House gives 9/11 victims capacity to sue Saudi Arabia in US courts for 9/11.

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Atreus21

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They're called "safe seats"... IOW, that politician isn't facing a serious reelection threat and/or their constituents agree/don't care, so they can support/oppose something as they wish. Politicians in locations with competitive contests (both R's & D's) fall for this crap just about every time. You know, all's fair in politics...

BTW, I'm not asserting that this happened but that it's one political possibility (of many)... one that's been used, successfully and unsuccessfully, a lot in the past.

Whether that's true or not, there's a third point to be made.

Republicans have on several occasions tried to force Democrats into votes like this and it hasn't worked. Remember Cruz's government shut down over Obamacare? Democrats refused to vote for it, Cruz trotted out the "you're holding the government hostage to maintain Obamacare" and Democrats essentially said "No, you are doing the opposite." And the Republicans looked like fools. They've tried this on several occasions and always end up looking like fools.

If this was indeed the plan, to force the democrats to vote in favor or allow Republicans to run with "See?! They prioritize the Saudis over 9/11 victims", I think the republicans would've gotten about as much mileage out of that as they did last time with that tactic: Zero.

Congressional democrats haven't folded to this tactic before, and I can't see how they would now. Especially at the price of overriding the veto of their favorite president.
 

DrDoug

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I think the republicans would've gotten about as much mileage out of that as they did last time with that tactic: Zero.

You say this like that would stop them. Get real...lol! Made me laugh though, thanks.
 

chowderhead

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So they were Saudi. What does that mean with respect to the concern that the Saudi government was involved in 9/11?


The White House has actually threatened to veto it. If he didn't sign it and Congress is in session, it \becomes law.

So, let the 9/11 families sue in court and figure out/prove if the Saudi government had a role in 9/11. If they did not, the courts should rule in favor of the Saudi government. Remember that the families of those that died in the Pan Am Flight 103 bombing over Lockerbie lobbied AND changed the laws so they could sue the government of Libya. The lawsuits forced the Libyan government to admit responsibility and they paid out nearly 2.7 billion dollars.
 

UglyCasanova

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Didn't read the thread but this is a terrible idea that's going to blow up in our faces. Americans are going to be exposed to lawsuits from all of our shenanigans abroad. I'm sure lawyers are salivating.
 

pcgeek11

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Seems reasonably likely to me. What explanation do you have for Congress overriding the president's veto and then immediately whining about the unintended consequences of their own actions?

The only reason that they passed the veto override is for VOTES. Just like they always do. They were afraid that the people wanted the ability to sue and would hold it against them if they didn't override the veto. Seems much more likely than your tin foil theory.
 

pcgeek11

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Was your fainting couch nearby? I sure hope so as I would hate to hear that you were injured when you threw yourself on it and instead hit the ground.

Are you familiar with the idea of legislation proposed by one party that's crafted to make the other side look bad? It happens around election time quite regularly. Defunding Planned Parenthood, defunding Obamacare, outlawing abortion, you know... stuff like that. Your side sure has decried Democrats doing it so I would think you might have heard of such a thing. Or is it just that it's reality if someone speculates that Democrats do it but a conspiracy theory if someone speculates that Republicans may have done it?

Still, thanks for the laugh... you calling someone out for what you call a conspiracy theory is fucking hilarious... I'm still laughing.

Your theory is moronic at best.
 

Atreus21

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You say this like that would stop them. Get real...lol! Made me laugh though, thanks.

Not the point. The point is that democrats haven't shown to be fearful of this tactic in the past, so why should they now?
 

DrDoug

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Not the point. The point is that democrats haven't shown to be fearful of this tactic in the past, so why should they now?

Exactly... I never said it had to be effective, nor have all of their attempts in the past worked. The tactic isn't exclusively aimed at Democrats (or opposing party) running for office, it's also red meat for the constituents who are believers.

I can't believe there are people who think they are politically aware and haven't noticed this crap... wow. It's old school politicking... real old school.
 

senseamp

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And the lawsuits are starting:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ow-sues-saudi-arabia-over-her-husband-s-death
A woman widowed when her husband was killed at the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001 sued the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia just two days after Congress enacted legislation allowing Americans to sue foreign governments for allegedly playing a role in terrorist attacks on U.S. soil.
That's how you destroy an decades old alliance in a failed attempt to score cheap political points.
 

bshole

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And the lawsuits are starting:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ow-sues-saudi-arabia-over-her-husband-s-death

That's how you destroy an decades old alliance in a failed attempt to score cheap political points.

