HOT Tivo Turbonet Network card $40.99 shipped

Marauder- · May 13, 2003

Originally posted by: jedidrw
What exactly does the cache card do? How much would it cost?

Well - our Series 1 Tivos have a limited amount of ram - 16 or 32mb - I can't really recall. But unlike our current comp setups - they don't have ram slots to add in additional ram - it's all soldered onto the board. Before the CacheCards people would have to solder on an additional bit of ram which is extremely difficult and could only be done by people proficient w/ soldering irons. The CacheCard just plugs into the IDE cable and is a PCB w/ a slot to insert a stick of PC133.

What is the point of have one?

Well - the menu loads / program guide data will be immensely improved. All that sluggishness will be in the past. And if you have old clunker PCs lying around it won't be hard to find a stick of PC133. Cost wise - it's $90 at 9thtee which is ridiculous. I would estimate it to be had just as cheaply as this TurboNet.

Robzila · May 13, 2003

I also ordered an adapter. I am anxious to get things rocking on my Tivo box!!

DanT · May 13, 2003

2 more ordered! $78.59 delivered Priority Mail. But I too got the failed redirect screen to "register" my sale. Hopefully that's just cosmetic and won't delay my order.

Steve0 · May 13, 2003

I'll be in for the Aironet card when that becomes available, so I don't have to run a wire from room to room. I'll be watching this forum for the announcement. Thanks, XtremeTiVo!

Steve

ericboo · May 13, 2003

Just ordered one for my DirecTivo. I was thinking about this last year but the price was too high to justify, but this is worth it. Now I am waiting for my father to move and hopefully get digital cable so I can snag the lifetime DSR6000 I bought him last Christmas

I have the link to install but am curious if us DirecTivo 1 users have version 3.0 software. Last time I checked it was 2.5 and that was a while ago.

Zaknafein · May 13, 2003

I think everyone should know that these cards are not authorized. Nick Kelsey, aka Jafa was the orignal designer of the Turbonet board. Xtremetivo essentially stole his design and software, and is undercutting him.

The only places online that sell legitimate Turbonet boards are 9th Tee Enterprises, and PTVUpgrade.

There is a thread about this on the TiVo Community Forum. Unfortunately, the forum is down, so I am unable to link to it.

Toddlizzle · May 13, 2003

Originally posted by: Zaknafein
I think everyone should know that these cards are not authorized. Nick Kelsey, aka Jafa was the orignal designer of the Turbonet board. Xtremetivo essentially stole his design and software, and is undercutting him.

The only places online that sell legitimate Turbonet boards are 9th Tee Enterprises, and PTVUpgrade.

There is a thread about this on the TiVo Community Forum. Unfortunately, the forum is down, so I am unable to link to it.

Maybe they shouldn't have priced them so damn high then. And look at what we're talking about. All of this is in a definite grey area. Until Nick takes Xtremetivo to court and wins, I'll keep buying there.

Rufio · May 13, 2003

Originally posted by: Zaknafein
I think everyone should know that these cards are not authorized. Nick Kelsey, aka Jafa was the orignal designer of the Turbonet board. Xtremetivo essentially stole his design and software, and is undercutting him.

The only places online that sell legitimate Turbonet boards are 9th Tee Enterprises, and PTVUpgrade.

There is a thread about this on the TiVo Community Forum. Unfortunately, the forum is down, so I am unable to link to it.

Welcome to the AT boards, Nick.

Zaknafein · May 13, 2003

I'm just letting everyone know. Those are the facts.

Nick designed the board and wrote the software. How would you feel if someone came and stole your work?

(and no, I am not affiliated with Nick, 9thtee or PTVupgarde in any way)

sat4fun · May 13, 2003

Originally posted by: Zaknafein
I think everyone should know that these cards are not authorized. Nick Kelsey, aka Jafa was the orignal designer of the Turbonet board. Xtremetivo essentially stole his design and software, and is undercutting him.

The only places online that sell legitimate Turbonet boards are 9th Tee Enterprises, and PTVUpgrade.

There is a thread about this on the TiVo Community Forum. Unfortunately, the forum is down, so I am unable to link to it.

I just love when hackers get hacked and then complain, it just doesn't make sense. I have been interested in one of these for over a year, but not at those prices. God bless hacker hackers.

stultus · May 13, 2003

Maybe somebody should drop prices to remain competitive.

Rufio · May 13, 2003

if those other companies came in the board, offered competitive pricing, and customer service, i'd order from them.

smigs · May 13, 2003

I can understand that the creator should get credit, but it is not like XtremeTivo is taking Nick's design and calling it their own. I hate to say it, but 99% of the people are going to buy the lower priced one no matter how you slice it.

smigs

Zaknafein · May 13, 2003

That is, in fact, exactly what they are doing. The design is Nick's, as is the software. I see nowhere on their site any mention of the original author.

