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fskimospy

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lol Yeah, I remember how you forced me to admit that you (and Hillary) support the conservative position on free trade. It was your finest hour.

I don't care about your evaluation of it, I just think it's funny that even when you admit to being wrong about something you go right back to claiming the same wrong thing a week or two later like it never happened. You either have the memory of a goldfish or you're a liar.

Anyway, your tendency to lie was one of the least insane things that you wrote there so I guess in the end it doesn't matter. Like I said before your own words make you look so much worse than I ever could.
 
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werepossum

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I don't care about your evaluation of it, I just think it's funny that even when you admit to being wrong about something you go right back to claiming the same wrong thing a week or two later like it never happened. You either have the memory of a goldfish or you're a liar.

Anyway, your tendency to lie was one of the least insane things that you wrote there so I guess in the end it doesn't matter. Like I said before your own words make you look so much worse than I ever could.
Note to self: Explain sarcasm to fskimospy. Hmm, gonna need to clear a couple contiguous months . . .
 

nickqt

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Grab a shovel and get a crew. You and your ilk are going to be shoveling for a long time. Everyone is sick of liberals. The tectonic plates are going to get busy and demolish your cloister of freaks. There is always a reason people live where they do.
Telling the truth, these days = idiot
Liberals can't handle truth and any truth teller must be shamed, berated and stoned, if need be.
Here is a great guide to spot the liberal:

"
I have been a follower of politics since the Carter administration. All these years have taught me that whether they are actors, businesswomen, or life-long politicians, I can spot liberal thinkers the moment they open their mouths. Since they rarely identify themselves as liberals, preferring monikers such as “progressive,” here are some dead giveaways.

Liberals consistently operate on a double-standard. They are exceedingly generous with other people’s money, but shelter their own. They ardently argue that everyone should be free to think whatever they want – unless you disagree with them. They proudly support religious tolerance, no matter how bizarre, unless that religion is Christianity.

They argue that requiring any type of ID for voting is racist, but these same politicians require ID to enter most any of their own social functions. They publicly vilify the “evil Wall Streeters” and then privately pander to them for campaign money. They are 100 percent behind protecting minorities and women unless the African-American, Latino, or female is from the other side of the political aisle. Then they are eerily silent.

Liberals rarely engage in legitimate rhetoric. They use single cases to make their points, while ignoring large amounts of data to the contrary. No amount of evidence that social programs aren’t working will ever be enough to persuade liberals that they are wrong.

When someone dares present them with evidence, instead of refuting arguments, liberals dismiss their opponents as sexist, racist, or they make fun of them. Think of Al Gore who – when questioned about his statement that polar bear populations are decreasing and that the population may, in fact, be stable or increasing – responded with “Nobody told the polar bears that. Hahaha.” These are the rhetorical skills of a middle schooler.

Liberals regularly attempt to bypass scrutiny of their proposed policies by creating emergencies such as global warming, healthcare, housing – you name it. Emergencies allow them to demonize anyone who opposes the policy rather than having to actually defend what they want to do.

Liberal logic is easy to refute, but if a flaw in their logic is presented, they simply scream “racist,” “greedy,” or some other epithet. They will never be satisfied. They will always want more money, more intrusive laws, and no program will ever be successful to the point that it can be terminated.

Liberals are largely people who are unaffected by their own policies – the super-rich, the poor, college professors, and college students. The super-rich shelter their money from exorbitant federal, state, and local taxes. The poor vote to take money from others for their own benefit, while paying no taxes.

College professors, most of whom who have never had to actually implement any of their ideologies, have the luxury of simply talking about them. Of course, college students don’t have to implement or fund their liberal ideas either – not to mention their lack of experience in how life really works. And politicians exempt themselves from many of their own policies, of course.

Liberals resent large segments of the population. They resent the military and police, yet benefit from the safety and freedom they provide us. They resent successful business people and are highly critical of the United States as a whole, but they continue to live here, take advantage of opportunities for success, and utilize our health care system.

For example, extremist film-maker Michael Moore, who produces pseudo-documentaries proclaiming how bad things are in the U.S., has benefited significantly from the very system he says is unfair – and he continues to do so. No liberal ever permanently moves to Cuba, Russia, China, North Korea or some other socialist country.

Liberals are so angry. It seems that liberals can’t simply disagree with someone. Instead, they are always angry at some sector of the population – businessmen, hunters, the Tea Party, Republicans, pro-life groups, Christians, coal companies, pharmaceutical companies, and others.

They idolize such words as “tolerance” and “compassion,” but show little of either to those who disagree with them. Oddly, they express the most anger toward their fellow citizens just arm’s reach across the political aisle while bending over backwards to appease people who want to kill us.

Liberals think the public is either incompetent or stupid. Therefore, they feel the need to regulate every aspect of our lives. We aren’t smart enough to decide for ourselves how large a soft drink should be or how much salt we should consume.

Liberals talk about people having “too much money” or “more than they need” as if there is something evil about succeeding in life and it is up to liberals to punish the rich with onerous tax burdens. Why do liberals think it is up to them to decide how much money a person should earn? Interestingly, “too much” is always more than they have themselves.

