You don't get to be a Republican by being trustworthy.
You don't get to be a Republican by being trustworthy.There are plenty of Democrats to reach out to. I’d bet they’d be willing to vote for a trustworthy R. Shit that person would only need like 10 Rs to vote for them.
Not many are however I am confident there are a handful. Otherwise remember our system is built upon compromise if no compromise can be attained Gov Shuts down because no spending bill.You don't get to be a Republican by being trustworthy.
I would rather see a Dem in those seats, but protecting them against MAGA in the primary would be a huge priority.I would even go so far as to "reward" one of those Pubs with a vote (primary and general) if they happened to represent my district (which none do).
ExactlyIf moderate Republicans were smart, especially those who reside in districts Biden won, if they want to neuter the freedom caucus they need to pinpoint an issue or two where they are comfortable joining with Democrats to issue a discharge petition and vote it into law.
If they aren't willing to break with their caucus on anything they are willingly giving veto power on every decision to the handful of craziest Republicans. I predict they are not willing to break with their caucus on anything.
It is far more likely that the last ~10 republicans that actually have a conscience will instead cave in to the crazies, and vote in an ultra-MAGA speaker to end the stalemate, rather than even try to vote with any Democrats for what passes as a moderate ("moderate" republican = extreme far right, but still sane).Imagine the bizzarovervse of 10 or so Republicans voting as a block with Dems to muscle passed the MAGA caucus, with a "moderate" GOP speaker at the helm.
While I wouldn't necessarily like the prospects for any disruptive legislation moving through that group, maybe they can at least act as caretakers (prevent shutdowns, keep funding going to Ukraine) until the next congress has been seated.
As outrageous as it sounds, it almost feels like the only "golden path" left open at the moment. If only by some miracle egos and tribalism take a back seat for a while.
I would even go so far as to "reward" one of those Pubs with a vote (primary and general) if they happened to represent my district (which none do).
100,000,000%It is far more likely that the last ~10 republicans that actually have a conscience will instead cave in to the crazies, and vote in an ultra-MAGA speaker to end the stalemate, rather than even try to vote with any Democrats for what passes as a moderate ("moderate" republican = extreme far right, but still sane).
Yep. We shouldn't rely on magical thinking to presume that some "moderate" Republicans are suddenly going to break rank and push for a Democratic Party speaker.It is far more likely that the last ~10 republicans that actually have a conscience will instead cave in to the crazies, and vote in an ultra-MAGA speaker to end the stalemate, rather than even try to vote with any Democrats for what passes as a moderate ("moderate" republican = extreme far right, but still sane).
I would rather see a Dem in those seats, but protecting them against MAGA in the primary would be a huge priority.
There's no way Republicans are going to elect a Democratic speaker. No fucking way. What MIGHT be possible is for moderate Republicans to team up with Democrats to elect a less crazy Republican. Even that's hard to see though.Yep. We shouldn't rely on magical thinking to presume that some "moderate" Republicans are suddenly going to break rank and push for a Democratic Party speaker.
If moderate Republicans were smart, especially those who reside in districts Biden won, if they want to neuter the freedom caucus they need to pinpoint an issue or two where they are comfortable joining with Democrats to issue a discharge petition and vote it into law.
If they aren't willing to break with their caucus on anything they are willingly giving veto power on every decision to the handful of craziest Republicans. I predict they are not willing to break with their caucus on anything.
I can’t remember the Republican Representative who said it but he summed this up well. Jordan would represent the same crazy people driving the clown car and expecting a different result.They're going to make Jim Jordan speaker and then grouse to the media bout how things aren't working out lol.
Yep. We shouldn't rely on magical thinking to presume that some "moderate" Republicans are suddenly going to break rank and push for a Democratic Party speaker.
This is a believable prediction.They're going to make Jim Jordan speaker and then grouse to the media bout how things aren't working out lol.
I doubt Democrats will readily help Republicans fix their house issues. It's not in Democrats' interests, and Republicans in general have shown themselves to be filthy liars. Republicans would have to give concrete concessions to pull some Democrats along, and they are not ready to give those.-Dem party leader? No. But if the Dems and a handful of Pubs go with a moderate Pub that makes a deal to just keep things open and funded until the new congress is seated I can see that potentially working.
- Everyone gets to say they made a deal to keep things running.
