Hot! Send our troops your support!

[gtd2000]

Originally posted by: sohdahere

Originally posted by: sohdahere
Not a hot deal.

I would like to take this back,
Only because of a discussion I had with a classmate today.
I've come to realize that regardless of whether the war is just or not, our troops still deserve our support.
It is not their fault if (I feel) our leadership is putting their lives on the line without exhausting all other options.
After all, they are still putting their lives on the line for us to do what is told to them as being the best thing for us as a country to do.

Sorry if I offended anyone.
God (or Allah, whatever you wanna use) Bless America.

OK I'm gonna go and get in on this deal now...

Personally, I do not agree in principle with supporting troops whether or not a war is just or not.
Troops should be given full support ONLY when a war is "just" - not when some politician deems it to be beneficial to his or her goals.

If you feel that this potential war is truly "just" (and I'm not judging!) then this may well be a hot deal.

Soldiers ALWAYS have an option when going to war - they do not have to follow orders - as adequately demonstrated by the Iraqi troops in the Gulf War Part I.

Blind allegiance is contrary to a free society IMHO.

Lets just hope that whatever the outcome, things DO goto plan and casualties are kept to the very minimum.

 

[Bacinator]

Originally posted by: TheBloodguard

In accordance with that, the military has the Operation Dear Abby program where you can send messages of support to the troops through email. I'm sure the troops will appreciate all the support they can get.

Just curious if anyone can speak from personal experience concerning email support and if the troops actually read them? They must get thousands if not hundreds of thousands of email support and I can't imagine them actually having the time to read them except for maybe 10 or so unless they have revealing attachments from women Do they hardcopy the emails or what? Divide them up among the platoons?

I've only seen hard-copies, but I was acting postmaster on board the USS-Fitzgerald, during peace-time and September 11th. We get nice letters all the time, and they go to anyone willing to read them. They all find nice "homes" with appreciative sailors. We were only 300 strong, so the emails and other stuff probably goes mostly to the carriers and larger units, and the packages probably go to the troops in the field... That's good though, because they need it more. Not saying we're spoiled on the boat, not pulling in for weeks at a time, but we got enough to keep us happy... And nice letters from home (anonymous or not) are a big morale booster.

Thank you for your support.

Respectfully,
William Mapp
Electronics Technician Second Class (Surface Warfare)
United States Navy

 

[uibd]

 

[sohdahere]

Originally posted by: uibd


And what was it i said when I started this thread? "Let's not turn this into a flame war. " So that means don't cap on this thread, so shut your mouth fool. It's here for support.

You said it yourself not to turn it into a war,
so why tell him he's a fool and to shut his mouth?

Nice double standards.

All of a sudden you can't say what you think is right and be patriotic at the same time.
What is this country coming to???

 

[uibd]

 

[gtd2000]

Originally posted by: uibd

Originally posted by: sohdahere

Originally posted by: uibd


And what was it i said when I started this thread? "Let's not turn this into a flame war. " So that means don't cap on this thread, so shut your mouth fool. It's here for support.

You said it yourself not to turn it into a war,
so why tell him he's a fool and to shut his mouth?

Nice double standards.

All of a sudden you can't say what you think is right and be patriotic at the same time.
What is this country coming to???

It's not a double standard. I told him not to flame, thus don't post inflamitory things about this topic. But that's what he did. I was bringing a MR. T. reference into it.

It is very simple - just like uibd

Nowhere did I flame - you should get a job at BK dude.

 

[Cleaner]

Ladies...ladies...lets keep this civil. Please refrain from the name calling and hair pulling. Just leave it alone. Winning an argument on the internet is like winning a race in the special olympics...in the end your still retarded.

 

[gtd2000]

Uibd,
Actually I should take some of that back as your grasp and usage of the English language would appear to be somewhat limited.

For your level of comprehension here is the main point that I made from my first reply

If you feel that this potential war is truly "just" (and I'm not judging!) then this may well be a hot deal.

Next time you read/listen to information make sure you actually digest and then make a judgement based on what the information actually says. Not your simplistic knee jerk reaction which is totally off.

