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stingygrrl

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I just got back from vacation. My PC was on (other people live here too) and it recorded everything prefectly,as far as I've looked at them, using v 1.4

It's a shame about the price rise. (I signed up for the mailing list to get the $60 price, but I meant the old $50 pcalchemy price).

I'm still in my free trial on 1.4. I was probably going to get it next weekend, when I'm expecting to get some money from an old debt. (I could have gotten it anytime, but it was going to be a free gift to myself once that came in, so I was waiting).

I guess I'll try out the trial of 2.0

Thanks everyone
 

pcalchemy

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Following is pcalchemy.com's new SageTV price list:

Available now:

SageTV Version 2.0 $58.95 ($63.95 after 6/1)
SageTV Client Version 2.0 $26.95
SageTV Recorder Version 1.5 $17.95


SageTV 2.0 w/ WinTV-PVR-250 and Hauppauge Silver Remote $163.95 ($168.95 after 6/1)
SageTV 2.0 w/ WinTV-PVR-350 and Hauppauge Silver Remote $203.95 ($208.95 after 6/1)


We are taking pre-orders on the following:

SageTV 2.0 w/ WinTV-PVR-USB2 and Hauppauge Silver Remote $203.95 ($208.95 after 6/1, available 5/17)
SageTV 2.0 w/ WinTV-PVR-250MCE $139.95 (available 6/1)
SageTV 2.0 w/ WinTV-PVR-250MCE and Streamzap PC Remote $164.95 (available 6/1)

An additional WinTV-PVR-250MCE may be added to any bundle for only $84.95, or two WinTV-PVR-250MCEs may be added for only $160.00.

These will be available for shipment 6/1.

You may have noticed that the price of the PVR250MCE bundles has not changed!
 

huesmann

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I tried 2.0 briefly last night. Didn't see what all the hullabulloo was all about. Took me forever to figure out how to watch live TV. Is there a way to do it as easily as 1.4 by just freaking clicking on the "Live TV" button? If not, I fail to see how it's an improvement.
 

JohnnyPastrami

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New to this PVR stuff and I'm a bit confused, I don't see support for any of the HDTV tuner cards

Am I corect in assuming they don't support them yet? If not, anybody know if and when?

I may not have a complete grasp of what it would take to support HDTV, but in my opionion HDTV recording is the only reason to have a PC PVR at this point.
 

cordite

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Originally posted by: JohnnyPastrami
I may not have a complete grasp of what it would take to support HDTV, but in my opionion HDTV recording is the only reason to have a PC PVR at this point.

Not at all! Having SDTV programming sitting there at your call is reason enough for me. A PC PVR is just easier to deal with than a hacked set-top PVR like Tivo, which also requires subscription fees. I've also loaded DivX copies of episodes of TV shows and they look much better on an actual television. It's also nice to be able to run Winamp and Milkdrop through the entertainment system.

HDTV's a pretty poor reason, given the current lack of programming.
 

RossMAN

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SnapStream's lack of customer service is starting to piss me off.

I've e-mailed them TWICE with no response!!!
 
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Originally posted by: RossMAN
SnapStream's lack of customer service is starting to piss me off.

I've e-mailed them TWICE with no response!!!

Yeah it's supposed to be real poor. A lot of people aren't able to download the program guide. All has to be recorded manually. Numerous emails to tech support and no one has gotten a response. And there is no official statement from Snapstream noting the problem. The support boards are full of users though, but not a single tech response.

Kinda irked about the review on anandtech.com when there are this many folks with problems. Especially for the price.
 

commOdog

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ack, i just ordered the "beyondtv/firefly remote/250btv" bundle for 169.

Hope it works out for me! If not, i'll return just the software and give sage a try.

I'm pretty sure they'll work out the issues though with the next release.
 

RossMAN

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Originally posted by: commOdog
I'm pretty sure they'll work out the issues though with the next release.

