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K1052

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If some "moderate" republicans (moderate in quotes because let's face it - there are no true moderate Republicans any more) want to cross the aisle and give Democrats some substantial concessions in order for a speaker to be installed, then the offer could potentially be considered.

Republicans sitting in Biden won districts would likely at a minimum be willing to entertain terms if this keeps up for a while. I don't think this is the most probable outcome but might rise if the holdouts simply won't agree on anyone the rest of the caucus could vote for.
 
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fskimospy

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Republicans sitting in Biden won districts would likely at a minimum be willing to entertain terms if this keeps up for a while. I don't think this is the most probable outcome but might rise if the holdouts simply won't agree on anyone the rest of the caucus could vote for.
What I keep trying to figure out is ‘if not McCarthy then who?’ and I can’t come up with any good answers. This leads me to think it will eventually be McCarthy but he will be incredibly weak.

A lot of the other candidates seem crazy to me. Like for example it’s not going to be Trump. Not only could he not win the vote, I see no indication he’s even remotely interested in the job.
 

Pens1566

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What I keep trying to figure out is ‘if not McCarthy then who?’ and I can’t come up with any good answers. This leads me to think it will eventually be McCarthy but he will be incredibly weak.

A lot of the other candidates seem crazy to me. Like for example it’s not going to be Trump. Not only could he not win the vote, I see no indication he’s even remotely interested in the job.

I don't think there is any way McCarthy wins unless he grants MAJOR concessions to the Ds and they give him 6 votes. More likely it ends up being someone like Scalise or Stefanik.
 

K1052

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What I keep trying to figure out is ‘if not McCarthy then who?’ and I can’t come up with any good answers. This leads me to think it will eventually be McCarthy but he will be incredibly weak.

A lot of the other candidates seem crazy to me. Like for example it’s not going to be Trump. Not only could he not win the vote, I see no indication he’s even remotely interested in the job.

The refusers seem entertained and emboldened by the spectacle so I do doubt they reverse themselves and vote for him. Possible but I don't see it right now.
 
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eelw

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What I keep trying to figure out is ‘if not McCarthy then who?’ and I can’t come up with any good answers. This leads me to think it will eventually be McCarthy but he will be incredibly weak.
Doesn’t matter at this point. As long the candidate has a backbone, its an improvement. And once he gives up this vanity project and removes his name for consideration, they can test the waters with the next choice. Obviously that vote will fail, then the next candidate. Better to try 6 votes on different people than the same spineless one failure after failure after failure.
 

eelw

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Lol NC representatives says his office is receiving calls 10:1 in favour what is going on
 

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I don't think there is any way McCarthy wins unless he grants MAJOR concessions to the Ds and they give him 6 votes. More likely it ends up being someone like Scalise or Stefanik.
I don't think McCarthy can afford to make a deal with Dems to win. I think he would almost instantly be voted back out by his own party.
No, I believe that the Freedumb Carcass is just making a point and will eventually vote for him. Right now there is no real legislative agenda at risk, so they can have their little temper tantrum at almost no cost. They are all well aware that the majority of Americans, and practically everyone who would even consider voting Republican does not care enough to pay attention to what amounts to a parliamentary procedure of the House. If there is still no Speaker by the time the Senate returns, then people will start to take notice, but right now they are safe from any backlash.
 
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Dave_5k

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I don't think there is any way McCarthy wins unless he grants MAJOR concessions to the Ds and they give him 6 votes. More likely it ends up being someone like Scalise or Stefanik.
If McCarthy actually agrees to major concessions to the Democrats, he's going to need ~15+ votes from the Dems, as no way he'll get back any of the 20 Rs voting against him now, and may even lose more with even talk of any such concessions.

And the Dems better get such concessions in a legally binding contract backed by hard assets in escrow (like the largest Republican super-PAC accounts)
 

compcons

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If McCarthy actually agrees to major concessions to the Democrats, he's going to need ~15+ votes from the Dems, as no way he'll get back any of the 20 Rs voting against him now, and may even lose more with even talk of any such concessions.

And the Dems better get such concessions in a legally binding contract backed by hard assets in escrow (like the largest Republican super-PAC accounts)
Nah. It's like Lucy and the damn football.
 
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Guys, guys remember the Freedumb caucus folks want and are proud to have a non functioning government. The fact that nothing gets done while they decide whom will be speaker is a feature not a bug.
 
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interesting till 8pm.
wonder why 8pm instead of tommorow?
Probably to eat and refresh. I believe Democrats need to agree and it’s possible they are angling for an all nighter.
Lots of speculation in this post. I could easily be wrong or factually wrong.
 

Pens1566

Lifer
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If McCarthy actually agrees to major concessions to the Democrats, he's going to need ~15+ votes from the Dems, as no way he'll get back any of the 20 Rs voting against him now, and may even lose more with even talk of any such concessions.

And the Dems better get such concessions in a legally binding contract backed by hard assets in escrow (like the largest Republican super-PAC accounts)

It's possible ... they do have 212 to play with. Depends on how many of the current McCarthy votes are either a) sane or b) in close/swing districts that they'd be in jeopardy of losing based on this going for too long.
 
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