House Speaker election/circus/all ages carnival - ongoing coverage

[Dave_5k]

The Dems could do far worse than just giving McHenry more powers to act as interim speaker. At least McHenry voted against overthrowing the republic for god king Trump, unlike 2/3 of the republicans.

And unlike Jordan who was a key player pushing for the insurrection both before, during, and after J6 - including trying to get a pre-emptive pardon from Trump for his participation in J6.

 

[eelw]

The Dems could do far worse than just giving McHenry more powers to act as interim speaker. At least McHenry voted against overthrowing the republic for god king Trump, unlike 2/3 of the republicans.

And unlike Jordan who was a key player pushing for the insurrection both before, during, and after J6 - including trying to get a pre-emptive pardon from Trump for his participation in J6.

Sure he wants to be constitutional correct. He is still a spineless one butt kisser. He evicted Pelosi from the office because the spineless one said so. Reporter said he doesn’t want Dem votes to increase his interm speaker powers. But sadly he’ll need them because I highly doubt Gaetz and gang will support this.

 

[MrSquished]

Yeah it’s basically the legislative branch ignoring its responsibilities. It’s going to be a rough ride if the GOP continues to allow 4 to 8 members to throw a monkey wrench into the works at will in the House.

Dude you better be thankful for eight members of the GQP if they still continue voting against Jim Jordan. I mean you should fucking send them thank you letters with a middle finger in them too but definitely a thank you letter.

 

[Muse]

Lenny Bruce said "you remember the people who bust your balls." I figure there are a few R's in the HOR who fall into that category vis a vis Gym Jordan and will hesitate to vote for him, particularly if it doesn't cost them not to.

 

[HomerJS]

And Gym Jordan continues his streak of never getting anything passed on the floor of the house.

I bet he passed wind on the floor at some time

 

[Pens1566]

I bet he passed wind on the floor at some time

Maybe.

But due to anatomical gerrymandering, it exited through his mouth.

 

[pmv]

I think it was the "The Germans" episode of Fawlty Towers that ended with one of the Germans looking on in bemusement at Basil's madness and declaring "however did they win the war?".

This seems to merit the same response.

 

[K1052]

McHenry empowered in a deal with the Dems seeming likely he most likely outcome at this point.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1714641411167957494

 

[Brainonska511]

McHenry empowered in a deal with the Dems seeming likely he most likely outcome at this point.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1714641411167957494

Republicans want to choose the route that frees them from thought and responsibility.

 

[Pens1566]

McHenry empowered in a deal with the Dems seeming likely he most likely outcome at this point.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1714641411167957494

Jordan will lose votes in the second round.

Stick a fork in him.

 

[brycejones]

Well the fundies be dumb enough to primary members in competitivish districts who don't support Jordan or the next nut job?

 

[dullard]

That sounds suspiciously like a “major question”. The current SCOTUS would just rule the President does not have that power. Also when it comes to the budget aka authorizing the government to spend money that power does lie with the legislative branch.

I agree with your sentiment when it comes to the debt limit. But when it comes to actually establishing the budget that is clearly the power of the legislative branch.

I see no reason that congress couldn't pass a budget that is indefinite. The budget is $X a year, divided into categories Y, with Z inflation increases per year. Then congress could pass new legislation to adjust X, Y, and Z whenever they see fit. The constitution doesn't place yearly limits on the powers of congress*.

* See IronWing's post below for one limitation: non-Naval military expenses.

Not only that, it explicitly lies with the legislative branch - it isn't something ambiguous.

Anyway, CRs (ie, the status quo) are kind of not that great. Sure, the government doesn't shut down, but they also keep funding going to programs that might need to be ended (or have that funding reallocated), new programs can't start up, and funding levels remain flat (so effectively being cut relative to inflation).

But, the Supreme Court has already ruled that the president can override the legislature on funding as long as it is remotely related. See the border wall case where money for the pentagon was allowed to be spent on the border wall instead. So, as it stands now, the president could start new programs, effectively end programs, etc, with a continuing budget. The ruling doesn't seem to be based on the constitution at all, but the ruling stands for now.

 

[IronWing]

I see no reason that congress couldn't pass a budget that is indefinite. The budget is $X a year, divided into categories Y, with Z inflation increases per year. Then congress could pass new legislation to adjust X, Y, and Z whenever they see fit. The constitution doesn't place yearly limits on the powers of congress.

True, except for funding non-Navy military expenses. Article 2, Section 8: "To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;". Naval funding can run for as many years as Congress wishes.

 

[dullard]

True, except for funding non-Navy military expenses. Article 2, Section 8: "To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;". Naval funding can run for as many years as Congress wishes.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Brainonska511]

But, the Supreme Court has already ruled that the president can override the legislature on funding as long as it is remotely related. See the border wall case where money for the pentagon was allowed to be spent on the border wall instead. So, as it stands now, the president could start new programs, effectively end programs, etc, with a continuing budget

That likely only applies when the President is also a Republican, like the conservative majority of the Supreme Court. Otherwise, prepare to be bombarded by nationwide injunctions issued from the most conservative district courts in the most conservative circuits.

 

[HomerJS]

Well the fundies be dumb enough to primary members in competitivish districts who don't support Jordan or the next nut job?

Could have stopped here.

 

[Pens1566]

Could have stopped here.

Bastard. I was gonna post the same thing

 

[dullard]

As the numbers stand now, Jordan lost again if all democrats vote.

 

[K1052]

Jordan's masterful gambit to keep voting and losing more votes on each round seems to be paying off.

 

[woolfe9998]

LOL he lost 2 R votes he had in the last round.

 

[dullard]

I think the GOP's best strategical move now would be to vote for Jeffries. It sounds counter-intuitive. But, it means that they can sit back this year, vote no on everything (since the GOP still has the most votes nothing that the democrats want will get passed), get all the damage that they want to the US economy/world position, and still get to blame all those consequences on Democrats who would be in charge of the house, senate, and presidency. Seems like the surest way for them to get votes next year while still denying Biden everything.

 

[HomerJS]

I think the GOP's best move now would be to vote for Jeffries. It sounds counter-intuitive. But, it means that they can sit back this year, vote no on everything (since the GOP still has the most votes nothing that the democrats want will get passed), get all the damage that they want to the US economy/world position, and still get to blame all consequences on Democrats who would be in charge of the house, senate, and presidency. Seems like the surest way for them to get votes next year while still denying Biden everything.

Republicans gonna vote for him? Hahahahaha!

Joke is over. Reason they can't is Speaker can bring votes to the floor that can't be won by Jefferies but would embarrass the hell out of Republicans. Also Jefferies wouldn't go along with it unless they change rule of one vote to vacate.

 

[K1052]

The basic premise that the GOP majority is non-functional and that some Rs need to cut a deal to move forward is still quite intact.

 

[hal2kilo]

To paraphrase Yogi Berra, it's like deja vu all over again.

 

[IronWing]

I think the GOP's best strategical move now would be to vote for Jeffries. It sounds counter-intuitive. But, it means that they can sit back this year, vote no on everything (since the GOP still has the most votes nothing that the democrats want will get passed), get all the damage that they want to the US economy/world position, and still get to blame all those consequences on Democrats who would be in charge of the house, senate, and presidency. Seems like the surest way for them to get votes next year while still denying Biden everything.

Under current House rules, the Reps would lose control of committee appointments if they did that. That ain't happening.