How a family spends away $500K per year

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Anubis

No Lifer
Aug 31, 2001
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Peoria Illinois suburbs. A little town called Washington. We're about 3 hours south of Chicago. What kind of childcare was your sister paying for? Was it more like an actual school were they prep the kids for grade school/early learning or was it just a woman in her home watching kids all day.

was basically a nanny, non live in, kinds too young to be in school like 1-4 thing she watched 2-3 other kids of the same age
 

VirtualLarry

No Lifer
Aug 25, 2001
56,542
10,167
126
Yeah, they're screwing me hardcore.

When I called them to get insurance, they quoted me $2000. When I asked why so much, they claimed that it was because I hadn't had insurance for the previous year. (That was true.)

So, the only reason that I agreed to that, was that I (mistakenly) believed that my rates would go down to around half of that, after the first year.

But then, next year, they raise my price $200, at the same time they gave me "accident forgiveness". I hadn't made any claims against my insurance.
 

VirtualLarry

No Lifer
Aug 25, 2001
56,542
10,167
126
Do you have full coverage on your 2004 van? Do you have clean record?
No, and no. I backed into a car that pulled up behind me in a parking lot in 2004. One speeding ticket from ages ago, when I was in my 20s.
 

VirtualLarry

No Lifer
Aug 25, 2001
56,542
10,167
126
So did you shop around? Liberty Mutual was the lowest?
No, I didn't shop around. I went with them, because they could e-mail me the documents I needed to get my vehicle back on the road, the next day. They were the first company that I called.
 

LikeLinus

Lifer
Jul 25, 2001
11,518
670
126
No, I didn't shop around. I went with them, because they could e-mail me the documents I needed to get my vehicle back on the road, the next day. They were the first company that I called.
I seriously recommend looking into a new carrier. Also try to bundle your home insurance as well. Wife and I have a Luxury Sports Sedan and SUV. We pay $1200 per year for full coverage.
 

VirtualLarry

No Lifer
Aug 25, 2001
56,542
10,167
126
I did have an unfortunate incident, where I lost my license for a year, because my chicken-little lying/delusional mom called the cops one time and said that I "shouldn't be driving". She thought that I had a stroke. She's basically crazy, or at least believes her own worries and delusions. She had me "arrested" once, on vacation, for "running away", when I was a perfectly rational, capable adult, and I was simply walking downtown looking for a pay phone to call her and let her know that I would be late. (How can I be "running away", when I'm in my mid-20s.)

I have a reasonably clean record, I'm not a problematic driver, I'm not accident-prone, I don't drink or do drugs.

If it were simply that I fell into their "high-risk" pool, for that incident - shouldn't they have told me that? Or is their policy to lie to customers, and make up stories as to why their prices are so high?
 

VirtualLarry

No Lifer
Aug 25, 2001
56,542
10,167
126
Another thing, that makes them like Comcast in their billing policies.

Their insurance policy, in the electronic documents, lists every coverage benefit, and what the policy cost is of the benefit. The total cost, is the cost of your policy.

So I called their agent a while ago, and tried to lower the cost of my policy. (I have more than state minimums, due to my mother scaring me about stories of "uninsured mexicans" hitting me and suing me on purpose.)

Anyways, I tried to lower my policy costs on one of my coverage benefits by like $600, and the agent said that would only save me $150 off of my total policy cost. Why? The only reason that they could give me, was "discounts". Yet, those prices, in the electronic documents, claim to "include all discounts". (*)

So, in reality, they charge you to the hilt, regardless of your actual coverages, because they "massage" the numbers, to come up with something that matches what your initial coverage agreement was, because they figure that the initial amount that you agreed to, is what you can afford.

It doesn't help that my "assigned agent", lives in a Ritchy-rich town,.

I guess, going in, I didn't realize that getting insurance was like negotiating on a used vehicle.

I'm paying as much in insurance, (without Comprehensive), as my Blue Book value on my vehicle. Every year.

Edit: I guess, I would feel better, and with less animosity towards LM, if they would only be honest with me, and not "beat around the bush", and tell me that they put me in a "high-risk pool", and that's why they've increased my policy costs successively every year, even when I haven't had any tickets or accidents.