- Pubs still have the speakership as a feather in their cap, while Dems get to keep playing to oppo party card.
- MAGA Caucus is completely castrated of any power, which is good for Dems, Good for "mainstream" Pubs, and good for the country.
Granted those handful of Pubs might get their shit pushed in when their seats are up again, but if they're in Biden districts they might be able to weather the storm.
Are there 10 R seats in Biden districts that won't get primaried by the (what I suspect is now officially) third MAGA party?-Dem party leader? No. But if the Dems and a handful of Pubs go with a moderate Pub that makes a deal to just keep things open and funded until the new congress is seated I can see that potentially working.
- Everyone gets to say they made a deal to keep things running.
- Pubs still have the speakership as a feather in their cap, while Dems get to keep playing to oppo party card.
- MAGA Caucus is completely castrated of any power, which is good for Dems, Good for "mainstream" Pubs, and good for the country.
Granted those handful of Pubs might get their shit pushed in when their seats are up again, but if they're in Biden districts they might be able to weather the storm.
Most or all of them would definitely face a primary challenge. The thing is if they actually made a deal with Democrats to get the House under control they could probably extract a promise from Democrats not to run someone against them and then run as an independent.Are there 10 R seats in Biden districts that won't get primaried by the (what I suspect is now officially) third MAGA party?
Untrustworthy people tend to not expect deals to be held, so they don't accept them. You're now asking for 10 trustworthy R's in Biden districts that don't expect to get primaried into oblivion, to have a chance at keeping their job. Strains credulity.Most or all of them would definitely face a primary challenge. The thing is if they actually made a deal with Democrats to get the House under control they could probably extract a promise from Democrats not to run someone against them and then run as an independent.
This is of course all predicated on the fact that enough Republicans want to do this, which I am skeptical of.
I don't think minting the coin would help as that would only allow Biden to pay for spending already authorized and in this case it would be no spending authorized.Untrustworthy people tend to not expect deals to be held, so they don't accept them. You're now asking for 10 trustworthy R's in Biden districts that don't expect to get primaried into oblivion, to have a chance at keeping their job. Strains credulity.
I'm personally finding the 'no consensus on day 45 followed by a coin mint EO on day 46' scenario to be more likely.
GOPs in Biden districts get fed up and make a deal with the Dems for a non-POS R caretaker speaker.
There is no "mint the coin" process here. Money needs to be authorized and appropriated by an act of Congress.I'm personally finding the 'no consensus on day 45 followed by a coin mint EO on day 46' scenario to be more likely.
I don't think minting the coin would help as that would only allow Biden to pay for spending already authorized and in this case it would be no spending authorized.
There's no way out of a government shutdown other than a new set of appropriations or...well... something novel happening.
Fair enough. Maybe he can EO spending to each department? Lotta paperwork but most of congress has seemed happy to offload their job to the executive, not sure why this would be differentThere is no "mint the coin" process here. Money needs to be authorized and appropriated by an act of Congress.
My congressment is "Problem Solvers" Brian Fitzpatrick. He somehow bamboozles a ton of democrats in bucks county to vote for him. in 2020 there was a significant voters that voted Biden and then Fitzpatrick as the rep. He'll vote with dems on shit that is insignificant to boost his "bipartisan" appeal but when it comes down to it he is lockstep with the R's. Might be a time for him or someone like him to step up to the plate and throw their hat into the ring.Imagine the bizzarovervse of 10 or so Republicans voting as a block with Dems to muscle passed the MAGA caucus, with a "moderate" GOP speaker at the helm.
While I wouldn't necessarily like the prospects for any disruptive legislation moving through that group, maybe they can at least act as caretakers (prevent shutdowns, keep funding going to Ukraine) until the next congress has been seated.
As outrageous as it sounds, it almost feels like the only "golden path" left open at the moment. If only by some miracle egos and tribalism take a back seat for a while.
I would even go so far as to "reward" one of those Pubs with a vote (primary and general) if they happened to represent my district (which none do).
Trying to use EO to appropriate money would be very unconstitutional. Any reading of the Constitution notes that appropriating money is explicitly a power of Congress.Fair enough. Maybe he can EO spending to each department? Lotta paperwork but most of congress has seemed happy to offload their job to the executive, not sure why this would be different