House Passes 1/6 Commission

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eelw

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I wanted Preet Bahara, but I can't remember exactly why now.

Garland was a let down from the moment his name was floated.
Preet while still an institutionist, wouldn't cross some lines. But he does look like someone that would hold a grudge and would definitely want to get revenge
 

fskimospy

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Im genuinely confused as to why people think the DOJ would block enforcement of friendly congressional subpoenas in an investigation the president has clearly signaled is a priority for him.
 

dank69

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I will take that bet. Bannon may try to delay with claims he’s seeking legal advice and such so it might not happen immediately but if he persists Garland will have him arrested, 100%.
What are the chances he delays into 2025?
 

eelw

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Im genuinely confused as to why people think the DOJ would block enforcement of friendly congressional subpoenas in an investigation the president has clearly signaled is a priority for him.
Let bygones be bygones. Garland will follow along Biden and see where the presidential library documents lead. Bannon will definitely be made an example of. But I don't see him going after Meadows or once it enters the immediate orange monkey orbit.
 

fskimospy

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Let bygones be bygones. Garland will follow along Biden and see where the presidential library documents lead. Bannon will definitely be made an example of. But I don't see him going after Meadows or once it enters the immediate orange monkey orbit.
So seriously, you're saying that the Democratic DOJ is going to defy Democrats in Congress issuing subpoenas in a case Biden has signaled is of major importance to him?

So every day when Pelosi calls up Biden or Garland and says 'why are you blocking Congress from investigating this' they are going to say 'fuck you'?

This is not DOJ initiating its own investigation, it would mean the DOJ actively obstructing Congress. Why on earth do people think they would do that?
 

fskimospy

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What are the chances he delays into 2025?
Until 2025? Zero.

I think it's unlikely he would even be able to delay until the next Congress, but it's possible. The real threat here is he delays and Republicans win back the house and cancel the subpoenas or that SCOTUS intervenes and says Democrats aren't allowed to subpoena Republicans if it makes Republicans sad.
 

cytg111

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Im genuinely confused as to why people think the DOJ would block enforcement of friendly congressional subpoenas in an investigation the president has clearly signaled is a priority for him.
Its history, dont think DOJ has a track record of pulling out the guns on mere subpoena violations. Add that to the Garland story we know so far and… well….
 

Jhhnn

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Its history, dont think DOJ has a track record of pulling out the guns on mere subpoena violations. Add that to the Garland story we know so far and… well….

Ugh. The DoJ just won't act against the wishes of a sitting President in matters of executive privilege & separation of powers. That is not the case today.
 

HomerJS

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Its history, dont think DOJ has a track record of pulling out the guns on mere subpoena violations. Add that to the Garland story we know so far and… well….
In history we've never had an armed insurrection. We are setting precedents all over the place. No reason to stop now.
 
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soundforbjt

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Have you looked at what can happen wrt to Bannon? Bannon can delay this for a couple of years easily. Just in time for republicans to take back the House and end it all. Once again the republicans skate on accountability.
 
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So seriously, you're saying that the Democratic DOJ is going to defy Democrats in Congress issuing subpoenas in a case Biden has signaled is of major importance to him?
Garland has already taken steps to defend some Donny policies and issues. I don't see him aggressively pursuing a former President, no matter how dirty he is. DT should already be in jail and we all know it. The mere fact that he is still out there spewing his bile speaks volumes about Garland.
 
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fskimospy

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Garland has already taken steps to defend some Donny policies and issues. I don't see him aggressively pursuing a former President, no matter how dirty he is. DT should already be in jail and we all know it. The mere fact that he is still out there spewing his bile speaks volumes about Garland.
He wouldn't be pursuing anyone though, Congress would. The DOJ just wouldn't be blocking them.

I just find it hard to believe that the DOJ is going to take the position that Democratic congressional subpoenas are unconstitutional and therefore will be blocked.
 

cytg111

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If Garland were to follow the Biden agenda here... would he stand a living daylights chance of ever getting on the SC? I could worry that a card in the deck is one of personal ambition -> so he dont want to be seen as rocking the boat?
 

Jhhnn

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Have you looked at what can happen wrt to Bannon? Bannon can delay this for a couple of years easily. Just in time for republicans to take back the House and end it all. Once again the republicans skate on accountability.

Nah. The full House will undobtedly vote for a criminal indictment on Tuesday & Bannon likely arrested & taken to court for arraignment & bond shortly thereafter. Trump suing the National Archives is an aside to that.
 

Jhhnn

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If Garland were to follow the Biden agenda here... would he stand a living daylights chance of ever getting on the SC? I could worry that a card in the deck is one of personal ambition -> so he dont want to be seen as rocking the boat?

That's ridiculous supposition & innuendo.
 

cytg111

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That's ridiculous supposition & innuendo.

Thats so fucking ridiculous that I got off one of the ~neutral MSM online papers months ago, and as special curtesy to you personally I cant be bothered to look it up. Night.
 

soundforbjt

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Nah. The full House will undobtedly vote for a criminal indictment on Tuesday & Bannon likely arrested & taken to court for arraignment & bond shortly thereafter. Trump suing the National Archives is an aside to that.
Some legal experts on CNN disagree, they say Bannon can take it to court and file appeals if he loses, effectively tying it up for an indefinite period.
 

NWRMidnight

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Some legal experts on CNN disagree, they say Bannon can take it to court and file appeals if he loses, effectively tying it up for an indefinite period.
The only way this can happen is previous SCOTUS rulings are ignored, and the courts all of a sudden believe citizen's have executive privilege's. Bannon's reasoning for ignoring the Subpoena is because Trump, a citizen who hold's no office, told him too. Trump has no more authority than you or me, telling Bannon to ignore the Subpoena, and Trump has no more executive privilege's than any other citizen, as he is no longer in office. SCOTUS has already recognized Congress's power to issue Subpoena's, and that power is broad, all though not unlimited, as it cannot be used for political gain or to investigate someone to find out if that person (the person they subpoenaed) committed any wrong doing. A Congressional subpoena must potentially further some “legitimate legislative purpose,” per the SCOTUS. This subpoena is 100% for legitimate legislative purposes, the investigation into 1/6. If Bannon tries to take it to court, It will make it as far as Trump's 60+ voter fraud cases that where thrown out, and will be ruled on just as quickly. Bannon could also sit in jail, as Jhhnn stated, during this process.
 
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