Yet as smart as they think they are, liberals rarely see the broader ramifications of their policies. Consider John Kerry’s response to a question about a terrorist released from Guantanamo Bay in 2012 who is now actively recruiting for al Qaeda in Sudan: “He’s not supposed to be doing that.” Really? It is easy to demonize places like Guantanamo Bay when you don’t have to protect a nation from merciless terrorists.

Finally, liberals despise the U.S. Constitution, which protects us from them. When questioned about the constitutionality of a policy they don’t address the question, but rather describe their intentions and what they think is right. Intent is all that matters, regardless of the constitutionality of the policy. The Constitution is always in their way. Thank God for the foresight of the founding fathers.

Liberals are not evil people and I value the two-party system, differences in opinion, and the potential benefits of some liberal policy. And conservatives aren’t perfect by any means either. But the lack of logic, unwillingness to truly discuss policy, and the other issues I’ve noted above leaves me terribly frustrated.

For any liberal who is still reading and is planning a response to my comments, double check your argument against the points I’ve made above before sending it."

http://thecitizen.com/opinion-columnists/how-spot-liberal

You're an idiot.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
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I don't care about your evaluation of it, I just think it's funny that even when you admit to being wrong about something you go right back to claiming the same wrong thing a week or two later like it never happened. You either have the memory of a goldfish or you're a liar.

Anyway, your tendency to lie was one of the least insane things that you wrote there so I guess in the end it doesn't matter. Like I said before your own words make you look so much worse than I ever could.

He's now adopted the DSF defense, "who me".
 

fskimospy

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Note to self: Explain sarcasm to fskimospy. Hmm, gonna need to clear a couple contiguous months . . .

If you actually think that your sarcasm was what was wrong with that post then your attempt to call someone else stupid is hilarious.
 

Puffnstuff

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I'd just like to say that some posters need to take a deep breath and go play a game to release some of that tension. This thread is being shelled like a world of warships map.
 
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werepossum

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If you actually think that your sarcasm was what was wrong with that post then your attempt to call someone else stupid is hilarious.
Hey, I'm just glad you're laughing. I'm not telling you they should drop your dosage, I like happy, giggly fskimospy a lot better than frownie face "that's gross" fskimospy. And if you're happy that your particular brand of condescension and elitism brought us Cheeto Jesus, then I'm happy. Considering the alternative, I'm happy either way.
 

werepossum

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I'd just like to say that some posters need to take a deep breath and go play a game to release some of that tension. This thread is being shelled like a world of warships map.
Dude, this IS releasing the tension. How else does one stay sane in a world where one is forced to anoint either the Tangerine Messiah or the Hildabeast as our leader?
 

fskimospy

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Hey, I'm just glad you're laughing. I'm not telling you they should drop your dosage, I like happy, giggly fskimospy a lot better than frownie face "that's gross" fskimospy.

Why thank you! You'll be glad to know that I also find mental health tips from someone who believes in an unending series of vast conspiracies and a nefarious anti-American progressive cabal to be highly amusing. You never stop bringing the laughs!

And if you're happy that your particular brand of condescension and elitism brought us Cheeto Jesus, then I'm happy. Considering the alternative, I'm happy either way.

Yes, I'm sure that was the cause, haha. Another razor insight from werepossum!
 
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Seems like the House quietly gifted itself another ethics rule workaround to help hide misconduct: http://wpo.st/FcyU2

They adopted a rule designating records created, generated or received by a member’s congressional office “exclusively the personal property” of that member and granting members “control over such records.”

Making congressional records the personal property of members seems tailor-made for the next lawmaker who, like former congressman Aaron Schock (R-Ill.), hopes to evade criminal responsibility by barring access to material allegedly showing how he misspent public funds.
 
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ivwshane

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Seems like the House quietly gifted itself another ethics rule workaround to help hide misconduct: http://wpo.st/FcyU2

This is worthy of bumping.

This rule change also represents yet another example of Congress exempting itself from the same record and accountability system that governs the executive branch. Congress is not subject to either the Freedom of Information Act or Federal Records Act. Although the Center for Legislative Archiveshouses records of historic value of the House and Senate, the records remain the legal property of the House and Senate.

Now, by making the records of congressional offices the personal property of members, the House has ensured that none of these records will be available for posterity. How ironic that Republican-controlled congressional committees have relied on statutes such as FOIA and the Federal Records Act to fault the practices of then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, yet members have cloaked themselves in an impenetrable secrecy that allows them to escape public accountability.[/b]

Once again, you can find out what Republicans are up to by what they accuse others of doing. Its their number one go to play.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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Can't be having some pesky ethics laws stop us from making money...for us or our friends.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
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Damn, it's like the Moreland Commission and Cuomo. Not a fan.

That was an amazing one, Cuomo makes an ethics commission to go after the legislature. Instead, it notices that he's dirty as hell. As soon as it starts investigating him he declares victory and shuts it down.
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
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That was an amazing one, Cuomo makes an ethics commission to go after the legislature. Instead, it notices that he's dirty as hell. As soon as it starts investigating him he declares victory and shuts it down.

What was interesting is that he apparently had enough influence that it never even made more than a blip. If we could focus on corruption regardless of party and agree on this one issue we'd all be better off. Maybe someday. But for now the fight is with the Republicans and that needs to be a main focus.
 
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