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HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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I had to read that a few times to figure out what you were saying. Evidently you mean diversity, why do the Rs hate it. Well, thinking, people who are out there on the diversity scale tend to shy away from those who do not embrace diversity, eh? Common sense. Therefore the Democratic Party, those who represent and those who vote for their candidates are more diverse.

Where I live almost nobody votes R! I have never in my life. It's hell of diverse here, so much so that I have the sense that everybody is in the minority, unless you lump together various constituencies.
I was pointing out we had diverse leadership with Nancy Pelosi as speaker and that worked fairly well. Republicans go back to white guy rule and this is the result.
 

Thump553

Lifer
Jun 2, 2000
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I absolutely fail to see what sort of improvement Gym Jordan would be over McCarthy, especially if they retain the same rule allowing any R to bring down the speakership.

The best practical resolution at this point would be Jordan fails and McCarthy comes back, but only after he insists on a repeal of that rule first. Of course that would require McCarthy to show a spine-odds are if he does come back it will under the same set of rules as before.
 
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Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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I was pointing out we had diverse leadership with Nancy Pelosi as speaker and that worked fairly well. Republicans go back to white guy rule and this is the result.
I AM a Nancy Pelosi fan! She said she got her chops managing a large family, said that managing The House was way easier.
Supposed to start at noon.
That's in 1/2 an hour.

I have always hated McCarthy, but compared to Jordan he now looks a saint.
 
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eelw

Diamond Member
Dec 4, 1999
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I absolutely fail to see what sort of improvement Gym Jordan would be over McCarthy, especially if they retain the same rule allowing any R to bring down the speakership.

The best practical resolution at this point would be Jordan fails and McCarthy comes back, but only after he insists on a repeal of that rule first. Of course that would require McCarthy to show a spine-odds are if he does come back it will under the same set of rules as before.
Yeah with how much pandering the spineless one did, afraid what the next jellyfish speaker is capable of?
 
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Pohemi

Diamond Member
Oct 2, 2004
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Yeah with how much pandering the spineless one did, afraid what the next jellyfish speaker is capable of?
If it ends up being little Gymmie...he won't need to pander much. He's one of the extremes in there already, focused on conspiracies instead of reality and acting vindictively towards Democrats or anyone he doesn't like (or that the orange god doesn't like, etc).
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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The republicans are a joke. Word is Jordan has not pledged to do anything the moderates want, just he will keep their needs in mind. These moderates are useless, we all know what Jordan is, this is the boy that cried wolf a million times. He is who he is. I can't believe these so-called moderates roll over so easily to extremism. Like someone said in this thread, at this point they aren't really moderate anymore, all shitheads.
 
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K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
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Hm testaments to Gym's prowess as a wrestling coach, who somehow managed not to observe massive sexual abuse happening under his watch.

What's next tearful odes to Dennis Hastert?
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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Aguilar calling Jordan out for the trash he is, usually he would only focus on the Dem he is nominating.
 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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What is the voting system involved here? Why can't all the candidates just put themselves forward, and then the one who gets the most votes become Speaker? Presumably it's not just simple majority vote (or plurality or single-transferable vote, or ordered-preference voting) or this would have been resolved ages ago, but what's the exact complication that seems to make it impossible to elect _anyone_?
(Tried to google that but just found lots of accounts of the shennanigans that have been going on, without a clear explanation of what the voting procedure actually is in principle)
 

dullard

Elite Member
May 21, 2001
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What is the voting system involved here? Why can't all the candidates just put themselves forward, and then the one who gets the most votes become Speaker? Presumably it's not just simple majority vote (or plurality or single-transferable vote, or ordered-preference voting) or this would have been resolved ages ago, but what's the exact complication that seems to make it impossible to elect _anyone_?
(Tried to google that but just found lots of accounts of the shennanigans that have been going on, without a clear explanation of what the voting procedure actually is in principle)
To be elected speaker, a candidate must receive a majority of votes from the members present and voting. If no candidate wins a majority, the roll call is repeated until a speaker is elected. Looks like Jeffries will get about 49%, Jordan about 46%, and others make up the rest of the votes. No one got a majority (over 50%). Jeffries will get a plurality (most votes but not over 50%).
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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What is the voting system involved here? Why can't all the candidates just put themselves forward, and then the one who gets the most votes become Speaker? Presumably it's not just simple majority vote (or plurality or single-transferable vote, or ordered-preference voting) or this would have been resolved ages ago, but what's the exact complication that seems to make it impossible to elect _anyone_?
(Tried to google that but just found lots of accounts of the shennanigans that have been going on, without a clear explanation of what the voting procedure actually is in principle)
There's really no complication here - it's that Republicans are insisting on electing a speaker with only Republican votes and they can't settle on anyone. It would be extremely easy to elect a speaker if a handful of Republicans made a deal with Democrats to elect a moderate Republican in exchange for some process concessions.

So it's not impossible to elect anyone, Republicans just don't want to elect someone.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
21,920
20,206
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Imagine. The GQP is just 14 votes shy of electing a total extremist to be Speaker. That's not a big buffer at all from total insanity. Imagine having to pray that 16 people maintain some level of morals through multiple voting rounds in order to prevent a lunatic to be Speaker of the House. Ultimately, that's pretty fucking frightening.
 
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eelw

Diamond Member
Dec 4, 1999
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Gym talking to some holdover. Like idiot, if you convince some to just vote present, it helps Dems
 
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