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Hayabusa Rider

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I don't work in the medical field so how could I form a strong opinion about what should be done? Seems like universal healthcare would be the way to go followed closely by single payer. Maybe you could tell me why neither of these systems would be the ideal solution.

The problem isn't with "a" universal care system, but it being implemented by people who have no idea. They'd be better off personally designing a manned Mars issue since it's much simpler. No, universal care would be an end stage consideration. There is no system in fact and anything we develop would have to be phased in and replace that "non existant" one which we use now. We need to guard against a bureaucratic system as usual.

So instead of arriving with a solution which works in small nations with little diversity lets examine what we have, what we need and how to get there recognizing that Chicago and rural Montana aren't nearly the same in needs. It can be done and I suggest that if anyone thinks they know better than the nursing staff at a hospital as to what is needed then I'd say no they do not. Those kinds of people need to be an important part, no the most important part of proper reform.

One guy here practically goes nuts at the idea because it isn't politically derived. I think we need a new paradigm in government. The world is too complex for people who haven't a good grasp to do the work. We need more of a meritocracy and less showboating.
 

werepossum

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Jul 10, 2006
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Doesn't matter. Every GOP politician is pure shit. They don't have a single policy that is good for the nation. They may focus on different priorities but every single one of them is bad for everyone that isn't loaded. As someone who is essentially loaded, I'm going to laugh and laugh as the GOP buttfucks every idiot that voted for him or refused to vote for Clinton. As for the people who did vote for Clinton but are still going to get buttfucked? Sorry, I did what I could, it's out of my hands. Direct your anger to the other two groups.
I hope to G-d that you are drunk/high and not simply an evil, totally despicable person.
 

werepossum

Elite Member
Jul 10, 2006
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Trump's supporters do seem to have taken their verbal and emotional cues from Trump himself. Even before him though I've always been interested/shocked by the visceral hatred and demonization of liberals that comes from conservatives. They don't just think liberals are wrong/misguided/stupid/whatever, they often think that liberals are actively working to destroy the country. I don't know if you saw what werepossum wrote about progressives the other day, but he said that he believes that progressives are attempting to turn people into state property and that they 'unrelentingly insist' America was an evil nation that was among the worst in the world. Although that view is totally insane I don't think he's alone in thinking it. (and remember, this is from someone who styles himself as a moderate!) If you genuinely thought your opponents were attempting to enslave a country that they loathed and attempted to debase at every opportunity wouldn't you revel in their defeat?

This sort of thinking isn't unique to the right but it's far more prevalent there than on the left. I guess this is the result of decades spent in the conservative media bubble.
I've actually never styled myself as a moderate. I have said that I have views that are left (often far left) and views that are right (sometimes far right.) And as much as you try to ignore it, most proggies here express extreme hatred for everyone not voting for Hillary in practically every thread before AND after the election, not to mention denouncing America, Americans, and American ways in practically every thread.
 

werepossum

Elite Member
Jul 10, 2006
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The problem isn't with "a" universal care system, but it being implemented by people who have no idea. They'd be better off personally designing a manned Mars issue since it's much simpler. No, universal care would be an end stage consideration. There is no system in fact and anything we develop would have to be phased in and replace that "non existant" one which we use now. We need to guard against a bureaucratic system as usual.

So instead of arriving with a solution which works in small nations with little diversity lets examine what we have, what we need and how to get there recognizing that Chicago and rural Montana aren't nearly the same in needs. It can be done and I suggest that if anyone thinks they know better than the nursing staff at a hospital as to what is needed then I'd say no they do not. Those kinds of people need to be an important part, no the most important part of proper reform.

One guy here practically goes nuts at the idea because it isn't politically derived. I think we need a new paradigm in government. The world is too complex for people who haven't a good grasp to do the work. We need more of a meritocracy and less showboating.
Well said. Although it's worth remembering that while the Democrat "experts" tend to be academics with no actual knowledge, the Republican experts tend to be management, whose interest is probably more concerned with the health of the industry than with the health of the patients. As always, a bird with only one wing can never fly.

Weasel to Rein In Chicken Coop Population
lol +1

This isn't a "no". It's a "Maybe later when no one's paying attention".

