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fskimospy

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I think that's wishful thinking to be honest. As much as I'd enjoy it, and is in all probability legally justified.
I'm not certain he will be indicted but things are definitely moving in that direction in both Georgia and federally.

And I'm not as sure as you are that he won't be the nominee ...

edit: At the current time, I'd probably say he's the odds on favorite to be 47.
I'm not certain he won't be the nominee either but when you look at how DeSantis has steadily gained over the last year and a half he clearly has all the momentum.
 

gothuevos

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DeSantis would give Biden (or whoever the Dem nominee is) the Walter Mondale treatment.
 

nakedfrog

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Of course I believe he will be indicted, that's why I said it. I would personally put the odds at over 75%.


I think DeSantis is probably the favorite for the Republican nomination even if Trump runs as he's been steadily overtaking Trump since last year. Last poll I saw had them in a dead heat with DeSantis continuing to gain and Trump fading. If Trump gets indicted DeSantis is definitely the prohibitive favorite.
DeSantis is more competent, more intelligent, and more fascist, so I can see him being a favorite. He's been sending all the right signals.
 

Captante

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DeSantis would give Biden (or whoever the Dem nominee is) the Walter Mondale treatment.

Right now no doubt about it.... get back to me in mid-2023 re: POTUS.

(Uncle Ronnie was in pretty close to the same leaky boat at the same point in his first term)
 

Amol S.

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We can offically call what Trump did as the Trump Fraudgate Scandal. I remember he once said Nixon was his role model. He sure is being faithful to those words of his.
 

Amol S.

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DeSantis would give Biden (or whoever the Dem nominee is) the Walter Mondale treatment.
DeSantis is not going to run.... because the MAGA supporters in his state want him to stay as governor, as they are worried what a new person could bring to the table.
 

Amol S.

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I already have a hunch on who could possibly be the 2024 Republican nominee for pres (or VP if Trump was to run). It would be Lloyd Smucker.


The Trump cult follower who belives in a stolen election. He currently represents the 11th district of Pensylvania at the US congress. The 11th district is known to house the 2 most important counties in Pensylvania that Republicans need to win by magins greater than 40-70k votes each to win PA, as they are the two most populous Republican counties in PA.
 

alien42

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I already have a hunch on who could possibly be the 2024 Republican nominee for pres (or VP if Trump was to run). It would be Lloyd Smucker.
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The Trump cult follower who belives in a stolen election. He currently represents the 11th district of Pensylvania at the US congress. The 11th district is known to house the 2 most important counties in Pensylvania that Republicans need to win by magins greater than 40-70k votes each to win PA, as they are the two most populous Republican counties in PA.

where do you come up with nonsense like this? that dude is a nobody and will remain so. Trump, Desantis, Pence, Abbott, or one of the other well known RWNJs will get the nomination.

also, this has absolutely nothing to do with the J6 committee.
 
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sportage

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I just can't believe it.
First, do we REALLY need to explain to the American people that something terribly bad happened on January 6th? Like 330 million Americans couldn't figure this out for themselves?

Second, regardless of the insanity that took place, I doubt very many people watch. And I could care less if Fox News carries it because I would never tune into Fox to watch this. And we all know why Fox chose not to air it, all because Donald Trump made a phone call. Trump called Fox or Hannity or maybe all of them over at Fox threatening Fox not to air it. Trump made a call and Fox rolls over and plays dead.
Imagine if this were happening while Donald Trump WAS president? Trump would sign some executive order banning all news networks for airing anything January 6th related unless it was pro-January 6th related. Like a memorial in front of Mt Rushmore, fireworks and all, praising the Proud Boys and the insurrectionist as patriotic Americans. THAT would be Trump's idea of airing January 6th.

And last, I don't think people really care because most people are more concerned over high prices, food, gas, and wondering just how high those prices will go. I don't think anyone cares about the stuff that happened more than a year ago regardless of how unimaginable and awful it was.
We survived Trump, so far that is, so people just don't care.
We had that one hearing way back for just one day, then nothing until now. Unlike Watergate where the hearings were televised for days and days. Two days of hearings, months apart, just makes to all seem somehow unimportant.