While you are at it - sign up and give YOUR full support to the war - thats the only real way to prove your allegiance.

I AM a veteran so no need to tell me about it.

This was not a flame - simply enlightening you

 

[bizkit]

This Thread should be a sticky.

 

[TheBloodguard]

Originally posted by: Bacinator

Originally posted by: TheBloodguard

In accordance with that, the military has the Operation Dear Abby program where you can send messages of support to the troops through email. I'm sure the troops will appreciate all the support they can get.

Just curious if anyone can speak from personal experience concerning email support and if the troops actually read them? They must get thousands if not hundreds of thousands of email support and I can't imagine them actually having the time to read them except for maybe 10 or so unless they have revealing attachments from women Do they hardcopy the emails or what? Divide them up among the platoons?

I've only seen hard-copies, but I was acting postmaster on board the USS-Fitzgerald, during peace-time and September 11th. We get nice letters all the time, and they go to anyone willing to read them. They all find nice "homes" with appreciative sailors. We were only 300 strong, so the emails and other stuff probably goes mostly to the carriers and larger units, and the packages probably go to the troops in the field... That's good though, because they need it more. Not saying we're spoiled on the boat, not pulling in for weeks at a time, but we got enough to keep us happy... And nice letters from home (anonymous or not) are a big morale booster.

Thank you for your support.

Respectfully,
William Mapp
Electronics Technician Second Class (Surface Warfare)
United States Navy

Thanks Bacinator for the answer. By the way, we all know that people on the carriers are spoiled. I have seen the videos of them launching watermelons using the catapult and hitting golf balls off the edge of the deck. Off to send my support email.

 

[ArmyInfantry]

"Nobody ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
-George C. Patton

God speed to my brothers in arm over there in the big dust bowl. Come back to us safe guys. We love you.

 

[mriches]

NO IRAQ WAR

PREEMPTIVE WAR IS TERRORISM

SUPPORT OUR TROOPS - SEND THEM HOME


WAR IS NOT A HOT DEAL!

 

[ArmyInfantry]

Originally posted by: gtd 2000
Uibd,
Actually I should take some of that back as your grasp and usage of the English language would appear to be somewhat limited.

For your level of comprehension here is the main point that I made from my first reply

If you feel that this potential war is truly "just" (and I'm not judging!) then this may well be a hot deal.

Next time you read/listen to information make sure you actually digest and then make a judgement based on what the information actually says. Not your simplistic knee jerk reaction which is totally off.

While you are at it - sign up and give YOUR full support to the war - thats the only real way to prove your allegiance.

I AM a veteran so no need to tell me about it.

This was not a flame - simply enlightening you

You know the biggest killer in war is poor moral. If you tell a soldier in the field that you dont appreciate his efforts and that he's a baby killer, he will think twice before pulling that trigger. That hesitation can possibly lead to his parents recieving the purple heart for him. Soldiers have a job and their job is to follow orders. If there is a break down in that, then we be the next Iraqis surrendering during a live fire excerise.

 

[Rocktavio]

Let's support our troops by bringing them home. The whole "Support our troops" theme is just another ploy by the goverment to rally support behind an unjust war. They ask for support for our troops while they are at war...then they come home and nobody offers them any support. We refuse to pay for medical expenses caused by gulf war syndrome, execute them (just recently in Texas) et cetera. They are not asking for support of the troops but instead trying to dupe the American people into supporting this war.

 

[gtd2000]

Originally posted by: ArmyInfantry
You know the biggest killer in war is poor moral. If you tell a soldier in the field that you dont appreciate his efforts and that he's a baby killer, he will think twice before pulling that trigger. That hesitation can possibly lead to his parents recieving the purple heart for him. Soldiers have a job and their job is to follow orders. If there is a break down in that, then we be the next Iraqis surrendering during a live fire excerise.

I must be missing the target here or something

I am not judging the Iraq situation, we supposedly live in a "free" country and are entitled to our own opinions.

I simply stated that our troops should be given our full support only in a war THAT IS JUSTIFIED - I am talking about ANY war not simply the current "situation" in the Middle East. To blindy support troops in an UNJUSTIFIED war is morally and ethically wrong.