See: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/12/spending-bill-992-derivatives-citigroup-lobbyists
No doubt. There are seldom actual changes in beliefs, just political prices that prove too high. Few CongressCritters have principles they place above personal power.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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I hope to G-d that you are drunk/high and not simply an evil, totally despicable person.

I've actually never styled myself as a moderate. I have said that I have views that are left (often far left) and views that are right (sometimes far right.) And as much as you try to ignore it, most proggies here express extreme hatred for everyone not voting for Hillary in practically every thread before AND after the election, not to mention denouncing America, Americans, and American ways in practically every thread.

This coming from a guy who was ready to kill people if an investigation changed the outcome of the election.

Go fuck yourself!
 

nickqt

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...most proggies here express extreme hatred for everyone not voting for Hillary in practically every thread before AND after the election, not to mention denouncing America, Americans, and American ways in practically every thread.
You're an idiot.
 
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compuwiz1

Admin Emeritus Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
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You're an idiot.

Telling the truth, these days = idiot
Liberals can't handle truth and any truth teller must be shamed, berated and stoned, if need be.
Here is a great guide to spot the liberal:

"
I have been a follower of politics since the Carter administration. All these years have taught me that whether they are actors, businesswomen, or life-long politicians, I can spot liberal thinkers the moment they open their mouths. Since they rarely identify themselves as liberals, preferring monikers such as “progressive,” here are some dead giveaways.

Liberals consistently operate on a double-standard. They are exceedingly generous with other people’s money, but shelter their own. They ardently argue that everyone should be free to think whatever they want – unless you disagree with them. They proudly support religious tolerance, no matter how bizarre, unless that religion is Christianity.

They argue that requiring any type of ID for voting is racist, but these same politicians require ID to enter most any of their own social functions. They publicly vilify the “evil Wall Streeters” and then privately pander to them for campaign money. They are 100 percent behind protecting minorities and women unless the African-American, Latino, or female is from the other side of the political aisle. Then they are eerily silent.

Liberals rarely engage in legitimate rhetoric. They use single cases to make their points, while ignoring large amounts of data to the contrary. No amount of evidence that social programs aren’t working will ever be enough to persuade liberals that they are wrong.

When someone dares present them with evidence, instead of refuting arguments, liberals dismiss their opponents as sexist, racist, or they make fun of them. Think of Al Gore who – when questioned about his statement that polar bear populations are decreasing and that the population may, in fact, be stable or increasing – responded with “Nobody told the polar bears that. Hahaha.” These are the rhetorical skills of a middle schooler.

Liberals regularly attempt to bypass scrutiny of their proposed policies by creating emergencies such as global warming, healthcare, housing – you name it. Emergencies allow them to demonize anyone who opposes the policy rather than having to actually defend what they want to do.

Liberal logic is easy to refute, but if a flaw in their logic is presented, they simply scream “racist,” “greedy,” or some other epithet. They will never be satisfied. They will always want more money, more intrusive laws, and no program will ever be successful to the point that it can be terminated.

Liberals are largely people who are unaffected by their own policies – the super-rich, the poor, college professors, and college students. The super-rich shelter their money from exorbitant federal, state, and local taxes. The poor vote to take money from others for their own benefit, while paying no taxes.

College professors, most of whom who have never had to actually implement any of their ideologies, have the luxury of simply talking about them. Of course, college students don’t have to implement or fund their liberal ideas either – not to mention their lack of experience in how life really works. And politicians exempt themselves from many of their own policies, of course.

Liberals resent large segments of the population. They resent the military and police, yet benefit from the safety and freedom they provide us. They resent successful business people and are highly critical of the United States as a whole, but they continue to live here, take advantage of opportunities for success, and utilize our health care system.

For example, extremist film-maker Michael Moore, who produces pseudo-documentaries proclaiming how bad things are in the U.S., has benefited significantly from the very system he says is unfair – and he continues to do so. No liberal ever permanently moves to Cuba, Russia, China, North Korea or some other socialist country.

Liberals are so angry. It seems that liberals can’t simply disagree with someone. Instead, they are always angry at some sector of the population – businessmen, hunters, the Tea Party, Republicans, pro-life groups, Christians, coal companies, pharmaceutical companies, and others.