Yeah.... Trump is bad. Trump is terrible. The people around Trump are terrible. Fox News was terrible. Most republicans in congress are majorly terrible, but we already know this, everybody does, so I don't expect much from the televised hearing(s). If anything, Trump will breeze thru this unharmed and it will just further empower Trump and the Mega cult to push on to 2024.
 
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UNCjigga

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I just can't believe it.
First, do we REALLY need to explain to the American people that something terribly bad happened on January 6th? Like 330 million Americans couldn't figure this out for themselves?

Blame the media. Right wing media, certainly, for downplaying the entire ordeal, but also center/lefty media for putting too much emphasis on the rampage at the Capitol and not everything else that happened in the lead up to J6. Average Americans know something went down at the Capitol on J6, but the average American knows next to nothing about the Eastman doctrine, PowerPoint slides on how to steal an election, efforts to conspire with state legislatures to send alternate electors, what Trump’s DOJ was doing that was so bad Barr had to step down cuz he thought he’d go to jail, the Willard Hotel meeting, exactly how much danger Pence was in, etc. etc. etc.

Edit: Gray Lady is right on queue to refute me!


(Gifted article link-no paywall)
 
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fskimospy

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I just can't believe it.
First, do we REALLY need to explain to the American people that something terribly bad happened on January 6th? Like 330 million Americans couldn't figure this out for themselves?

Second, regardless of the insanity that took place, I doubt very many people watch. And I could care less if Fox News carries it because I would never tune into Fox to watch this. And we all know why Fox chose not to air it, all because Donald Trump made a phone call. Trump called Fox or Hannity or maybe all of them over at Fox threatening Fox not to air it. Trump made a call and Fox rolls over and plays dead.
Imagine if this were happening while Donald Trump WAS president? Trump would sign some executive order banning all news networks for airing anything January 6th related unless it was pro-January 6th related. Like a memorial in front of Mt Rushmore, fireworks and all, praising the Proud Boys and the insurrectionist as patriotic Americans. THAT would be Trump's idea of airing January 6th.

And last, I don't think people really care because most people are more concerned over high prices, food, gas, and wondering just how high those prices will go. I don't think anyone cares about the stuff that happened more than a year ago regardless of how unimaginable and awful it was.
We survived Trump, so far that is, so people just don't care.
We had that one hearing way back for just one day, then nothing until now. Unlike Watergate where the hearings were televised for days and days. Two days of hearings, months apart, just makes to all seem somehow unimportant.

Yeah.... Trump is bad. Trump is terrible. The people around Trump are terrible. Fox News was terrible. Most republicans in congress are majorly terrible, but we already know this, everybody does, so I don't expect much from the televised hearing(s). If anything, Trump will breeze thru this unharmed and it will just further empower Trump and the Mega cult to push on to 2024.
How would it further empower anyone? And yes... oh god yes do we need to inform America about what happened. The actual insurrection itself is a small part of what the committee is investigating.

The important revelations from the committee are not about the riot, they are about the attempted coup that predated the riot.
 
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eelw

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Yeah.... Trump is bad. Trump is terrible. The people around Trump are terrible. Fox News was terrible. Most republicans in congress are majorly terrible, but we already know this, everybody does, so I don't expect much from the televised hearing(s). If anything, Trump will breeze thru this unharmed and it will just further empower Trump and the Mega cult to push on to 2024.
Not saying it doesn't happen here in Canada where we flip flop parties after a long run by one, but don't get how the opinion of the average voter can change so much every 2 years. As you said, stupid how it needs explaining how corrupt the prior administration was than this even needs to be done. And how much a bubble does rural America live in to not see inflation is a world wide phenomenon. But doubt this will have much impact in November. And sadly it doesn't look like the mass shootings will sway independents to not be selfish and think economy more important.
 