If we send our troops into an unjustified war, we're no better than any Nazi/Communist/Extremist force.

It is normally only after the event that the truth comes out - if ever!

For the record I have old buddies/comrades out there right now - and I surely hope they get their arses back in one piece too!

 

[TekDemon]

Originally posted by: uibd

It's not a double standard. I told him not to flame, thus don't post inflamitory things about this topic. But that's what he did. I was bringing a MR. T. reference into it.

I don't think what he posted was a flame. More that he was simply saying that he doesn't believe it makes sense that we have to give people 100% support for wars we might not believe to be just.

Nonetheless, regardless of any political feelings I may have, I hope all our troops that they get out of there a-ok.

 

[TekDemon]

Originally posted by: gtd 2000

If we send our troops into an unjustified war, we're no better than any Nazi/Communist/Extremist force.

It is normally only after the event that the truth comes out - if ever!

For the record I have old buddies/comrades out there right now - and I surely hope they get their arses back in one piece too!

I think I basically agree with this...since if you support the troops regardless, one day you might end up like the Germans after WWII...when you realize everything went to hell with you supporting them blindly.
But again, I do hope they all make it back a-ok =)

 

[cheapgoose]

Originally posted by: Rocktavio
Let's support our troops by bringing them home. The whole "Support our troops" theme is just another ploy by the goverment to rally support behind an unjust war. They ask for support for our troops while they are at war...then they come home and nobody offers them any support. We refuse to pay for medical expenses caused by gulf war syndrome, execute them (just recently in Texas) et cetera. They are not asking for support of the troops but instead trying to dupe the American people into supporting this war.

i do hope that every single one of our friends/family come back home alive and healthy!

 

[RubberDuckyBK]

Originally posted by: cheapgoose

Originally posted by: Rocktavio
Let's support our troops by bringing them home. The whole "Support our troops" theme is just another ploy by the goverment to rally support behind an unjust war. They ask for support for our troops while they are at war...then they come home and nobody offers them any support. We refuse to pay for medical expenses caused by gulf war syndrome, execute them (just recently in Texas) et cetera. They are not asking for support of the troops but instead trying to dupe the American people into supporting this war.

i do hope that every single one of our friends/family come back home alive and healthy!

How about the Iraqi civilians? The (unwilling) Iraqi soldiers? Seems like they'll probably need our prayers a whole lot more than the US military...

 

[eralkal]

You cannot tell people to support our troops in an unjust war and then ask no one to disagree or flame you. This is absolutely the place to express our dissent for war. Right now, every place is appropriate to try to dispell the myth that dissent is patriotic and that war is justified to protect our oil interests. I don't want my friends in the military to die in Iraq...that's why I want the war to end now.

We must all remember that this is a volunteer army...these soldiers are choosing to kill civilians every time they bomb a water treatment plant (which they will, as they did in the last war). These "brave troops" need to be a bit braver and make different choices. I believe in them...I believe they can say "no" and even be imprisoned for resisting the war.

I took this "hot deal" and used it to spread my personal message to the troops. Here is what I sent to the various branches:

"Thousands of people around the world have been brave enough to disobey orders to stand by their beliefs, even if it meant to be arrested. I call upon members of the US military to disobey their orders and not fight. Anti-war protestors being arrested on the streets for expressing their views are the true heroes. I hope you can find the courage to resist. If they are brave enough to risk arrest by disobeying the government, I think you can to. I do not support any man or woman who kills in my name. Show some courage and disobey. This war is wrong."

If they murder civilians because someone told them too or by accident, they are murderers.

 

[Rocktavio]

Bravo eralkal!

Sing along if you want: I denounce my government. I denounce the man called George W. Bush. He is not president of the United States of America. His views and actions have nothing to do with what I hold dear.

 

[corinthos]

Operation Liberty Shield is underway...

 

[dannybek]

[Taken from another post]
To those who don't want war, answer this question with these thoughts in mind.
1 The gas attack against the Kurds.
2 The invasion against Kuwait.
3 Gaining power by killing political opponents.
How exactly will leaving Saddam in power, promote peace and justice in Iraq?

 

[uibd]

 

[uibd]