(*) For those doing the math, and using logic. If all of the policy benefits costs are added together, and they "include all discounts", then by simple logic, if you reduce the cost of one of them by X, then the total should also go down by X. The fact that they are only going down by Y, when Y is less than X, means that they are raising the cost of the other policy benefits to compensate, or offset for, the decrease in cost of one of them. Which means, that the cost of those benefits is NOT based on risk and risk-sharing, but also, marketing.

One other thing to note is, I have no idea what my credit score is. So, one thing that I've heard is, that insurance companies now charge you, not on your risk factors, but simply, your credit score.

Since my score is probably not too high, that could also explain my insurance costs, although not entirely, if they are "playing with the numbers", as I've previously explained.

But I would appreciate if they were forthright, and told me straight out that the reason that they could only offer me expensive auto insurance coverage, was because my credit score was poor, at least I would know how to improve the situation.
 
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shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
80,287
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You need to get that one free annual credit report.
There could be all kinds of crazy shit on your record that you dont know about. Many of them errors.
 

foghorn67

Lifer
Jan 3, 2006
11,883
62
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Another thing, that makes them like Comcast in their billing policies.

Their insurance policy, in the electronic documents, lists every coverage benefit, and what the policy cost is of the benefit. The total cost, is the cost of your policy.

So I called their agent a while ago, and tried to lower the cost of my policy. (I have more than state minimums, due to my mother scaring me about stories of "uninsured mexicans" hitting me and suing me on purpose.)

Anyways, I tried to lower my policy costs on one of my coverage benefits by like $600, and the agent said that would only save me $150 off of my total policy cost. Why? The only reason that they could give me, was "discounts". Yet, those prices, in the electronic documents, claim to "include all discounts". (*)

So, in reality, they charge you to the hilt, regardless of your actual coverages, because they "massage" the numbers, to come up with something that matches what your initial coverage agreement was, because they figure that the initial amount that you agreed to, is what you can afford.

It doesn't help that my "assigned agent", lives in a Ritchy-rich town,.

I guess, going in, I didn't realize that getting insurance was like negotiating on a used vehicle.

I'm paying as much in insurance, (without Comprehensive), as my Blue Book value on my vehicle. Every year.

Edit: I guess, I would feel better, and with less animosity towards LM, if they would only be honest with me, and not "beat around the bush", and tell me that they put me in a "high-risk pool", and that's why they've increased my policy costs successively every year, even when I haven't had any tickets or accidents.

(*) For those doing the math, and using logic. If all of the policy benefits costs are added together, and they "include all discounts", then by simple logic, if you reduce the cost of one of them by X, then the total should also go down by X. The fact that they are only going down by Y, when Y is less than X, means that they are raising the cost of the other policy benefits to compensate, or offset for, the decrease in cost of one of them. Which means, that the cost of those benefits is NOT based on risk and risk-sharing, but also, marketing.

One other thing to note is, I have no idea what my credit score is. So, one thing that I've heard is, that insurance companies now charge you, not on your risk factors, but simply, your credit score.

Since my score is probably not too high, that could also explain my insurance costs, although not entirely, if they are "playing with the numbers", as I've previously explained.

But I would appreciate if they were forthright, and told me straight out that the reason that they could only offer me expensive auto insurance coverage, was because my credit score was poor, at least I would know how to improve the situation.
Being frugal isn't the only ingredient to being financially responsible. You never checked your credit, and you failed to shop for insurance. Stop being angry at others and start taking charge.
 
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magomago

Lifer
Sep 28, 2002
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Family doesn't have good priorities if they are barely saving 7K a year:

+ Too many Vacations, cut it down to once a year (save 12K/year)
+ 20K/year in donations? I'm not saying no to Charity, but build a financial cushion first and get rid of your debt before you put in 20K/year on Charity. Some Charity yes, but 20K/year is huge and could probably pay off those cars. (SAVE 20k/year)
+ 10K/year in clothing? Even if it isn't fancy, do they seriously need to replace wardrobes year in and year out? Children maybe, but Kids clothes shouldn't be running more than 1K/year even if you replace everything! (save 9K)

Cutting down on some easy money (42k/year), and putting it to their debts, they can easily start collecting 50K+ year in savings. Then go and donate 10-20K after that.
 

