How are FX CPUs (as well as the server versions) selling?

[Vesku]

problem is memory support for bang for buck workstations (for my interest fields). AMD has no high end desktop platform at all.

There are quite reasonably priced AM3+ motherboards that support ECC. Granted only up to 32GB of RAM support but S1155 Intel Xeon motherboards have similar capacity limitations. The FX-63xx/83xx are probably AMD's only mildly interesting non-APU parts since they can be used as a budget server or workstation due to ECC support, being frequency unlocked, and not having features arbitrarily disabled like Intel's consumer K series. Wouldn't surprise me if quite a bit of remaining AM3+ sales are for such workstation and server builds.

 

[mrmt]

There are quite reasonably priced AM3+ motherboards that support ECC. Granted only up to 32GB of RAM support but S1155 Intel Xeon motherboards have similar capacity limitations. The FX-63xx/83xx are probably AMD's only mildly interesting non-APU parts since they can be used as a budget server or workstation due to ECC support, being frequency unlocked, and not having features arbitrarily disabled like Intel's consumer K series. Wouldn't surprise me if quite a bit of remaining AM3+ sales are for such workstation and server builds.

Overclock a workstation? Why bother with ecc in the first place?

 

[Vesku]

Overclock a workstation? Why bother with ecc in the first place?

Uh, why would you ditch error correction options whether at stock or OCed?

With the option available certainly some people will be willing to go beyond stock and overclock, there has been stable headroom with CPUs (even if locked away) since pretty much the beginning of commercial computing. There is also the flexibility to undervolt/underclock with a completely unlocked CPU. If Intel offered an unlocked Xeon do you think there would be no one willing to OC or undervolt them in production environments?

 

[ShintaiDK]

If you OC, you already decided that ECC is not important. Since you have the chance of silent data corruption from your CPU.

When you overclock you give a rats rear about your data integrity.

 

[Dresdenboy]

If you OC, you already decided that ECC is not important. Since you have the chance of silent data corruption from your CPU.

When you overclock you give a rats rear about your data integrity.

+1

 

[mrmt]

If you OC, you already decided that ECC is not important. Since you have the chance of silent data corruption from your CPU.

When you overclock you give a rats rear about your data integrity.

This, Vesku. If you are worried about errors, why would you push a component beyond the specifications validated by the manufacturer when you do not have the means to validate whether your setup is fine after overclocking?

 

[Homeles]

Remember VRM quantity isnt the only determining factor when considering which one is better.

PS: Damn that is one good looking motherboard, but AMD MSI's mobos still have a stain in my book

Well the ferrite chokes look fairly high end... they're SFCs. The caps are "dark caps," which supposedly have a long lifespan and high heat resistance. Can't comment on the MOSFETs, but you get the point -- MSI wasn't skimping on this board.

 

[shady28]

See images below as to why they are still selling well, and why (IMO) the FX-6300 / 6350 is still a better deal than the i3 in most situations :

 

[Erenhardt]

Thats why they sold me fx6300...

Well, I had to add only 20$ on top of what I got from selling my phenom III 965

also, new fx:
https://twitter.com/amd_roy/status/480034598554845184/photo/1

 

[AtenRa]

also, new fx:
https://twitter.com/amd_roy/status/480034598554845184/photo/1

 

[Tsavo]

Well, as for now, Intel releases unedited die shots, and it's fairly easy to see that they don't have anything on die that would do such a thing.

Don't be silly. It'd be trivial for Intel to embed photographing CMOS tech onto their chips so they can physically watch anything you are doing.

[cue creepy theremin music]

 

[daveybrat]

Thats why they sold me fx6300...

Well, I had to add only 20$ on top of what I got from selling my phenom III 965

also, new fx:
https://twitter.com/amd_roy/status/480034598554845184/photo/1

I wonder what it is? Just a 9000 series FX bundled with a water-cooler?

Or could it really be a Steamroller based AM3+ FX chip? (dreaming).

 

[Homeles]

We'd probably have heard some noise if a Steamroller part were launching soon.

