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IronWing

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Jul 20, 2001
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JEDI

Lifer
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whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

"A spokesperson for the Department of Justice declined to comment."

WTF?!
DoJ declined without explanation?!
WTF?!

hope the reason behind their decision comes out
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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"A spokesperson for the Department of Justice declined to comment."

WTF?!
DoJ declined without explanation?!
WTF?!

hope the reason behind their decision comes out
The article explains why. Meadows provided some documents and they both have "legitimate" claims to executive privilege. That last part smells like bullshit to me but I am not surprised even a tiny bit that Garland is a fucking worthless piece of shit.
 

Fenixgoon

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The article explains why. Meadows provided some documents and they both have "legitimate" claims to executive privilege. That last part smells like bullshit to me but I am not surprised even a tiny bit that Garland is a fucking worthless piece of shit.
Yeah Garland has been a massive disappointment as AG.
 
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HomerJS

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The article explains why. Meadows provided some documents and they both have "legitimate" claims to executive privilege. That last part smells like bullshit to me but I am not surprised even a tiny bit that Garland is a fucking worthless piece of shit.

From what I understand executive privilege can’t be used when criminality is involved. Someone correct me if wrong
 

Saylick

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From what I understand executive privilege can’t be used when criminality is involved. Someone correct me if wrong
I believe you are correct, per what happened with Nixon when he too tried to invoke executive privilege to hide the tapes that would ultimately be his downfall. The Supreme Court ruled that Nixon's reason for invoking executive privilege was too general and therefore did not outweigh the larger public interest in obtaining the truth.

Regardless, given our current Supreme Court situation, precedent doesn't mean much these days, unfortunately.

Per Wikipedia:
The Supreme Court addressed executive privilege in United States v. Nixon, the 1974 case involving the demand by Watergate special prosecutor Archibald Cox that President Richard Nixon produce the audiotapes of conversations he and his colleagues had in the Oval Office of the White House in connection with criminal charges being brought against members of the Nixon Administration for breaking into the Watergate complex. President Nixon invoked the privilege and refused to produce any records.

The Supreme Court did not reject the claim of privilege out of hand; it noted, in fact, "the valid need for protection of communications between high Government officials and those who advise and assist them in the performance of their manifold duties" and that "[h]uman experience teaches that those who expect public dissemination of their remarks may well temper candor with a concern for appearances and for their own interests to the detriment of the decisionmaking process." The Supreme Court stated: "To read the Article II powers of the president as providing an absolute privilege as against a subpoena essential to enforcement of criminal statutes on no more than a generalized claim of the public interest in confidentiality of nonmilitary and nondiplomatic discussions would upset the constitutional balance of 'a workable government' and gravely impair the role of the courts under Article III." Because Nixon had asserted only a generalized need for confidentiality, the Court held that the larger public interest in obtaining the truth in the context of a criminal prosecution took precedence.
 

zinfamous

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You also, I think, can't hold executive privilege...when not the executive.

It's an office. Not a person.

This SCOTUS, in their proven illiteracy, my decide otherwise of course and we should expect that (these robes still don't understand the 18th century common use of "people" vs "people's," the latter being very specifically not used, for a very specific reason, and shockingly something that a "an originalist" should care about, but I digress), but IRC that an former anything pretty much can't call privilege when the actual president (you know, the one in the seat at the time the question is asked), decides if there is privilege on active US intel and security. It's the point of executive privilege, no?

Executive privilege is enforceable when the security of the United States is at risk.

If a former president, who by law has absolutely no authority over US security is desperate to claim this, for whatever reason, then you know that it is precisely the reason that no former president, with no authority over an office that they do not serve, can ever be allowed to make that call. I mean, fucking seriously. It's basic 3rd grade bullshit.

Why do we entertain grade school fetishists with elephant lapels that can't be bothered to understand actual civics, at it's most basic, post-enlightenment model?

Fucking seriously.
 

sportage

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I truly believe that the general public is no longer interested in any of this. That next week's televised hearings will fall on deaf ears, looked on as impeachment attempt number three, and people will be more upset with their daily soaps being interrupted.
This has been going on since 2016 and nothing has come of it yet, so why would next week make any difference? Too bad Johnny Depp wasn't part of the insurrection crowd, now that might be interesting to watch.

Democrats keep trying to push this law and order thing, and patriotism, and accountability, and right vs wrong to play on the good nature of the American people. Its isn't working.
People no longer respect our American institutions enough to really give a damn if someone attempts to overthrow them. The way most people feel, this wasn't an insurrection, this was just politics.
 

eelw

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Why do we entertain grade school fetishists with elephant lapels that can't be bothered to understand actual civics, at it's most basic, post-enlightenment model?

Party over country.

And moving slightly off topic, how can these same morons choose guns over lives 🤬🤬🤬
 

MrSquished

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You should probably follow his lead
You are talking to a guy who thinks just random kids going to school should need the same security as super high value targets like presidents and high value wealth depositories like banks, and that's a normal society. He won't get it. He's a moron.
 

gothuevos

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My guess is these hearings will be as much of a flop in terms of moving the needle as the Mueller report was - convoluted findings that present wrongdoing but GOP will still take a victory lap and nothing happens as they continue to bludgeon Biden over inflation and gas prices.

Dems are utterly disappointing to watch in this regard, over and over again as the GOP just runs circles around them. Like I said in a different thread, these guys aren't saving us.
 
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dainthomas

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My guess is these hearings will be as much of a flop in terms of moving the needle as the Mueller report was - convoluted findings that present wrongdoing but GOP will still take a victory lap and nothing happens as they continue to bludgeon Biden over inflation and gas prices.

I mean, it wasn't super complicated at it's heart. But with the decades-long degrading of education and this country's collective attention span, which is roughly that of a fruit fly, it's no surprise that even super obvious crimes are just too much for people to comprehend.
 
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