They idolize such words as “tolerance” and “compassion,” but show little of either to those who disagree with them. Oddly, they express the most anger toward their fellow citizens just arm’s reach across the political aisle while bending over backwards to appease people who want to kill us.

Liberals think the public is either incompetent or stupid. Therefore, they feel the need to regulate every aspect of our lives. We aren’t smart enough to decide for ourselves how large a soft drink should be or how much salt we should consume.

Liberals talk about people having “too much money” or “more than they need” as if there is something evil about succeeding in life and it is up to liberals to punish the rich with onerous tax burdens. Why do liberals think it is up to them to decide how much money a person should earn? Interestingly, “too much” is always more than they have themselves.

Yet as smart as they think they are, liberals rarely see the broader ramifications of their policies. Consider John Kerry’s response to a question about a terrorist released from Guantanamo Bay in 2012 who is now actively recruiting for al Qaeda in Sudan: “He’s not supposed to be doing that.” Really? It is easy to demonize places like Guantanamo Bay when you don’t have to protect a nation from merciless terrorists.

Finally, liberals despise the U.S. Constitution, which protects us from them. When questioned about the constitutionality of a policy they don’t address the question, but rather describe their intentions and what they think is right. Intent is all that matters, regardless of the constitutionality of the policy. The Constitution is always in their way. Thank God for the foresight of the founding fathers.

Liberals are not evil people and I value the two-party system, differences in opinion, and the potential benefits of some liberal policy. And conservatives aren’t perfect by any means either. But the lack of logic, unwillingness to truly discuss policy, and the other issues I’ve noted above leaves me terribly frustrated.

For any liberal who is still reading and is planning a response to my comments, double check your argument against the points I’ve made above before sending it."

http://thecitizen.com/opinion-columnists/how-spot-liberal
 
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HamburgerBoy

Lifer
Apr 12, 2004
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Liberals rarely engage in legitimate rhetoric. They use single cases to make their points, while ignoring large amounts of data to the contrary. No amount of evidence that social programs aren’t working will ever be enough to persuade liberals that they are wrong.

When someone dares present them with evidence, instead of refuting arguments, liberals dismiss their opponents as sexist, racist, or they make fun of them. Think of Al Gore who – when questioned about his statement that polar bear populations are decreasing and that the population may, in fact, be stable or increasing – responded with “Nobody told the polar bears that. Hahaha.” These are the rhetorical skills of a middle schooler.

And then proceeds to rattle off a bunch of ad hominems about what liberals really think deep down. lol. I hope that when the alt-right replaces the old right, they at least use their memes to kill chain message political posts.
 

werepossum

Elite Member
Jul 10, 2006
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This coming from a guy who was ready to kill people if an investigation changed the outcome of the election.

Go fuck yourself!
I totally accept that intellectually you are incapable of distinguishing between an election being stolen and an election being overturned if fraud is found. However, people with more surviving and/or better functioning neurons understand that these are completely different things.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
26,685
24,998
136
Telling the truth, these days = idiot
Liberals can't handle truth and any truth teller must be shamed, berated and stoned, if need be.
Here is a great guide to spot the liberal:

"
I have been a follower of politics since the Carter administration. All these years have taught me that whether they are actors, businesswomen, or life-long politicians, I can spot liberal thinkers the moment they open their mouths. Since they rarely identify themselves as liberals, preferring monikers such as “progressive,” here are some dead giveaways.

Liberals consistently operate on a double-standard. They are exceedingly generous with other people’s money, but shelter their own. They ardently argue that everyone should be free to think whatever they want – unless you disagree with them. They proudly support religious tolerance, no matter how bizarre, unless that religion is Christianity.

They argue that requiring any type of ID for voting is racist, but these same politicians require ID to enter most any of their own social functions. They publicly vilify the “evil Wall Streeters” and then privately pander to them for campaign money. They are 100 percent behind protecting minorities and women unless the African-American, Latino, or female is from the other side of the political aisle. Then they are eerily silent.

Liberals rarely engage in legitimate rhetoric. They use single cases to make their points, while ignoring large amounts of data to the contrary. No amount of evidence that social programs aren’t working will ever be enough to persuade liberals that they are wrong.

