How bad the NYT is getting

MrSquished

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Even Dean Phillips is calling bullshit on the NYT for their polling and totally biased coverage against Biden. I'm done with the NYT. Even at the $4 a month retention rate for All Access, fuck them. I'll download all my recipes from the NYT Cooking app and really, what I'll miss the most is the Athletic. I found their sports coverage to be better than most. I mean ESPN is a shit show.


"Two things — check that, three things — appear to have gone off the rails at the paper we used to call the Gray Lady. First, whoever is in charge of the paper’s polls is not doing their job. Second, whoever is choosing what to emphasize in Times coverage of the campaign for the presidency is showing bias. Third, the Times is obsessed with Joe Biden’s age at the same time they’re leaving evidence of Donald Trump’s mental and verbal stumbles completely out of the news.

Let’s start right there. At a rally on Saturday night in Virginia, Trump confused Barack Obama, who left office seven years ago, with President Biden for the third time over the last six months. “Putin has so little respect for Obama that he’s starting to throw around the nuclear word,” Trump said, as his crowd of rabid supporters suddenly fell silent. “You heard that. Nuclear. He’s starting to talk nuclear weapons today.” You won’t find that verbal stumble and the crowd’s stunned reaction in the Times coverage of the campaign over the weekend. You’ll have to read other publications — for example, Salon or maybe the Guardian — if you want to learn how often Trump is losing his way mid-sentence at rallies and just mumbling incoherently.

The Times on Sunday, however, had this headline ready for your morning coffee: “Majority of Biden’s 2020 Voters Now Say He’s Too Old to be Effective.” It’s another grab from the New York Times/Siena College poll they published on Saturday that is so outrageously flawed, a cottage industry has sprung up to pick apart its methodology and point out its glaring contradictions and straight-up bias.

A favorite of poll skeptics is its sampling bias. How did the New York Times come up with a polling sample that included 36 percent rural voters when the 2020 proportion of rural voters was 19 percent? Somehow, the poll’s sample of female voters was equally skewed. The poll found Trump winning the female vote by one percent, when Biden carried women in 2020 by 11 points. The Times wants you to ignore that in between, all three of Trump’s Supreme Court justices quarterbacked the Dobbs decision overturning women’s constitutional right to abortion, followed almost immediately by states banning abortion all over the country, many with no exceptions for rape or incest. The Times doesn’t say how it squares its poll numbers with the fact that women turned out in huge numbers to help win referendums confirming a right to abortion, including in such Republican strongholds as Kansas and Kentucky, and handed every special election to Democratic candidates in the bargain. They just want you to believe there’s been a 12-point swing toward Trump among women, with no evidence except, poof! It happened!

The truly incredible thing is that the New York Times provides the evidence that would cause any other reasonable journalistic enterprise to question the accuracy of its own poll. The poll shows that Trump still has the support of nearly every Republican who voted for him in 2020 — this in the face of the fact that between 30 and 40 percent of primary voters have chosen another candidate than Trump. Those people are not poll respondents. They’re voters. The Times/Siena poll also somehow comes up with 12 percent support among Democrats for Rep. Dean Phillips, who has yet to get more than two percent of the vote in a primary. Even Phillips himself posted a tweet that said “When the NYT/Siena poll shows me at 12%, you better believe it’s flawed. Only 5% even know who I am.” The poll also shows that among respondents who described themselves as unhappy with both candidates, they favor Biden over Trump by 12 points. So Biden has the utterly disaffected vote and carries independents by four points, and he’s losing to Trump by four points?

Why is the New York Times missing the red flags in its own polls? More important, why has the paper decided to give its own deeply biased poll results such heavy play? I don’t want to bring up but her emails, but for crying out loud, why is the New York Times so clearly making the same mistakes of bias and emphasis they made in 2016 covering Hillary Clinton all over again? The Times was down on Clinton for months because of her so-called email scandal that wasn’t a scandal at all, and when Russian intelligence leaked Democratic Party emails through WikiLeaks in the fall of 2016, reading the Times you would think that each and every DNC email that nobody bothered reading was a smoking gun. None of the daily drumbeat of manufactured “news” added up to even a pinprick of a scandal, but as the Times did with Whitewater and the rest of the made-up Clinton scandals, the paper simply couldn’t resist filling its front page with negative stories about the Democratic candidate for president.

There are no scandals with the name Biden attached to them, unless you consider the lies Russian spies supplied the so-called impeachment committee with. So The New York Times has apparently devoted half a floor in its Eighth Avenue headquarters to a search for bad news about Biden, and then they reserve a space nearly every day above the fold on the front page for whatever grain of grim shit the Biden hunters have managed to come up with. They’re probably working on a story on how Biden is losing the pro-choice vote as we speak, while pointing out the wild success of Trump’s “move to the middle” on abortion with “centrist” voters.

If you’re getting off the subway anywhere near Eighth Avenue and 42nd Street, hold your nose. There’s something fishy at the New York Times."
 

GettyRoad

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The media likes Trump's entertainment.

Biden needs to be entertaining again as he was in 2008 and 2012.

He should dump Harris and look for a Black woman with swagger.
 

