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Thump553

Lifer
Jun 2, 2000
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I still don't understand the basis for the belief that Dems are cheating in elections. Is that just projection as well, or do they have some kind of 'evidence' they are using to back up this belief?

Or is it just an excuse?

Sixty one lost lawsuits-quite a few of which were presided over by judges appointed by Trump, is pretty solid evidence that Trump/GOP/Q Party had not even a scintilla of actual evidence to support their baseless claims.
 
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sactoking

Diamond Member
Sep 24, 2007
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As are the emails between The Dump and his attorneys in which they acknowledge that their figures are wrong but they attested to them in court anyway.
 
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Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
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Thomas specifically named as key part of delaying the 2020 election certification, according to Trump lawyer


“We want to frame things so that Thomas could be the one to issue” a temporary order putting Georgia’s results in doubt, Trump attorney Kenneth Chesebro wrote in a December 31, 2020, email, adding that a favorable order from Thomas was their “only chance” to hold up Congress from counting electoral votes for Biden from Georgia.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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Thomas specifically named as key part of delaying the 2020 election certification, according to Trump lawyer

I find this so enraging. We know Thomas is a part of this. They know Thomas is a part of this. Yet we are supposed to pretend he’s an impartial judge.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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Now that a judge has appointed an independent monitor, Trump's response is as predictable as always...

[
Engoron also prohibited the Trump Organization — as well as the former president, Donald Jr., Ivanka and Eric Trump — from transferring any non-cash assets without providing at least two weeks' notice to the court and James' office.

"A Radical Left Lunatic Judge in New York City, who controls a newspaper dedicated largely to defaming me, who was appointed, & is controlled by, my worst political enemies, & whose purpose was to just do preliminary motions & preparatory work on a case brought by the corrupt and highly partisan Attorney General of New York State prior to being routinely sent to the Commercial Division of the Supreme Court, is refusing to let go of the case," he wrote in the post. "[Engoron] is a partisan disaster. A Rigged & Corrupt System!"
 

sportage

Lifer
Feb 1, 2008
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Committee or no committee, all will come to an end after republicans regain control. Oh sure, there will be committees and investigations but not concerning Trump. Or concerning insurrectionist.
And remember how MEGA love to rewrite history. So not only will the investigation end, the conclusions and facts discovered will also disappear from record. IT NEVER HAPPENED.

My MEGA sister actually said just yesterday, "I can't believe they wasted millions on that investigation."
Naturally, I had to remind her of Ken Starr.

I'm wondering.... is it possible for a republican controlled congress to grant pardons to insurrections? How about passing a new law granting congress such power? Then, preceding to hand out the pardons.
Shit, I probably should not have mentioned this. I wouldn't want to put ideas into their heads.
 

eelw

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Dec 4, 1999
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How about passing a new law granting congress such power? Then, preceding to hand out the pardons.
Shit, I probably should not have mentioned this. I wouldn't want to put ideas into their heads.
Remember if Dems lose both the house and senate, Biden will veto any bill. So they can’t do any further harm that way. But yeah total waste of 2 years if this happens.
 
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JTsyo

Lifer
Nov 18, 2007
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Committee or no committee, all will come to an end after republicans regain control. Oh sure, there will be committees and investigations but not concerning Trump. Or concerning insurrectionist.
And remember how MEGA love to rewrite history. So not only will the investigation end, the conclusions and facts discovered will also disappear from record. IT NEVER HAPPENED.

My MEGA sister actually said just yesterday, "I can't believe they wasted millions on that investigation."
Naturally, I had to remind her of Ken Starr.

I'm wondering.... is it possible for a republican controlled congress to grant pardons to insurrections? How about passing a new law granting congress such power? Then, preceding to hand out the pardons.
Shit, I probably should not have mentioned this. I wouldn't want to put ideas into their heads.
GOP control of Congress won't stop whatever the DOJ has going. Even the Jan 6th committee couldn't do anything other than refer it to the DOJ.
 
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Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
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hahaha i'm surprised these lawyers can put this argument forth with a straight face

long-held precedent and practice maintain that separation of powers prohibits Congress from compelling a President to testify before it.
 

NWRMidnight

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Jun 18, 2001
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hahaha i'm surprised these lawyers can put this argument forth with a straight face
they are telling us they failed Civics in High school and don't have a grasp on how the checks and balances work in our government, without directly stating so.. They Probably should look into taking some courses on our constitution... what a bunch of idiots..
 

fskimospy

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hahaha i'm surprised these lawyers can put this argument forth with a straight face
I think it is correct that congress cannot force the president to testify. The thing is Trump isn’t the president.
 