When someone dares present them with evidence, instead of refuting arguments, liberals dismiss their opponents as sexist, racist, or they make fun of them. Think of Al Gore who – when questioned about his statement that polar bear populations are decreasing and that the population may, in fact, be stable or increasing – responded with “Nobody told the polar bears that. Hahaha.” These are the rhetorical skills of a middle schooler.

Liberals regularly attempt to bypass scrutiny of their proposed policies by creating emergencies such as global warming, healthcare, housing – you name it. Emergencies allow them to demonize anyone who opposes the policy rather than having to actually defend what they want to do.

Liberal logic is easy to refute, but if a flaw in their logic is presented, they simply scream “racist,” “greedy,” or some other epithet. They will never be satisfied. They will always want more money, more intrusive laws, and no program will ever be successful to the point that it can be terminated.

Liberals are largely people who are unaffected by their own policies – the super-rich, the poor, college professors, and college students. The super-rich shelter their money from exorbitant federal, state, and local taxes. The poor vote to take money from others for their own benefit, while paying no taxes.

College professors, most of whom who have never had to actually implement any of their ideologies, have the luxury of simply talking about them. Of course, college students don’t have to implement or fund their liberal ideas either – not to mention their lack of experience in how life really works. And politicians exempt themselves from many of their own policies, of course.

Liberals resent large segments of the population. They resent the military and police, yet benefit from the safety and freedom they provide us. They resent successful business people and are highly critical of the United States as a whole, but they continue to live here, take advantage of opportunities for success, and utilize our health care system.

For example, extremist film-maker Michael Moore, who produces pseudo-documentaries proclaiming how bad things are in the U.S., has benefited significantly from the very system he says is unfair – and he continues to do so. No liberal ever permanently moves to Cuba, Russia, China, North Korea or some other socialist country.

Liberals are so angry. It seems that liberals can’t simply disagree with someone. Instead, they are always angry at some sector of the population – businessmen, hunters, the Tea Party, Republicans, pro-life groups, Christians, coal companies, pharmaceutical companies, and others.

They idolize such words as “tolerance” and “compassion,” but show little of either to those who disagree with them. Oddly, they express the most anger toward their fellow citizens just arm’s reach across the political aisle while bending over backwards to appease people who want to kill us.

Liberals think the public is either incompetent or stupid. Therefore, they feel the need to regulate every aspect of our lives. We aren’t smart enough to decide for ourselves how large a soft drink should be or how much salt we should consume.

Liberals talk about people having “too much money” or “more than they need” as if there is something evil about succeeding in life and it is up to liberals to punish the rich with onerous tax burdens. Why do liberals think it is up to them to decide how much money a person should earn? Interestingly, “too much” is always more than they have themselves.

Yet as smart as they think they are, liberals rarely see the broader ramifications of their policies. Consider John Kerry’s response to a question about a terrorist released from Guantanamo Bay in 2012 who is now actively recruiting for al Qaeda in Sudan: “He’s not supposed to be doing that.” Really? It is easy to demonize places like Guantanamo Bay when you don’t have to protect a nation from merciless terrorists.

Finally, liberals despise the U.S. Constitution, which protects us from them. When questioned about the constitutionality of a policy they don’t address the question, but rather describe their intentions and what they think is right. Intent is all that matters, regardless of the constitutionality of the policy. The Constitution is always in their way. Thank God for the foresight of the founding fathers.

Liberals are not evil people and I value the two-party system, differences in opinion, and the potential benefits of some liberal policy. And conservatives aren’t perfect by any means either. But the lack of logic, unwillingness to truly discuss policy, and the other issues I’ve noted above leaves me terribly frustrated.

For any liberal who is still reading and is planning a response to my comments, double check your argument against the points I’ve made above before sending it."

http://thecitizen.com/opinion-columnists/how-spot-liberal

Well that was a load of horse manure.
 

werepossum

Elite Member
Jul 10, 2006
29,873
463
126
Telling the truth, these days = idiot
Liberals can't handle truth and any truth teller must be shamed, berated and stoned, if need be.
Here is a great guide to spot the liberal:

"
I have been a follower of politics since the Carter administration. All these years have taught me that whether they are actors, businesswomen, or life-long politicians, I can spot liberal thinkers the moment they open their mouths. Since they rarely identify themselves as liberals, preferring monikers such as “progressive,” here are some dead giveaways.