ImpulsE69

Lifer
Jan 8, 2010
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So, they buy a 1.5 million dollar house, and spit out 2 kids, and expect us to feel bad for them? SMH. At least they aren't on wellfare.

Also, I would imagine I haven't spent 12k on clothes...in 20 years, let alone every year. I mean, they basically are like "oh we makes lots of money, let's spend it all".

I mean, it's not about them spending money so much, but if you look, they spend a ton of money in many areas, rather than making sacrifices in other areas.
 
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Feneant2

Golden Member
May 26, 2004
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Its too bad the article doesn't compare it to a national average... hard to find pity for someone choosing to live in a big city and then whining at not being able to make ends meet while making a salary that would make most of us weep of joy. They choose to live in uber pricey areas and then whine about how expensive stuff is. The average household income where I live is about 52k a year! Hell, their tax bill alone would cover both my mortgage and property taxes with about 4500$ to spare!

What a world we live in... when the 1% complain about not making ends meet, what chance do the other 99% of us have?
 

NetWareHead

THAT guy
Aug 10, 2002
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If I made half a million and only had 7300 remaining at the end of the year, the first thing Id do is cut out that charity. Seriously, giving away 18K a year?
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
38,130
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Childcare for two at 42 k is fricking criminal.
Meh, $87 per day per kid. At roughly 10 hours per day, not really

Edit: and licensed child care is another deduction on the list. I'm curious what this family would pay/get back in taxes at the end of the year
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
38,130
18,602
146
If I made half a million and only had 7300 remaining at the end of the year, the first thing Id do is cut out that charity. Seriously, giving away 18K a year?
They do it for tax purposes. Just like maxing out the 401k

I'd probably start reducing vacations and tighten up the "emergency" funds. Then maybe look at lessons for the kids to see which ones they actually want to do versus the ones I'm living vicariously thru them for
 

Exterous

Super Moderator
Jun 20, 2006
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So, they buy a 1.5 million dollar house, and spit out 2 kids, and expect us to feel bad for them? SMH. At least they aren't on wellfare.

Also, I would imagine I haven't spent 12k on clothes...in 20 years, let alone every year. I mean, they basically are like "oh we makes lots of money, let's spend it all".

I mean, it's not about them spending money so much, but if you look, they spend a ton of money in many areas, rather than making sacrifices in other areas.

I don't think they expect people to feel bad for them - just trying to get across that $500k isn't as much as some people may think. I mean that tax rates takes a giant chunk out of their salary right off the top, probably more than many people realize in comparison to their own lives. I think a lot people in more crowded tax brackets just see the top tax rate for that bracket and think thats what they pay without figuring out their actual effective tax rate. And yes there are lots of places they can make cuts but that generally seems true of most people. Spending expands to your income and savings falling by the wayside seems like a general rule. Even though they are maxing their 401ks at this rate I expect they will be unhappy with the results given their spending levels
 

RockinZ28

Platinum Member
Mar 5, 2008
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That's just a slap in the face of the actual average person to even hint at "feeling" average making 500k.

Make far less than that, and it's easy to see how much better off I am than average. And I don't live in a 1.5m home and take 3 expensive vacations per year while maxing out retirement.

They're just completely out of touch with what average is.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

IN MEMORIAM
Jun 19, 2004
24,122
1,594
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That's just a slap in the face of the actual average person to even hint at "feeling" average making 500k.

Make far less than that, and it's easy to see how much better off I am than average. And I don't live in a 1.5m home and take 3 expensive vacations per year while maxing out retirement.

They're just completely out of touch with what average is.
Kinda like the government.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

IN MEMORIAM
Jun 19, 2004
24,122
1,594
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Meh, $87 per day per kid. At roughly 10 hours per day, not really

Edit: and licensed child care is another deduction on the list. I'm curious what this family would pay/get back in taxes at the end of the year
Tell you what, pay me 42k a year and I'll keep them 24/7 and return them when they're 18.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

IN MEMORIAM
Jun 19, 2004
24,122
1,594
126
Easy there, I'll need to see a full background check, your childcare license, and the urine / hair sample test results.
Let's see, I have government clearance up to "secret," believe kids should be stirred not shaken and, I don't smoke anything legal. Mostly , I think anyone considering my offer shouldn't have had kids in the first place.
 
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