fskimospy

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Not saying it doesn't happen here in Canada where we flip flop parties after a long run by one, but don't get how the opinion of the average voter can change so much every 2 years. As you said, stupid how it needs explaining how corrupt the prior administration was than this even needs to be done. And how much a bubble does rural America live in to not see inflation is a world wide phenomenon. But doubt this will have much impact in November. And sadly it doesn't look like the mass shootings will sway independents to not be selfish and think economy more important.
The opinion of the average voter doesn't change much from year to year but since we have a first past the post system small changes in voting behavior lead to large swings in representation.
 

Amol S.

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where do you come up with nonsense like this? that dude is a nobody and will remain so. Trump, Desantis, Pence, Abbott, or one of the other well known RWNJs will get the nomination.

also, this has absolutely nothing to do with the J6 committee.
I was responding to got huevos, should have kept reply in one post rather than two to make it look more neat and not all clumped together.
 

JTsyo

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It's my opinion this is only going to matter if DOJ actually proscutes. We've already seen that the public is willing to vote for whoever. Those that would vote for Trump in 2024 won't even be watching. I am thought interested in the full scope of what happened after the election but that's just for knowledge.
 

gothuevos

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How would it further empower anyone? And yes... oh god yes do we need to inform America about what happened. The actual insurrection itself is a small part of what the committee is investigating.

The important revelations from the committee are not about the riot, they are about the attempted coup that predated the riot.

IMO it will only backfire and feed their victim narrative.

Democrats have zero good will left, for better or worse. Did you see the CA primaries? The progressive DA from SF recalled and a former Republican turned Dem Lite with a strong showing in the LA mayor primary.

There should be major red alerts going off with the DNC right now.

I was being tongue in cheek with some of my earlier comments about GOP supermajorities, but now I think it's a real possibility they may have enough in both chambers to fulfill their fantasy of impeach and convict of both Biden and Harris. It's going to be a blowout.
 

UNCjigga

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Apparently RNC and GOP mega donors are planning an all out negative attack ad blitz to discredit the J6 committee, it’s individual members, and Biden’s record as President to deflect/blunt any fallout from the public hearings. I guess we know what Fox News will be airing and discussing during prime time tonight.
 
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fskimospy

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IMO it will only backfire and feed their victim narrative.

There is literally nothing you don't think this about though so why does that matter?

Democrats have zero good will left, for better or worse. Did you see the CA primaries? The progressive DA from SF recalled and a former Republican turned Dem Lite with a strong showing in the LA mayor primary.

lol.

There should be major red alerts going off with the DNC right now.

I was being tongue in cheek with some of my earlier comments about GOP supermajorities, but now I think it's a real possibility they may have enough in both chambers to fulfill their fantasy of impeach and convict of both Biden and Harris. It's going to be a blowout.

Once again you're spinning yourself up into a frenzy because you get off on a doom narrative for some reason. Why do you enjoy conjuring up oppression scenarios so much? Like think about how absolutely insane your scenario is now - Republicans have 50 seats. In order to impeach and convict Biden Republicans would need to win 17 seats in the 2022 Senate election, right? One major problem with that - there are only 16 Democratic seats up for election in 2022. So basically you are saying Republicans will win 106% of the available seats - quite an accomplishment! Not to mention a lot of those seats are in places like California, Hawaii, and Vermont.

Seriously, you're not able to evaluate this stuff rationally and you're getting worse. Maybe take a step back from politics for a while, it's making you crazy.
 

K1052

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Democrats have zero good will left, for better or worse. Did you see the CA primaries? The progressive DA from SF recalled and a former Republican turned Dem Lite with a strong showing in the LA mayor primary.

Yeah and the criminal who is incumbent sheriff of LA county only got 34%.

Local elections are highly idiosyncratic and people (including the national press) shouldn't be trying to convert them into whatever narrative they're looking for.
 
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