How are the old beetles

T2urtle

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Im considering buying one mid 70s hard top beetle. Kinda like the look. Dont know crap about them but like some of the prices.$2k for old but running and some as low as $6k for decent restro.

From what I heard these cars are very simple design and hardly goes bad. I even saw 3 in the junkyard here in chicago.

How are parts for this? How easy is itbto learn to wrench on this? Any great forums? My purpose to just drive around. Not drag or baha this thing.
 

Kaido

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Guy in my town converted his to electric, pretty neat project.

There's a ton of resources for fixing them up. I was looking into buying a nice semi-running one for a grand, but the safety aspect of actually driving it around (i.e. fender benders would probably kill you thanks to a lack of airbags & crumple zones haha) kept me from doing it. But there's all kinds of fun stuff you can do to them, even put an entirely new engine in it with a warranty:

http://www.darrylsvw.com/

Add a push-to-start system:

http://www.digitalguarddawg.com/KEYLESS-IGNITION-AUTO-PKE-PBS-COMBO-PG-1.htm

Slap on a $50 paintjob:

http://www.rickwrench.com/index79master.htm?http://www.rickwrench.com/50dollarpaint.html

Tons of restoration sites out there like this one:

http://www.buildingabeetle.com/

Very fun projects! My wife's first car was a '74 Super Beetle. It was great other than the fuel leak
 

T2urtle

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I kinda want a semi running one as well. Given I live in the midwest, rust is a huge problem plus we jack up prices on older cars.

I really want one to maybe summer daily drive. Guys on pawn stars fixed up mentioned 6-8k with that count custom guy. I figure thats my ceiling if they arent BS with price.
 

pauldun170

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The question isn't how good they are.
The question is how mechanically inclined you are and what your standards are for "Driving experience"
 

Zenmervolt

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Rust is your biggest problem. The cars were not galvanized IIRC and will be vastly more subject to rust than modern vehicles. In Chicago you definitely won't want to be driving the car in the winter on salter roads unless you're obsessive about washing it every day or two. Even then you're still going to start seeing rust in a couple years if you drive it in the salt.

Aside from that though, the cars are pretty damn simple. I'd avoid any model later than about 1974 though since emissions controls make things more complicated. The EFI Beetles (1975 and later in the US IIRC) will be more troublesome to diagnose than carbureted cars as well, if only because parts for the early L-Jet systems can be difficult to find.

ZV
 

Kaido

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I kinda want a semi running one as well. Given I live in the midwest, rust is a huge problem plus we jack up prices on older cars.

I really want one to maybe summer daily drive. Guys on pawn stars fixed up mentioned 6-8k with that count custom guy. I figure thats my ceiling if they arent BS with price.

With the amount of aftermarket parts available (both refurbished & new-design replacement parts), you could probably build one from scratch haha.

Kind of just depends on time, money, skills, tools, and space. If you have a place to work and are willing to get your hands dirty, go for it. I have a buddy rebuilding a vintage Chevelle in his garage and he's doing things to it I don't even think the original assemblers had to do lol.
 

nerp

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They're cheap, easy to fix, and you can basically build a brand new one from top to bottom out of a catalog. Any part you can just replace. You can remove the entire engine with a few bolts and your bare hands and work on it in your lap, practically.

The downside? They're slow, smell, deadly, noisy, your feet will turn to ice in the winter and you'll sweat your ass off in the summer and the modern day beetles have managed to make the old ones a whole lot less appealing to me for some reason.

But I'd do it.
 

santuitman

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Don't forget no AC and the heater boxes were problematic. They seem to run forever though if you keep up the maintenance. Only car I've ever seen with no oil filter, just a screen!
 

JCH13

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They're great to futz with and to learn how to work on cars because they're so simple. Support and parts availability is top-notch.

Knowing where the fuel tank is makes me never want to drive one regularly. Ever.

I owned a '72 super Beetle years ago.
 

T2urtle

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Gotta google what a super beetle vs normal ones are.

Maybe the drop top is a consideration.
 

Zenmervolt

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Gotta google what a super beetle vs normal ones are.

'71 and later only for the Super Beetle. Longer nose and a different front suspension (MacPherson Strut instead of the older torsion bar setup). Much more space in the front trunk. Easiest way to tell is whether the spare tire is nearly vertical ("regular" Beetles) or essentially horizontal (Super Beetle).