Zorba

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I've been noticing a lot of that too. I don't want to leave a media source because they aren't being a homer for my team. But this is getting really ridiculous to just straight bias against Biden.
 

nakedfrog

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The media likes Trump's entertainment.

Biden needs to be entertaining again as he was in 2008 and 2012.

He should dump Harris and look for a Black woman with swagger.
Can you provide examples of him being entertaining in 2008 and 2012?
 

Zorba

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Also why are all of their articles like this?


Why don't reporters actually report on the crimes and trials as opposed to just posting polling results about what people think. How did we get non-stop coverage of Dean's yell or the Republican that called someone mucula, but almost no coverage of the former president stealing boxes of highly classified material.
 

cytg111

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I would have to guess Kompromat. Someone has video of the CEO bumfucking an underage boy or something like that. And by someone I mean Putin.
 
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MrSquished

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Cancelled the NYT today and they offered me $4 a month from the $5 I was paying, which was already a retention rate.I really like the Cooking app and the Athletic and other sections, especially of our local area and the arts. But I couldn't give them any money after seeing how super fucked up their political coverage is. I just can't have a penny going to them. Fuck their editor in chief.
 
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pete6032

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Cancelled the NYT today and they offered me $4 a month from the $5 I was paying, which was already a retention rate.I really like the Cooking app and the Athletic and other sections, especially of our local area and the arts. But I couldn't give them any money after seeing how super fucked up their political coverage is. I just can't have a penny going to them. Fuck their editor in chief.
Did you give them that feedback or did you just cancel?
 

MrSquished

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Did you give them that feedback or did you just cancel?
I wrote it as the reason - their lack of journalistic integrity on big topics like politics is just too much to overlook these days. As much as I love many other sections and features of the Times, including the Athletic and the Cooking app, I just can't give my dollars to an organization with such shameful coverage of the major issues today politically.
 
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MrSquished

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Since the last post I have been to the NYT website maybe 2-3 times only clicking on linked articles, though I avoid most of those too. Not having the app installed at all and the NYT bookmark out of chrome has made it very easy. Then I see this image posted on Threads - so no click through to their website, just saving a jpeg - this is a NYT headline - that place is a fucking terrible one -

 
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VashHT

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Also why are all of their articles like this?


Why don't reporters actually report on the crimes and trials as opposed to just posting polling results about what people think. How did we get non-stop coverage of Dean's yell or the Republican that called someone mucula, but almost no coverage of the former president stealing boxes of highly classified material.
Reminds me of this:
 
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Haven't right wingers, masquerading as financial sector people been taking over most of the media? They basically killed Vice, ESPN, and I forget what others (Buzzfeed, whatever conglomerate bought the Gawker remains from the previous one, I think?). That's why even the NYT is being like this. I think it probably started as a misguided attempt at duping right wingers into reading it hoping they'd then read other stuff to break them out of their bubbles, but then once the media destruction by the finance people happened they basically just leaned into that hard. And now they're just seeking the clickbait because social media companies fucked up the internet and turned everything into garbage ass SEO clickthrough shit to make money.

No one believes you, you might as well stop saying it.

Well it doesn't matter what you think. But now, Roberto Montelban, that's someone who's opinion we need to know!
 
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hal2kilo

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Haven't right wingers, masquerading as financial sector people been taking over most of the media? They basically killed Vice, ESPN, and I forget what others (Buzzfeed, whatever conglomerate bought the Gawker remains from the previous one, I think?). That's why even the NYT is being like this. I think it probably started as a misguided attempt at duping right wingers into reading it hoping they'd then read other stuff to break them out of their bubbles, but then once the media destruction by the finance people happened they basically just leaned into that hard. And now they're just seeking the clickbait because social media companies fucked up the internet and turned everything into garbage ass SEO clickthrough shit to make money.



Well it doesn't matter what you think. But now, Roberto Montelban, that's someone who's opinion we need to know!
Just about bought up all of the local Seattle stations now. Seems crime is just getting completely out of control now. Hmm.
 
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hal2kilo

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This is how bad.


Here are a few examples of the troubling coverage — or lack thereof:

  • When Trump seized up at a rally this week and bizarrely swayed to music for 39 excruciating minutes, the Times called it an “improvisational departure.”
  • Trump’s racist threats to deport millions of undocumented people are actually just full of “hyperbolic rhetoric” and “fury.”
  • When it was reported that Trump’s top general, Mark Milley, called him “fascist to the core” the Times buried what should have been front-page news deep in an article about something else entirely.
  • Times journalists refuse to call Trump’s “false claims” what they are: malicious lies.
  • Hurling racist invective at a vulnerable community to fire up a hateful and bigoted base is just “rabble rousing” to the Times. It’s “combative conservatism.”
  • And even in an otherwise admirable article on Trump’s cognitive decline, the Times couldn’t bring itself to use the term “cognitive decline.”
Meanwhile, the day-to-day coverage treats Trump like a normal candidate, rather than as the wildly dangerous and unhinged felon that he is. Day in and day out, the Times “sanewashes” his dark and unintelligible ramblings. Day in and day out, it treats the divisions about basic facts and democratic rule as just so much partisan squabbling.
 
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