Hotel construction project (updated nov 26)

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stormkroe

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Update July 26
I'm not really sure if I should put new pics at the top or bottom. I'll side with our instant-gratification nature and put them at the top for quick-viewing.
It's been a LONG time since my last update, lots of things have happened and I've been (still am) ridiculously busy. I've been wanting to update this thread, however, so here's some more pics.

This is the Lobby. The first floor is over engineered with double, staggered, 2x4 walls on 8 inch centers. They also overlap each other a bit, so that means effectively 4 inch centers. The stud itself eats up 1.4 inches of that center to center, so they wind up being so close together that you can't really even fit your hand between the studs. Imagine how fun it is to drill. I wound up buying a 4 foot spade bit and a 4 foot extension, and just drill in from the end of the wall from the hallway


In Canadia, we have to vapour barrier all buildings on the inside. It's dry here in this part of Alberta (not sure if the other parts are or not), plus most of the year is in 'heat your house' mode, so moisture is constantly trying to get OUT of the house. These 'poly hats', like the one around this 4x4 box, have to go around every box on exterior walls and ceilings. The buildings wind up being super air-tight as a result.


Here's an example of how I, and my foremen, teach our apprentices to 'cut in' boxes. It's something that will never been seen once the drywall is on, but it goes along way to building a reputation of quality with general contractors.



This is what helped us from dying of exposure, 1.2 million BTU boiler with rads at several places along the first floor. It was still cold, but much better to work at -20C than -30C.


This is a pic of typical suite branch circuits. These days yellow wire denotes 12 gauge, orange denotes 10 gauge. No crooked or spiraling wires are allowed.



All those branch circuits go to the mechanical room on their respective floors. We have sub panels there, fed from the Main Distribution Panel on the first floor (for this project it's 2000 amps, 208/120v 3 phase). From the MDP, we sub feed with aluminum cable, called ACWU up here. It's exactly like BX, only coated with a weather-proof, bury-rated jacket.



We then drop them into the tubs through 2 inch rigid conduit, which makes it an acceptable fire-stop (plus it looks nicer).

 

stormkroe

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Somewhat unrelated, they decided to bury ducts in concrete for the first floor in order to save height. It looks like asking for trouble to me, but I guess time will tell.



Now onto some of the requested screw ups.
Most of the pool building blew over in a high-wind storm.
The plumbers and HVAC guys have so far destroyed enough wire through solder burning or cutting that it's cost me (THEM) 36 man-hours to fix.



And a guy fell out of the 4th floor window while trying to get the last bucket of no-burn off the forks of the telehandler. The box that the operator lifted them in wasn't secured to the lift in any way, and when the poor guys stepped out to reach it, the entire thing flipped over with him in it. The box saved his life, though, because there was a garbage bin right below him and if the box hadn't flipped him out he would have landed half-and-half style on the wall of the bin. As it is, he suffered a crushed pelvis and will probably walk in pain for the rest of his life. Notice the toe-clinching way the box is 'wedged' onto the wall of the bin?



That's all for now, the project is actually further along than in these pics, but these are the newest ones I have since I've been dealing with our grocery store project for 87 days straight.
Will update sooner than last time.
Thanks
 

local

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Not bad. But hospitals are where the money is at, at least for us HVAC and Plumbing guys.

And a guy fell out of the 4th floor window while trying to get the last bucket of no-burn off the forks of the telehandler. The box that the operator lifted them in wasn't secured to the lift in any way, and when the poor guys stepped out to reach it, the entire thing flipped over with him in it. The box saved his life, though, because there was a garbage bin right below him and if the box hadn't flipped him out he would have landed half-and-half style on the wall of the bin. As it is, he suffered a crushed pelvis and will probably walk in pain for the rest of his life. Notice the toe-clinching way the box is 'wedged' onto the wall of the bin?

Holy shit! Worst I've seen yet was a dumbass electrician wiring a hot to the neutral in the main box and frying his buddy a bit.
 

notposting

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Annnnnd that's why you tie the hell off, kids. Safety safety safety. Get home safe and sound every day.

Actually, pretty much any place I've been at, they might use the telehandler to get loads up the second floor (and generally just slide em into a loading area as well) and past that you're either hoofing it up the stairs or praying they get an elevator running.
 

local

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Our guys have to tie off if going up a ladder more than 4 ft. We also have to be tied off if within 15' of a building edge without a barrier.
 

Ns1

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Yeah I'm guessing a few safety violations were made there?
 

stormkroe

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Yeah I'm guessing a few safety violations were made there?

Yeah, it's actually VERY strict here. We have OH&S instead of OSHA, but it's all very similar. Every year there's talk of outlawing ladders lol. Everyone would have to use those 1 man electric lifts. I'm sure it wouldn't raise building costs that much
I miss the good ol' days of working in missoura, 3 ladders stacked on top of each other leaning over a tank of poisonous sharks, making $2.79/hr. People are too soft these days...
 

Red Squirrel

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Wow that electrical work is so nice and clean! Also is it now code to use those poly hats for electrical boxes? Makes a lot of sense to me. Got thermal imaging done in my house and pretty much all the outlets were huge sources of heat loss. It's bad enough that they cut into the insulation but often there's no proper vapour barrier behind them. Vapour barrier is practically just as important as insulation really. You can have all the insulation in the world but if it's not air tight you're losing lot of heat anyway.
 

Dr. Zaus

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Wow that electrical work is so nice and clean! Also is it now code to use those poly hats for electrical boxes? Makes a lot of sense to me. Got thermal imaging done in my house and pretty much all the outlets were huge sources of heat loss. It's bad enough that they cut into the insulation but often there's no proper vapour barrier behind them. Vapour barrier is practically just as important as insulation really. You can have all the insulation in the world but if it's not air tight you're losing lot of heat anyway.

You could just live somewhere you don't have to fight for survival every year...
 

Exterous

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Somewhat unrelated, they decided to bury ducts in concrete for the first floor in order to save height. It looks like asking for trouble to me, but I guess time will tell.

Yeah - having seen the types of problems buried duct work can cause I would agree with you

That fall though....
 

Murloc

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it's interesting that you have to use heaters in construction sites.

If I moved to Canada I'd die the first winter.
 

twinrider1

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First time in the thread. Thanks for sharing.

Have you found any commercial building techniques that you'd like to use in residential, building your own home?
 
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