NWRMidnight

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I think it is correct that congress cannot force the president to testify. The thing is Trump isn’t the president.
The checks and balances along with the authority granted to Congress by the US Constitution to do so is implied.. It is a basic requirement for a checks and balance system to work.. However, I am sure it's one of many questions that the scholars and experts would argue back and forth on with no real clear answer.
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
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I think it is correct that congress cannot force the president to testify. The thing is Trump isn’t the president.
fair point, but why can almost any other executive officer be brought forth to testify *except* the president? doesn't make sense to say that everyone within the entire executive branch except 1 person can be forced to testify before congress.

though i get that the basic premise is that it shouldn't happen so congress can't impede the duties of the president. but that's also like saying the president cannot be indicted. giving blanket immunity would put the president above the law
 
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Tsinni Dave

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There's a good summary of the coup plot{s} on The Beat with Ari Melber this eve on MSNBC which unfortunately means no one who needs to see it will actually watch it.
I'm watching on youtube so it will more than likely be purged by tomorrow, but it's a good one.
 
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compcons

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Oct 22, 2004
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Shocked that Republicans are doing everything they can to hide what they did.

Pretty much: "Let's focus on why someone didn't do more to keep the people we got all riled up from trying to destroy our democracy."

Next up: "We are just trying to test the security measures that are in place. Good thing we did to show they need fixin'!"

It a Times article but yahoo has the content:



WASHINGTON — Rep. Kevin McCarthy, the California Republican who is attempting to become the next House speaker, on Wednesday warned the special committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol that members of his party planned to launch an inquiry of their own into the panel’s work next year when Republicans assume control of the chamber.

In a letter sent to the committee’s chair, McCarthy instructed the panel to preserve its records — an action already required under House rules — including any recorded transcripts of its more than 1,000 interviews. The missive was the first official indication that newly empowered House Republicans plan not only to end the inquiry at the start of the new Congress, but also to attempt to dismantle and discredit its findings — the latest piece of a broader effort the party has undertaken over the past two years to deny, downplay or shift blame for the deadly attack by a pro-Trump mob.

It comes as McCarthy toils to shore up his position with hard-right Republicans in his conference who have refused to support his bid for speaker, imperiling his chances of being elected in January.

McCarthy pledged in the letter that he would hold public hearings scrutinizing the security breakdowns that occurred during the assault, when a pro-Trump mob stormed the Capitol, disrupting Congress’s formal count of electoral votes to confirm Joe Biden’s election as president.

“Although your committee’s public hearings did not focus on why the Capitol complex was not secure on Jan. 6, 2021, the Republican majority in the 118th Congress will hold hearings that do so,” McCarthy wrote to Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss. and chair of the committee.

A spokesperson for the Jan. 6 committee declined to comment on the letter, which was reported earlier by The Federalist.

The committee, which will be dissolved at the end of the current Congress, is finishing up its final batch of witness interviews, including a session on Wednesday with Robin Vos, the speaker of the Wisconsin State Assembly, who said former President Donald Trump has continued to try to pressure lawmakers to overturn the 2020 election — even more than a year after his defeat.

The panel is also completing an extensive report, which is expected to be released in December and is the subject of much internal debate over how much to focus on Trump’s actions versus security failures at the Capitol. Members of the committee’s so-called Blue Team have conducted months of investigation and research into such failures, but it was unclear how much of their work would be featured.

McCarthy highlighted the complaints raised by some current and former staffers in media reports that their work investigating security failures, the financing of the rallies that preceded the attack and the threat of white nationalism would be overshadowed in the report by a focus on Trump’s attempts to overturn the 2020 election.

Lawmakers on the committee have said they are attempting to create a readable report — and had to make difficult choices about what to include, given the voluminous evidence accumulated — but plan to release the full transcripts of their interviews after making some redactions to prevent the identification of witnesses who were granted anonymity.

In addition to interviewing more than 1,000 witnesses, the committee has obtained more than 1 million pages of documents.

Shortly after the attack, both the Senate and the House held multiple hearings investigating security failures, and the Senate produced a bipartisan report detailing those failures.

Republicans, especially those on the hard right, have pressed to focus on the security flaws, which they have baselessly blamed on Speaker Nancy Pelosi, rather than on Trump’s role in pushing for the election to be overturned and summoning a large crowd to march on the Capitol, where they attacked and injured more than 150 police officers in a bloody rampage.