I'm sure the issues will be "worked out" as well. BUT they should have fully researched, developed and tested the SOFTWARE before releasing the new Roslyn chipset to the public.
 

psxjunky

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Originally posted by: huesmann
I tried 2.0 briefly last night. Didn't see what all the hullabulloo was all about. Took me forever to figure out how to watch live TV. Is there a way to do it as easily as 1.4 by just freaking clicking on the "Live TV" button? If not, I fail to see how it's an improvement.
Try it for a few days to realize its true power ... don't dismiss it after just a few hours of use

I agree that viewing Live TV isn't as obvious as it should be ... you have to click on the "Live TV Guide" button on the main menu and then click on the channel that you want to view. However, there is a "TV" command in Sage that you can assign to any remote button you want ... clicking this brings up live TV right away from any menu.

To do this, go to -- Setup ->Detailed Setup -> Commands -> Link IR/Keystroke to SageTV Command, then select the command "TV" and press any button on your remote that you want to assign this to.
 

psxjunky

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Originally posted by: JohnnyPastrami
New to this PVR stuff and I'm a bit confused, I don't see support for any of the HDTV tuner cards

Am I corect in assuming they don't support them yet? If not, anybody know if and when?

I may not have a complete grasp of what it would take to support HDTV, but in my opionion HDTV recording is the only reason to have a PC PVR at this point.

HDTV recording support is still pretty poor among PVRs ... PC based or not. Sage doesn't support it yet, but take a quick look at their forums forums and you will see this is one of the high priority items coming soon. Many people want this and Frey knows this; so this is something to be supported soon after the 2.0 release ... which means they are probably working on it right now.

BTW, I totally disagree with the statement that HDTV tuner card support is the only reason for PC PVR. There are numerous others - free program guide, ease of archiving shows on DVD, multiple tuner support, ease of adding more hard disk space, integration with complete "media center" type application - these are just a few among many reasons why a PC PVR is a much better option. Case in point, I myself have been a TiVo user for over three years, and I also own a ReplayTV; however, since I started using PC PVRs little over a year back, the TiVo and Replay are simply collecting dust at the corner and the PC PVRs have become my primary TV viewing gadget.
 

RossMAN

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Originally posted by: psxjunky
UPDATE 2 : 5/12/2004

Rumor has it that if you sign up for SageTV's mailing list today, you will get a coupon tomorrow that will allow buying SageTV 2.0 at 1.4 price for some more time.

CONFIRMED!

Thanks I signed up for the mailing list yesterday 5/13 and just received a $20 off coupon via e-mail
 

pcalchemy

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Originally posted by: RossMAN
Originally posted by: psxjunky
UPDATE 2 : 5/12/2004

Rumor has it that if you sign up for SageTV's mailing list today, you will get a coupon tomorrow that will allow buying SageTV 2.0 at 1.4 price for some more time.

CONFIRMED!

Thanks I signed up for the mailing list yesterday 5/13 and just received a $20 off coupon via e-mail
Until 6/1 you can buy SageTV 2.0 from http://www.pcalchemy.com for only $58.95, that's a buck cheaper than the price with coupon. Here's the link:

SageTV 2.0

After 6/1 the price will go to $63.95, still a heck of a deal.
 

coolred

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Hey folks, I am in the process of building a multi tuner PC based PVR/HTPC. I know psxjunky currently has I think a 4 tuner system. I don't know if I will need that many, but if I do is it better to put all 4 in one machine, or shoudl I put like 2 tuners in 2 differant computers? Would this cost more using the sageTV software? I know there are the sageTV software, the client software and the recorder software, not sure of all the differance sin them.

I wasnt to be able to watch a recorded show or even live TV if thats possible on any PC on my network. I am prettys ure sage can do this, just not sure which of those software packages are required to get it done.

One reason i ask is because I had planned to use an Antec Aria for my new system and it only supports up to 3 PCI cards, so that would limit me to a maximum of 3 tuners, thats assuming I have no other PCI cards. So if thats not enough room, then I i will have to use my tower rig as the PVR. Thats not really a problem, I just want to figure out what systemw ill be doing what, so I can get exactly what I need parts wise.