Had they simply reverse engineered the board, written their own software, and given it a new name, that would be one thing. They duplicated the design, requiring virtually no R&D of their own, and are using drivers that they didn't write, without credit to the true author.

No wonder they can afford to sell them for less, they didn't actually /DO/ anything.

BigPlastic · May 13, 2003

Was there a copyright on the hardware design? And isn't the software obsolete now? AFAIK, the support for the board is built into the 3.0 software.

I had considered doing extraction using PPP over the serial port, but I decided it would be too slow. This price drop made me jump. I also took this as an opportunity to plan a cat5 and additional coax installation for the house. I think XtremeTivo's shipping is going to beat my installation though (used paypal yesterday and got the ship notification last night).

ericboo · May 13, 2003

I have come across a few hacking sites with all sorts of info and downloads, but it is still somewhat uneasy for the newbie like me. I have the MSF backup tools but am not going to install a new drive as of yet. That will be reserved as a backup drive after my crash last week.

If I am not mistaken and maybe someone can clarify, if you have version 3.0 on your series 1 Directivo, the drivers are already installed and you do not have to install the drive in your computer? There is so much info that it can get overwhelming.

BigPlastic · May 13, 2003

You don't have to pull the drive out if all you are looking to do is enable program guide downloads over the net instead of the phone line. You can put the card in and change your dialing prefix in TiVo setup. If you want to install TivoWeb or extract your recordings, you have to pull the drive out at least once to get the software on it using your PC.

ericboo · May 13, 2003

BigPlastic,

Thanks for the reply. I intially want to get it up and working before trying out telnet and Tivoweb. So you are saying that I don't need to do a driver install for the Turbonet card? I will have to check my version when I get home.

Zaknafein · May 13, 2003

The software is not obsolete, it is just bundled. When the board was first being developed. Jafa met with TiVo, and arranged for Turbonet drivers to be part of the 3.x distribution.

sync · May 13, 2003

After reading the installation info I have the impression that in order to extract files you have to also enable program guide downloads over the net instead of the phone line. I want to do extraction but continue to use the phone line for guide data.

Marauder- · May 13, 2003

Originally posted by: Zaknafein
That is, in fact, exactly what they are doing. The design is Nick's, as is the software. I see nowhere on their site any mention of the original author.

Had they simply reverse engineered the board, written their own software, and given it a new name, that would be one thing. They duplicated the design, requiring virtually no R&D of their own, and are using drivers that they didn't write, without credit to the true author.

No wonder they can afford to sell them for less, they didn't actually /DO/ anything.

Well - since all of this stuff is coming from China anyways, it will get stolen eventually. As for reverse engineering it, that's probably what they did. That does suck but then again, 9thtee has been charging outrageous monopolistic prices over them for the past year and a half.

Xtremetivo · May 13, 2003

Zaknafein

You make it sound like this is the first time something was copyed. Same product lower prices, welcome to the USA. So get over it, next time get a patent. Or don't rip everyone for 69.25 + 10 gound shipping. For a 8 dollar network card.

stamasd · May 13, 2003

Really? It's not the first time something was copied, you say. Does this make it right? No, it's still theft. :|

But don't worry. Keep doing this. Then people won't have any motivation to create anymore, so you'll eventually be left with nothing to steal.

I sincerely hope that some day you get a real idea, and make a product of your own - then someone comes along and steals it from you. But I guess that won't happen, you don't have the brains to do it. No siree.

Have a nice life.

Xtremetivo · May 13, 2003

Originally posted by: stamasd
Really? It's not the first time something was copied, you say. Does this make it right? No, it's still theft. :|

But don't worry. Keep doing this. Then people won't have any motivation to create anymore, so you'll eventually be left with nothing to steal.

I sincerely hope that some day you get a real idea, and make a product of your own - then someone comes along and steals it from you. But I guess that won't happen, you don't have the brains to do it. No siree.

Have a nice life.

Does it make it right, I don't see any laws that make it theft. I personally don't have a problem with it, there are tons ways to protect your products. If you don't thats your own problem. These are just the facts. Competition is a fact of life. Reverse engineering is a fact of life. You can be as mad as you want. I'll be fine.

So you think that everything design and built to comes from the gound up., yea and Microsoft was started by bill gates along. Old bill never took anything, Sure! But what do I know I have no brains.

stamasd · May 13, 2003

Whatever.

Just everyone who buys from this guy, be aware that you are helping a criminal. It may come back to haunt you eventually.

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