much to the gamers, but it is huge. Right now no other bus has server class hardware, and I don?t mean those puny little 4 SATA raid cards that offload a good deal of the processing to the CPU. I'm talking about 8 US320 SCSI Raid, etc. This is not for gamers! It is a hot deal for, people who want an upgradeable server, render boxes, etc.