Thanks
 

psxjunky

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Originally posted by: coolred
Hey folks, I am in the process of building a multi tuner PC based PVR/HTPC. I know psxjunky currently has I think a 4 tuner system. I don't know if I will need that many, but if I do is it better to put all 4 in one machine, or shoudl I put like 2 tuners in 2 differant computers?
Yes, I have all 4 tuners in the same machine, but that is definitely not necessary. You can put a few of the tuners in a different machine and use the network encoder feature of Sage. I have not done this myself so I can't tell you the details, but I have seen a few people on the Sage forums mention that they use this feature and it seems to work well for them.

Would this cost more using the sageTV software?
I think you do not need a separate license for the remote machine which has the network tuners, but you should check with someone who has actually done this to make sure this is the case. If my assumption is right, then it should not cost anymore.

There are couple advantages of NOT putting all the tuners in the same machine. You could get by with a smaller machine. Less heat, hence less need for cooling, hence less fan, hence less noise.

I know there are the sageTV software, the client software and the recorder software, not sure of all the differance sin them.
SageTV and Sage Recorder are the two programs that actually allow you to do the recording. Sage Recorder is a "lite" version of SageTV which only allows time based recording ... no guide support. So Sage Recorded is basically nothing more than a digital VCR. SageTV is the full fledged PVR solution allowing guide based as well as time based recording.

SageTV Client is very similar to the full SageTV app as far as look and feel goes, but it doesn't support recording, and hence needs to be used along with the SageTV app. The main purpose of the SageTV client is to put on a second PC in a second room which talks to the main SageTV server and streams shows over your network while allowing you to access the recorded shows using the same SageTV GUI.

Since Sage records the shows in straight MPEG2, you don't really need the SageTV Client program to view the recorded shows; as long as you have access to the drive containing the recorded shows, you can play them using any MPEG2 player, including Windows Media Player.

Check out the Sage product pages for more details.

I wasnt to be able to watch a recorded show or even live TV if thats possible on any PC on my network. I am prettys ure sage can do this, just not sure which of those software packages are required to get it done.
You need SageTV on your main PC to record the shows. To view the recorded shows from a remote PC, you can either play the MPEG2 files directly or use SageTV Client on the remote PC. To view live TV from a remote PC, you must have Sage Client.

One reason i ask is because I had planned to use an Antec Aria for my new system and it only supports up to 3 PCI cards, so that would limit me to a maximum of 3 tuners, thats assuming I have no other PCI cards. So if thats not enough room, then I i will have to use my tower rig as the PVR. Thats not really a problem, I just want to figure out what systemw ill be doing what, so I can get exactly what I need parts wise.

Thanks

Hopefully the above explanation will answer your questions. If you have more questions, let me know or (even better) ask them in the SageTV forums (there are lot more very helpful folks out there in the forums).

Good luck !
 

coolred

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Well I didn't want to take this thread off topic, but my last PM to psxjunky was pretty much posted here, so I guess he doesn't mind. I have yet another question.

Are you guys setting these thing sup as dedicated PVR's or are you also using them for DVD burning, DVD wtaching and other HTPC tasks? Heres the reason i ask. I currently have 1 computer which i use for some gaming, internet, email, word processing and soem other stuff. I will be moving to a 2 floor townhome soon and would prefer this rig be dowstairs on its current desk. I would also think that having the PVR downstairs is a good idea, as that is where my good TV is(still nothign special) and my surround sound, as well as I am not sure if the bedrooms have a cable hookup. But I think it would be nice to still be able to watch the recorded shows and TV upstairs. If I want a dedicated PVR, or at least a dedicated PVR/HTPC/ then I will need it, then my regular rig fro gaming and stuff, then how can i watch shows upstairs?

I was considering building another rig around a duron 650 I have here, but even a barebones computer just to view the shows woudl still cost at least a few hundred bucks I would think. If anyoen is board and wants to PM me some specs, go for it. I was also considering one of those wireless media player things, but don't know much about those and how limited they are.