Liberals consistently operate on a double-standard. They are exceedingly generous with other people’s money, but shelter their own. They ardently argue that everyone should be free to think whatever they want – unless you disagree with them. They proudly support religious tolerance, no matter how bizarre, unless that religion is Christianity.

They argue that requiring any type of ID for voting is racist, but these same politicians require ID to enter most any of their own social functions. They publicly vilify the “evil Wall Streeters” and then privately pander to them for campaign money. They are 100 percent behind protecting minorities and women unless the African-American, Latino, or female is from the other side of the political aisle. Then they are eerily silent.

Liberals rarely engage in legitimate rhetoric. They use single cases to make their points, while ignoring large amounts of data to the contrary. No amount of evidence that social programs aren’t working will ever be enough to persuade liberals that they are wrong.

When someone dares present them with evidence, instead of refuting arguments, liberals dismiss their opponents as sexist, racist, or they make fun of them. Think of Al Gore who – when questioned about his statement that polar bear populations are decreasing and that the population may, in fact, be stable or increasing – responded with “Nobody told the polar bears that. Hahaha.” These are the rhetorical skills of a middle schooler.

Liberals regularly attempt to bypass scrutiny of their proposed policies by creating emergencies such as global warming, healthcare, housing – you name it. Emergencies allow them to demonize anyone who opposes the policy rather than having to actually defend what they want to do.

Liberal logic is easy to refute, but if a flaw in their logic is presented, they simply scream “racist,” “greedy,” or some other epithet. They will never be satisfied. They will always want more money, more intrusive laws, and no program will ever be successful to the point that it can be terminated.

Liberals are largely people who are unaffected by their own policies – the super-rich, the poor, college professors, and college students. The super-rich shelter their money from exorbitant federal, state, and local taxes. The poor vote to take money from others for their own benefit, while paying no taxes.

College professors, most of whom who have never had to actually implement any of their ideologies, have the luxury of simply talking about them. Of course, college students don’t have to implement or fund their liberal ideas either – not to mention their lack of experience in how life really works. And politicians exempt themselves from many of their own policies, of course.

Liberals resent large segments of the population. They resent the military and police, yet benefit from the safety and freedom they provide us. They resent successful business people and are highly critical of the United States as a whole, but they continue to live here, take advantage of opportunities for success, and utilize our health care system.

For example, extremist film-maker Michael Moore, who produces pseudo-documentaries proclaiming how bad things are in the U.S., has benefited significantly from the very system he says is unfair – and he continues to do so. No liberal ever permanently moves to Cuba, Russia, China, North Korea or some other socialist country.

Liberals are so angry. It seems that liberals can’t simply disagree with someone. Instead, they are always angry at some sector of the population – businessmen, hunters, the Tea Party, Republicans, pro-life groups, Christians, coal companies, pharmaceutical companies, and others.

They idolize such words as “tolerance” and “compassion,” but show little of either to those who disagree with them. Oddly, they express the most anger toward their fellow citizens just arm’s reach across the political aisle while bending over backwards to appease people who want to kill us.

Liberals think the public is either incompetent or stupid. Therefore, they feel the need to regulate every aspect of our lives. We aren’t smart enough to decide for ourselves how large a soft drink should be or how much salt we should consume.

Liberals talk about people having “too much money” or “more than they need” as if there is something evil about succeeding in life and it is up to liberals to punish the rich with onerous tax burdens. Why do liberals think it is up to them to decide how much money a person should earn? Interestingly, “too much” is always more than they have themselves.

Yet as smart as they think they are, liberals rarely see the broader ramifications of their policies. Consider John Kerry’s response to a question about a terrorist released from Guantanamo Bay in 2012 who is now actively recruiting for al Qaeda in Sudan: “He’s not supposed to be doing that.” Really? It is easy to demonize places like Guantanamo Bay when you don’t have to protect a nation from merciless terrorists.

Finally, liberals despise the U.S. Constitution, which protects us from them. When questioned about the constitutionality of a policy they don’t address the question, but rather describe their intentions and what they think is right. Intent is all that matters, regardless of the constitutionality of the policy. The Constitution is always in their way. Thank God for the foresight of the founding fathers.