In a recent closed-door meeting of Republicans, right-wing lawmakers including Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia also extracted a promise that their leaders would investigate Pelosi and the Justice Department for their treatment of defendants jailed in connection with the Jan. 6 attack.

McCarthy has long derided the Jan. 6 committee’s investigation. He refused to comply with a subpoena and argued the panel is “illegitimate,” citing Pelosi’s rejection of two of his nominees.

The panel has taken no step to enforce that subpoena, citing congressional traditions.

© 2022 The New York Times Company
 
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hal2kilo

Lifer
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Shocked that Republicans are doing everything they can to hide what they did.

Pretty much: "Let's focus on why someone didn't do more to keep the people we got all riled up from trying to destroy our democracy."

Next up: "We are just trying to test the security measures that are in place. Good thing we did to show they need fixin'!"

It a Times article but yahoo has the content:



WASHINGTON — Rep. Kevin McCarthy, the California Republican who is attempting to become the next House speaker, on Wednesday warned the special committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol that members of his party planned to launch an inquiry of their own into the panel’s work next year when Republicans assume control of the chamber.

In a letter sent to the committee’s chair, McCarthy instructed the panel to preserve its records — an action already required under House rules — including any recorded transcripts of its more than 1,000 interviews. The missive was the first official indication that newly empowered House Republicans plan not only to end the inquiry at the start of the new Congress, but also to attempt to dismantle and discredit its findings — the latest piece of a broader effort the party has undertaken over the past two years to deny, downplay or shift blame for the deadly attack by a pro-Trump mob.

It comes as McCarthy toils to shore up his position with hard-right Republicans in his conference who have refused to support his bid for speaker, imperiling his chances of being elected in January.

McCarthy pledged in the letter that he would hold public hearings scrutinizing the security breakdowns that occurred during the assault, when a pro-Trump mob stormed the Capitol, disrupting Congress’s formal count of electoral votes to confirm Joe Biden’s election as president.

“Although your committee’s public hearings did not focus on why the Capitol complex was not secure on Jan. 6, 2021, the Republican majority in the 118th Congress will hold hearings that do so,” McCarthy wrote to Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss. and chair of the committee.

A spokesperson for the Jan. 6 committee declined to comment on the letter, which was reported earlier by The Federalist.

The committee, which will be dissolved at the end of the current Congress, is finishing up its final batch of witness interviews, including a session on Wednesday with Robin Vos, the speaker of the Wisconsin State Assembly, who said former President Donald Trump has continued to try to pressure lawmakers to overturn the 2020 election — even more than a year after his defeat.

The panel is also completing an extensive report, which is expected to be released in December and is the subject of much internal debate over how much to focus on Trump’s actions versus security failures at the Capitol. Members of the committee’s so-called Blue Team have conducted months of investigation and research into such failures, but it was unclear how much of their work would be featured.

McCarthy highlighted the complaints raised by some current and former staffers in media reports that their work investigating security failures, the financing of the rallies that preceded the attack and the threat of white nationalism would be overshadowed in the report by a focus on Trump’s attempts to overturn the 2020 election.

Lawmakers on the committee have said they are attempting to create a readable report — and had to make difficult choices about what to include, given the voluminous evidence accumulated — but plan to release the full transcripts of their interviews after making some redactions to prevent the identification of witnesses who were granted anonymity.

In addition to interviewing more than 1,000 witnesses, the committee has obtained more than 1 million pages of documents.

Shortly after the attack, both the Senate and the House held multiple hearings investigating security failures, and the Senate produced a bipartisan report detailing those failures.

Republicans, especially those on the hard right, have pressed to focus on the security flaws, which they have baselessly blamed on Speaker Nancy Pelosi, rather than on Trump’s role in pushing for the election to be overturned and summoning a large crowd to march on the Capitol, where they attacked and injured more than 150 police officers in a bloody rampage.

In a recent closed-door meeting of Republicans, right-wing lawmakers including Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia also extracted a promise that their leaders would investigate Pelosi and the Justice Department for their treatment of defendants jailed in connection with the Jan. 6 attack.

McCarthy has long derided the Jan. 6 committee’s investigation. He refused to comply with a subpoena and argued the panel is “illegitimate,” citing Pelosi’s rejection of two of his nominees.

The panel has taken no step to enforce that subpoena, citing congressional traditions.

© 2022 The New York Times Company
It's obviously impossible for this party to do a real deep dive of why the red wave never materialized. They can't fix themselves. Welcome to more of the same shit.
 
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