I need to get this stuff figured out so i can decide on parts. I kinda want to get an Antec Aria or possibly a shuttle, but not sure how those will work if I need to build a third rig. I could get into why, but this post is long enough as it is.


Edit:A thought just popped in my mind that for some odd reason I had forgotten about till now. Would a hacked Xbox be able to do what i want it to? A while ago i was considering getting one for its HTPC like qualities. I can obviously use it as a DVD player, and if I get the wireless net adaptor I can access my network, so assuming the software supports it, whcih i thinkit does. I should be able to stream recorded shows, any idea abotu live TV? I will have to look into this further. Is there really anything the wireless media players offer that a hacked Xbox won't?
 

imported_beyond

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Well, this is a hot deal and an informative post about SageTv...

HTPCnews.com is offering up over $1300 in parts for building your first PVR / HTPC box... four different bundles all including a SageTV Key, SageTV Client Key, Hauppuage PVR250MCE and a StreamZap remote.

Also, posted today over at HTPCnews.com is a review of SageTV... For any believers that Snapstream is the funk, check out SageTV and see what they have to offer.. I think you'll be impressed, I was
 

coolred

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Okay so i decided I am gonna give sages trial version a go before I get totally set on a PC based PVR. I just want to play with it and maybe actually record a show or 2. But my onlt tuner is an AIW Radeon 8500DV. I know it will eat up the CPU, but does it even work with sage? I checked the system requirements and it did list this: ATI eHome Wonder . Does that mean any ATI TV tuner will work? Or am I screwed, or even if it won't work with my card will i still be able to play with the software a bit, or will it not install without a compatiable tuner?
 

coolred

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Nevermind I found the info in that review, hardware encoding cards only. But does that mean I won't be able to install it, or just that I cant actually record anything?

Still looking for answers on my earlier question to.
 

psxjunky

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Originally posted by: coolred
Nevermind I found the info in that review, hardware encoding cards only. But does that mean I won't be able to install it, or just that I cant actually record anything?

Still looking for answers on my earlier question to.
You will be able to install Sage, but you won't be able to assign an input source to record from and hence will not be able to record anything.

You will still be able to check out the interface and other HTPC features of Sage, like music/picture/video album ... but if PVR functionality is what you are looking for, then (IMHO) it doesn't make much sense to try it wihout a hardware encoding card
 

psxjunky

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To answer your earlier questions - you have several options when it comes to a playback only device. The Hauppauge MediaMVP is something you should defintely consider. You can pick it up for about $70-80 (or less, if you can find a rebate, like RadioShack was offering a couple weeks back). This little box is completely noiseless, controllable thru a remote and pulls the recorded files from a SAge server over an ethernet connection (or a wireless Ethernet adapter, if you don't have a Ethernet cable nearby). It also has hardware MPEG2 decoder onboard. Sage is supposed to make a dedicated client for the MVP, but it is not sure when that will be available; once that is available, you can access the full Sage interface thru the MVP, but until then you can still play the recorded shows thru this (I am doing it right now).

A modded Xbox running XBMP or XBMC is another nice (though a bit more expensive) solution; I have tried that too, but in my opinion the MediaMVP works better. I only tried XBMP though ... not the newer XBMC ... so it may be better.

One note of caution about streaming video files over wireless ... you need at least a wireless G. Wireless B with 11Mbps bandwidth is simply not sufficient and you WILL see stuttering when playing files over a wireless B connection.
 

coolred

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Yeah i had already looked at the hauppauge MediaMVP on CNET. It doesn't support wireless eithernet out of the box, so I would I go about setting it up for wireless. It is a bit cheaper then an xbox, especiialy after you consider the cost of moddingt he Xbox, but it is also less functional. But I didn't know about Sage planning on making a client for it. That would be cool.
 

stingygrrl

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I was thinking about getting this to play shows from my PC to my TV. My TV plays in mono, so... it's prob ok.. I'm not a TV enthusiast, I guess

Any thoughts on other solutions/brands/vendors/lower prices??

my video card has S-Video out only
onboard audio on a epox 8RDA+

does anyone use sagewake? I can't really get it setup.
 
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