ZV
 

jagec

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They're surprisingly good on rough roads. No radiator for rocks to rip into, and the weight is over the drive tires.

They were still building them in Mexico until 2004 or so, with modern EFI engines and disc brakes and a number of other upgrades.
 

Meghan54

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'71 and later only for the Super Beetle. Longer nose and a different front suspension (MacPherson Strut instead of the older torsion bar setup). Much more space in the front trunk. Easiest way to tell is whether the spare tire is nearly vertical ("regular" Beetles) or essentially horizontal (Super Beetle).

ZV


I thought the easiest way was the regular Beetle had a flat windshield vs. a curved windshield on the Super Beetle, also the vents behind the rear windows on the Super Beetle the regular one didn't have....or did VW merge those items into the regular Beetle before its demise?
 

deadken

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As a guy who owns an old car or two, I'd suggest you join a VW forum if you are seriously considering buying one. I know that the VW Vortex is a great site for watercooled VW's and I know that they have an aircooled section. I've just never been in it.


If your purpose is truly 'just to drive around', it's very possible you'll really enjoy owning one. They are rather robust, pretty simple, and in-expensive. I don't know how the aircooled VW crowd is, but for most other cars they tend to fall into two camps: Purists and Non-Purist. Being a guy who used to work in a restoration shop, I really respect original and properly restored cars. Being one of the guys who did mechanical work in the shop I can also appreciate fixes, updates, and modifications that make the cars work / perform better than when they were new. Personally, I draw the line at 'easily reversible' for my classic car. For my mass produced economy car (but becoming rarer and rarer) MkII Jetta, I'm not as finicky. What I'm trying to get across is you need to decide where you stand before you start spending money on the car.

I seriously suggest you look into a 123Ignition distributor. Yes, there are tons of kits out there to eliminate the points. There are also a bunch of places that will rebuild the distributor. But, getting a brand new solid state distributor (which still uses a stock cap and rotor) for around $400 was a no-brainer for me (they might be even cheaper for VW's). A buddy of mine bought a Mallory distributor and didn't think to carry a spare cap and rotor in his car. Without getting into details, I'll say that he always carries a spare cap and rotor now. Here's a video of the 123Ignition on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1PFb46gKlc

I want to point out that it is almost always cheaper to buy a finished car rather than buying one and having all the work done yourself. Of course, there is some pleasure that I get from working on my old car that would be hard to equal. Of course, driving the car more and working on it less would be pretty damn sweet too. So, I'll suggest you consider buying a car that is done or close to it if you can afford to do so. Some people want to get into the car for $1,000 and then do the work themselves, but I don't typically suggest it.

If you join a owners group / website / forums, there are usually people that will help you out by checking out a car BEFORE you buy it. It isn't uncommon for someone to join our group just to ask if someone can check out a car they saw for sale that is halfway across the country. Some people want a preliminary check before they spend the money and time to see the car themselves and others want someone who owns the same car to look at it with them so that they can point out typical problem areas.

Please be sure to look into classic car insurance rates, historic registration / plates, and a place to keep it BEFORE you buy it. FWIW: Parking a car on grass / dirt is a BAD idea.

Good luck and please post back with pictures!

BTW: @ Kaido, I've read about that $50 paint job before. I'm not sure if you realize how much work it entails. Please realize that there is a LOT of sanding / wet sanding that needs to be done (IOW: It is VERY labor intensive). If you don't own a car with curves, you might not understand how much work could be necessary to get the results that he did. I don't dislike the concept, but, it just isn't feasible / practical for a lot of cars. Frankly, I don't see a huge savings compared to a DIY spray job if you already own a compressor.

Didn't the Super Beetles have a 'semi-auto'? IIRC, my buddies grandma had a Super Beetle and you pushed down on the stick to engage the clutch (there was no clutch pedal). IIRC, that car was a 1973, but that was a lot of years, memories, and brain cells ago.
 
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Zenmervolt

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I thought the easiest way was the regular Beetle had a flat windshield vs. a curved windshield on the Super Beetle, also the vents behind the rear windows on the Super Beetle the regular one didn't have....or did VW merge those items into the regular Beetle before its demise?

Those came on the '73 and up Super Beetles. The '71 and '72 Super Beetles still had the flat windshield and the old-style vents.

ZV
 

Meghan54

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Those came on the '73 and up Super Beetles. The '71 and '72 Super Beetles still had the flat windshield and the old-style vents.