An alliance with the country MOST responsible for international Islamic terrorism. A country that gave birth and nurtures Wahhabism. A country that is actively goading American leaders into taking out Assad. A country that is actively supporting Islamist "freedom fighters" in Syria. I would love to see the alliance utterly destroyed and the influence of dirty Saudi money forever removed from American politics. Ditto for all the fucked up "charities" the Saudis fund around the world which foster and promote Islamic extremism. Matter of fact, fuck Saudi Arabia altogether.


http://www.salon.com/2016/01/06/sau..._u_s_relationship_with_the_theocratic_nation/

“Everybody’s worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there’s a really easy way: stop participating in it.” So advised world-renowned public intellectual Noam Chomsky, one of the most cited thinkers in human history.

The counsel may sound simple and intuitive — that’s because it is. But when it comes to Saudi Arabia, the U.S. ignores it.

Saudi Arabia is the world’s leading sponsor of Islamic extremism. It is also a close U.S. ally. This contradiction, although responsible for a lot of human suffering, is frequently ignored. Yet it recently plunged back into the limelight with the Saudi monarchy’s largest mass execution in decades.

On Jan. 2, Saudi Arabia beheaded 47 people across 13 cities. Among the executed was cleric Nimr al-Nimr, a leader from the country’s Shia religious minority who was arrested for leading peaceful protests against the regime in 2011-12.

Sheikh al-Nimr was known throughout the Islamic world for his staunch opposition to sectarianism. The outspoken Saudi dissident firmly insisted that Sunnis and Shias are not enemies, and should unite against the sectarian regimes oppressing them. “The oppressed should unite together against the oppressors, instead of becoming tools in the hands of the oppressors,” he declared.

By executing a dissident who challenged sectarianism, the Saudi monarchy was only further fomenting it.

Human rights organizations condemned the executions. Amnesty International said the Saudi regime is “using the death penalty in the name of counter-terror to settle scores and crush dissidents,” sentencing activists “to death after grossly unfair trials.” Amnesty called this “a monstrous and irreversible injustice.”

Yet atrocities like the mass beheadings are by no means new in Saudi Arabia. What is new is the global attention to them.

Ali Mohammed al-Nimr, the nephew of the murdered cleric, was arrested at age 17 for attending a peaceful pro-democracy protest in 2012. He was allegedly tortured, before being sentenced to death by beheading and crucifixion.

Saudi Arabia is one of the last places on the planet where crucifixions are still practiced — ordered by the government itself.

In recent years, the Saudi monarchy has also arrested at least two other peaceful teenage pro-democracy activists and sentenced them to death.

Furthermore, a Palestinian poet was sentenced to death by Saudi Arabia in November for renouncing Islam and criticizing the royal family.

In 2015, the Saudi regime executed 158 people, largely by beheading. On average, approximately half (47 percent) of people executed in Saudi Arabia are killed for drug-related offenses, according to Amnesty International. Every four days, then, on average, the Saudi monarchy executes someone for drugs — while its own princes are caught with thousands of pounds of drugs at foreign airports.

Journalist Abby Martin devoted an episode of her show “The Empire Files” to exploring the Saudi-U.S. relationship. The episode, aptly titled “Inside Saudi Arabia: Butchery, Slavery & History of Revolt,” displays the brutality of the monarchy in excruciating detail.

“If the Saudi kingdom were an enemy of the U.S. government, we’d be shown these images and facts every day on the mainstream media,” Martin observes.

The internal repression and human rights abuses inside Saudi Arabia is one thing. Perhaps even more troubling, however, is the monarchy’s support for violent religious extremism. It is here that Chomsky’s advice on stopping terrorism becomes so important. By continually aligning itself with the Saudi regime, the U.S. is fueling the very fire it is fighting in the so-called War on Terror.
 

senseamp

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The same Congress just approved a massive arms sale to the Saudis. So they don't have a leg to stand on.
 

IronWing

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The same Congress just approved a massive arms sale to the Saudis. So they don't have a leg to stand on.
I never said that Congress critters weren't scum, just that they did a good thing in case. Not as good as going after the House of Saud themselves but better than what the status quo had been.
 

Sunburn74

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Sonikku

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This has to be one of the worst congresses in memory. This is the stuff of the Onion but it's real.
 
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