House gives 9/11 victims capacity to sue Saudi Arabia in US courts for 9/11.

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Jan 25, 2011
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More than enough votes to override the veto in both the house and senate. Can't wait until victims of drone strikes start suing the U.S. In their courts.
 

hal2kilo

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Feb 24, 2009
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If would be delightfully ironic if some of the first foreign lawsuits were against US gun manufacturers. Oh now you are paying attention?
 
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zinfamous

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Jul 12, 2006
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Ah, this must be that American exceptionalism that republicans jerk off to so much.

....I think they are in for a rude awaking. Or, not--the lawsuits directed at the US and our citizens from outside will only start appearing in the next couple of years, so republicans (OK, congress--seems plenty of dems supported this dumbass bill) can safely blame Hillary, yet again.
 

JSt0rm

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So I havent followed this thing. Does this bill allow foreign citizens to sue us or is it just the 9/11 peeps suing saude only?
 

zinfamous

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Jul 12, 2006
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Is Harry Reid the only Democrat in the Senate?

Are you replying to me? I believe Schumar or whatever-his-name from NY is also a big supporter, and there were many others....or is Reid rejecting this bill? I don't know.

It is bills like this which allow voters to clearly define what kind of person votes for what is right and smart for the country, vs what is pure pandering for votes. Yes, I understand that the job of a congresscritter is to support their constituents, but there are also situations where your vote is meant to serve the country (and your constituents) above their rather poor judgement at time.

This is a sympathy trap sort of bill that really should never have been considered. It's easy to want to find a way to nail the Saudis for 9/11--I get that, I'd love for that to happen--but this bill is beyond stupid. It is incredibly dangerous. You have to be the bigger person as a congresscritter and understand that supporting this type of bill is anathema to the job you signed up for.
 
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Mandres

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This is a bizarre one - is anyone familiar with the legislation? Do U.S. citizens/corporations have the right to sue foreign governments ordinarily? One poster suggested the answer is yes - if so, what does this bill change exactly?

This seems like a diplomatic nightmare waiting to happen to me. What happens if a foreign government says "fuck off" and ignores the court's orders? Is the federal govt obligated to intervene?
 

Knowing

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Mar 18, 2014
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Are you replying to me? I believe Schumar or whatever-his-name from NY is also a big supporter, and there were many others....or is Reid rejecting this bill? I don't know.

It is bills like this which allow voters to clearly define what kind of version votes for what is right and smart for the country, vs what is pure pandering for votes. Yes, I understand that the job of a congresscritter is to support their constituents, but there are also situations where your vote is meant to serve the country (and your constituents) above their rather poor judgement at time.

This is a sympathy trap sort of bill that really should never have been considered. It's easy to want to find a way to nail the Saudis for 9/11--I get that, I'd love for that to happen--but this bill is beyond stupid. It is incredibly dangerous. You have to be the bigger person as a congresscritter and understand that supporting this type of bill is anathema to the job you signed up for.
I wasn't replying to anyone specifically. Just noting that Harry Reid was the only nay vote in the Senate. If my sources are correct, no one debated the bill this time around. Support is bipartisan.
 
Dec 10, 2005
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I wasn't replying to anyone specifically. Just noting that Harry Reid was the only nay vote in the Senate. If my sources are correct, no one debated the bill this time around. Support is bipartisan.
No one really debated it the first time either. It seems like bipartisan support only so that people won't have ads run against them: "So and so failed to support 9/11 families..."

“I do want to say I don’t think the Senate nor House has functioned in an appropriate manner as it relates to a very important piece of legislation,” said Mr. Corker, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, who presumably could have played a role in the hearings and debate he said went lacking. “I have tremendous concerns about the sovereign immunity procedures that would be set in place by the countries as a result of this vote,” which he then cast.
http://nyti.ms/2cVX6aT

I will note that it's amazing how fast they all got on board for this fiasco compared with the foot dragging when it came time for putting money on the table instead of empty flag waving (i.e. the passing the initial Zadroga Act and its subsequent renewal).
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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I wasn't replying to anyone specifically. Just noting that Harry Reid was the only nay vote in the Senate. If my sources are correct, no one debated the bill this time around. Support is bipartisan.

ah, OK interesting. Wow, the only one with any balls is Reid, eh? strange.
 
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