ZV


Ahhh, I see. I'd pretty much quit paying attention to VW's back then, well, outside the Ghia. Euro. sports cars like MG, Triumph, Fiat, Alfa, Lotus, etc., and American muscle cars were my passion then back then. Did own a couple of mid-'60's Bugs, tho. Decent cars for what they were, but even in the '70's, they were still crude compared to contemporaries.
 

Kaido

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BTW: @ Kaido, I've read about that $50 paint job before. I'm not sure if you realize how much work it entails. Please realize that there is a LOT of sanding / wet sanding that needs to be done (IOW: It is VERY labor intensive). If you don't own a car with curves, you might not understand how much work could be necessary to get the results that he did. I don't dislike the concept, but, it just isn't feasible / practical for a lot of cars. Frankly, I don't see a huge savings compared to a DIY spray job if you already own a compressor.

Not only that, but it also requires special care: (must keep it polished & waxed)

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forum...paint-job-quot&p=488481&viewfull=1#post488481

Still, a nice option if the goal is "cheap" & you have a lot of time on your hands. But like you said, it is easier to spray, and you can always get a used compressor for a decent price off Craigslist or wherever. I miss having a garage to airbrush in
 

mmntech

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Parts are easy to find, even more so if you get a '70s model.

I would imagine part availability for later model Beetles would still be pretty good as well. Especially since every other car in Mexico is one.

Wouldn't mind one myself actually, as a summer garage queen anyway. That is if I was more mechanically inclined. My knowledge is limited to working on my 1/8th scale monster truck, which is considerably less complex.

My mom had one may years ago. There is truth to them going well on rough/snowy roads. Though the heaters suck on them big time.
 

DietDrThunder

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I bought this for $400. It was someone's project that never got finished.



Doing all the work myself except for the engine machine shop stuff, I finished with this (sorry for the low res photos):







Parts are cheap and machine shop work is reasonably priced. I've since sold it and moved on to another inexpensive rear-engine air-cooled vehicle. I drive this daily and I like it slightly more than the Beetle simply because I don't have any problems keeping up with the 75+ mph traffic on the freeways.





But if this body style doesn't appeal to you, here are a few others:







 

clok1966

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owned a 71 i bought used in 84, wont be popular but I HATED that car. I grew up with muscle cars, my very first car was 61 chevy I put a 69 400SB in (with the help of my gear head mechanic father).. so temper my feelings with that.. it felt like i could get out and walk faster then it. I know its an exaggeration, but they make a Prius seem like a hot rod. I know there are quite a few Hop up things for um, I never got that far so I cant say much about how far you can go with making them average in speed.

Upsides.. the lady I bought it from had it since new.. it had 42,000 when i got it.. and the OIL had never been changed (lady said, you didn't need water or oil as it was AIR COOLED!!!!).. I figured that was a deathnote for the car.. but it had proper compression on all cylinders and after an oil change didn't burn anymore then most cars in those years (meaning, i never put any in between oil changes at 2000 miles, but it did go down maybe 1/4 quart between oil changes). I drove it about 8 months as my only car and never had issue except lack of Umph.. I sold it to a freind who still has it today (and it still runs, but it hasn't been drove more then a few miles each summer since the early 90's.. it has 80,000 on it last i heard).

my thought, be aware of its power.. do you live where merging and high speed interstate is normal? its not that it wont do it.. its just that its .. not so easy to do. RUST, have sombody who knows look.. not many that are not rust buckets depending on where you live.

I still think its a neat looking little car and always thought a fwd GM SC3800 would be an interesting swap into one..
 

T2urtle

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I do live in the area where highway traffic is 80mph. Doubt ill take it om the highway. I found a couple on craiglist.

I can wrench, not weld tho. Im a little beyond average DIY but with the youtube help is insane on these.
 
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How they are is small, noisy, slow, unsafe, and impractical in climates that are particularly hot and/or cold. Despite all that, I do see the charm in them. I doubt I will ever drive one, though.
 

Kaido

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How they are is small, noisy, slow, unsafe, and impractical in climates that are particularly hot and/or cold. Despite all that, I do see the charm in them. I doubt I will ever drive one, though.

Yeah, the only thing holding me back from one is the safety issues. They lack modern crumple zones & airbags, which kind of put them at a disadvantage against modern (and larger) vehicles:

http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2012/12/31/10/35/pic-688334271613857278.jpeg

 
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