 

[hungtran]

Has this ever been refuted?

http://www.infowars.com/intel-ceo-refuses-to-answer-questions-on-whether-nsa-can-access-processors/

 

[Homeles]

Has this ever been refuted?

http://www.infowars.com/intel-ceo-refuses-to-answer-questions-on-whether-nsa-can-access-processors/

Yeah, I refuted it already.

Well, as for now, Intel releases unedited die shots, and it's fairly easy to see that they don't have anything on die that would do such a thing.

Please stop visiting that site.

 

[Vesku]

If you OC, you already decided that ECC is not important. Since you have the chance of silent data corruption from your CPU.

When you overclock you give a rats rear about your data integrity.

Incorrect you've decided to test stability yourself rather than rely on the manufacturers rating. The CPU manufacturer can't protect you 100% from potential errors and failures they merely set the parameters for what performance and features they will warranty and rest their reputation on at a particular price.

ECC protects from errors in the DRAM itself: http://techcrunch.com/2009/11/02/new-study-proves-that-ecc-memory-may-well-be-worth-the-extra-cost/

Overclocking does not make ECC memory any less useful than when it is paired with a stock CPU.

 

[mrmt]

Incorrect you've decided to test stability yourself rather than rely on the manufacturers rating. The CPU manufacturer can't protect you 100% from potential errors and failures they merely set the parameters for what performance and features they will warranty and rest their reputation on at a particular price.

And do you think you have the tools to test the stability yourself?

 

[Vesku]

And do you think you have the tools to test the stability yourself?

Yes, access to multiple computers other than the one to be tested and software tools to compile executables. However, if my testing detects instability I do not possess all the physical tools necessary to determine the cause.

 

[frozentundra123456]

See images below as to why they are still selling well, and why (IMO) the FX-6300 / 6350 is still a better deal than the i3 in most situations :

The microcenter bundle on the FX6300 is in fact very attractive for gaming when adding a discrete card. However, that is a deal that is not available to most buyers. On new egg the difference between FX6300 and i3 4130 is less than 10.00. So it is a toss up both in terms of price and gaming performance unless you happen to live close to a microcenter.

As for the FX6300 "selling well", do you have any sales figures vs i3 or even AMDs own APUs?

 

[SPBHM]

good luck with 6350 + 760G 3+1 phase board...
also with getting the same relative performance (as with 3d rendering) out of other applications like games

and 4360 + z97

4130/4150+h81 is what you should be looking at.


hopefully the new FX is AM3+ steamroller, or 3-4 modules fm2+, if not... well, whatever.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Too bad microcenter doesnt give a better combo deal on the i3. With the bundles they have, it is a no-brainer to spend 50.00 more on the 4670k combo deal. I dont know why they pair an i3 with a z97 board, except maybe looking to move up to an i5 later.

 

[shady28]

The microcenter bundle on the FX6300 is in fact very attractive for gaming when adding a discrete card. However, that is a deal that is not available to most buyers. On new egg the difference between FX6300 and i3 4130 is less than 10.00. So it is a toss up both in terms of price and gaming performance unless you happen to live close to a microcenter.

As for the FX6300 "selling well", do you have any sales figures vs i3 or even AMDs own APUs?

I think someone already provided that CPUs without iGPUs were making up 30% of AMD sales. I would say that's pretty good for a bunch of 2-3 year old parts.

Frys shows the FX-6350 (which has a 12% higher clock than the 6300) is $97 vs $159 for the i3-4360.

In my experience Newegg is almost always overpriced on AMD parts.

 

[AtenRa]

Ehmm, that GA-78LMT-S2P doesn't officially support the FX6350 but it should be fine with the FX6300.

http://www.gigabyte.com/support-downloads/cpu-support-popup.aspx?pid=4125

 

[Erenhardt]

good luck with 6350 + 760G 3+1 phase board...

I have 6300 OCed to 4.4GHz on 760G 3+1 Asus M5A78LM-LX uATX board

 

[SPBHM]

I have 6300 OCed to 4.4GHz on 760G 3+1 Asus M5A78LM-LX uATX board

I recommend cooling the VRMs, and avoiding prime95.