Liberals are not evil people and I value the two-party system, differences in opinion, and the potential benefits of some liberal policy. And conservatives aren’t perfect by any means either. But the lack of logic, unwillingness to truly discuss policy, and the other issues I’ve noted above leaves me terribly frustrated.

For any liberal who is still reading and is planning a response to my comments, double check your argument against the points I’ve made above before sending it."

http://thecitizen.com/opinion-columnists/how-spot-liberal
This is why I prefer differentiating between progressives and liberals. Western liberalism gave us almost all the freedoms that we treasure today. Plenty of leftists still believe in those freedoms today, it's just that progressives are the loudest and most energetic part of today's left. Interview Obama voters and you will find that most do not support "safe zones" where only rigidly defined politically correct speech is allowed or government having the legal right to decide what size soft drink a subject is allowed to buy. These things get implemented not because they are universally popular on the left, but because the people advocating them are the loudest and most insistent, and typically only in pockets such as academia or New York City where progressives form a high percentage of those in power.
 
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Puffnstuff

Lifer
Mar 9, 2005
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College professors, most of whom who have never had to actually implement any of their ideologies, have the luxury of simply talking about them. Of course, college students don’t have to implement or fund their liberal ideas either – not to mention their lack of experience in how life really works. And politicians exempt themselves from many of their own policies, of course.
My professors are all distinguished doctors with many real world accomplishments that require the implementation of their academic skills. Some of the brightest minds in our government came from academia and I wouldn't want anything less making decisions. People who think that all worthy knowledge comes from the corner church in Backwater USA are proof positive of Hosea 4:6.
 
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compuwiz1

Admin Emeritus Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
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Well that was a load of horse manure.

Grab a shovel and get a crew. You and your ilk are going to be shoveling for a long time. Everyone is sick of liberals. The tectonic plates are going to get busy and demolish your cloister of freaks. There is always a reason people live where they do.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
26,685
24,998
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Grab a shovel and get a crew. You and your ilk are going to be shoveling for a long time. Everyone is sick of liberals. The tectonic plates are going to get busy and demolish your cloister of freaks. There is always a reason people live where they do.

So you are just going to keep shit posting? Good to know but not really much of a change for you.

Btw I live in the Midwest.
 

Puffnstuff

Lifer
Mar 9, 2005
16,038
4,800
136
Everyone is sick of liberals.
Really? Childish labels that often times do not accurately reflect the empirical evidence they purport to support. By your standards even Jesus, God in the flesh and creator of all things )John 1:1), is a liberal. If you supposed Christians would even be bothered to read the bible you might learn a few things that would open your eyes.
Btw I live in the Midwest.
Oh noes! I hope that bible belt isn't on too tight so it doesn't constrict the blood flow to your brain. I hope that you're not too close to Tulsa or the Oral Roberts flu might affect you on a regular basis.
 
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fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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I've actually never styled myself as a moderate. I have said that I have views that are left (often far left) and views that are right (sometimes far right.) And as much as you try to ignore it, most proggies here express extreme hatred for everyone not voting for Hillary in practically every thread before AND after the election, not to mention denouncing America, Americans, and American ways in practically every thread.

Quoted for more insanity. I figured you were just drunk or super angry when you wrote that previous rant about how evil progressives are but apparently you really believe it. I have no idea how your world view became this twisted but it's sad more than anything.

Oh also I forgot to mention that you went back to declaring that I simply supported the 'leftist' view on everything only about two weeks after I forced you to admit that claim wasn't true. Guess long term memory isn't your strong suit, lol.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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I totally accept that intellectually you are incapable of distinguishing between an election being stolen and an election being overturned if fraud is found. However, people with more surviving and/or better functioning neurons understand that these are completely different things.

And people can read exactly what you wrote you dishonest piece of shit.
 

werepossum

Elite Member
Jul 10, 2006
29,873
463
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Quoted for more insanity. I figured you were just drunk or super angry when you wrote that previous rant about how evil progressives are but apparently you really believe it. I have no idea how your world view became this twisted but it's sad more than anything.

Oh also I forgot to mention that you went back to declaring that I simply supported the 'leftist' view on everything only about two weeks after I forced you to admit that claim wasn't true. Guess long term memory isn't your strong suit, lol.
lol Yeah, I remember how you forced me to admit that you (and Hillary) support the conservative position on free trade. It was your finest hour.
 
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