How can anyone feel sorry for a poor person?

[BarneyFife]

Not really. I worked in a factory once during college and most of the people there smoked/drank/did drugs/ate unhealthy food/been in and out of prison.... Sorry. I can't feel sorry for these kinds of people.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: Amplifier

Originally posted by: catnap1972

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
The OP sounds like one of the little high school bishes that would try to run down the poorer kids because they couldn't afford all the nicest clothes or drive the nicest cars.

I wonder if he unzips his pants at one of his local "minimum wage" business (McD, Wally World, etc.) and takes a leak on the employees while proclaiming "HA HA HA--I'm better than you sorry ass loser bitchis"

Funny, I'm giving them a way out of poverty and you're calling me the bad guy. I say people who let poor people hide behind their cheap excuses are the bad guys.

It's funny Amp how I posted all the problems facing and causes of homeless and impoverished and you didnt even respond, the homeless are not the bad guys, people like you who would spit on the ground they walk on are the bad guys, I would love for you to come to my job on my unit for just a couple days and then tell me the poor and underemployed are lazy most are definitely NOT. Go back to your rich uncompassionate life and let the rest of us give the homeless a leg up, and show them the compassion that so many of need and deserve.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: Amplifier
In America there is no excuse for being poor. A person has to TRY to not be successful.

Amp's Seven Steps to Not Being a Poor Loser.

Step 1) Get a GED
One of a hundred places to get a GED.

Step 2) Get financial aid to attend college.
College Funding for Poor People

Step 3) Find a local community college.
Community Colleges

Step 4) Transfer to a four year university.
Four Year Colleges

Step 5) Find a job.
Jobs for people with degrees.

Step 6) Don't buy fancy rims/electronics/cars.
Don't buy me!

Step 7) Send Amp a thank you card.
Card for Amp

Is it that hard? Let's cut out all housing programs, all federal aid, and send them links to this post instead.

Nah I say we just come round and rob you!

 

[stratman]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Not really. I worked in a factory once during college and most of the people there smoked/drank/did drugs/ate unhealthy food/been in and out of prison.... Sorry. I can't feel sorry for these kinds of people.

My sarcasm meter's broken after the OP's comments. Are you serious?

 

[EyeMNathan]

I completed Step 1 and 2, between 3 and 4 now. Go me.

Oh and you forgot 8 and 9:

8)...
9) Profit!

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Amplifier
Hell no, I grew up in a 4500sqft house in the best part of town. My family was in the top 2% of the income bracket. On top of that I was able to sleepwalk to good grades. You're mistaking my post for compassion.

I'm not trying to help poor people out. I'm putting a solution down on paper so we can all feel good when we vote to cut funding to the so called underpriviledged.

Er, I'm not mistaking your post for compassion, I'm just point out your solution is dumb. Undoubtedly because you, as you say, are from a rich family and don't know jack about poor people.

 

[Moonbeam]

There are many kinds of poverty and you are profoundly emotionally poor. You have almost no sense at all of what it means to be a human being.

But all you have to do is learn to feel so I have no pity for you. Learning to feel's a piece of cake, no?

 

[Tab]

Sorry, not everyone can do that. There are plently of poor people who situation isn't entirely their own.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: stratman

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Not really. I worked in a factory once during college and most of the people there smoked/drank/did drugs/ate unhealthy food/been in and out of prison.... Sorry. I can't feel sorry for these kinds of people.

My sarcasm meter's broken after the OP's comments. Are you serious?

Just relaying a real life experience. I guess we have to classify poor people. Their are the ones that work hard and try to get ahead and their are the ones that don't give a crap.

 

[Bitek]

So.. if everybody suddenly got BS/PhD's/etc, who would be left to stock Walmart, fry burgers and clean $hit up?

 

[Isla]

How repulsive.

As a teacher, I am very aware of the fact that not everyone has the same potential. Some people, like it or not, are destined to flip burgers or work at other low paying jobs. And chances are good, they will end up marrying and reproducing with people who are of similar capabilities. That doesn't make them bad people or any less deserving of love and respect.

If you can't have compassion for others, don't be suprised when you need compassion and it isn't forthcoming. You certainly won't deserve it.

 

[stratman]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: stratman

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Not really. I worked in a factory once during college and most of the people there smoked/drank/did drugs/ate unhealthy food/been in and out of prison.... Sorry. I can't feel sorry for these kinds of people.

My sarcasm meter's broken after the OP's comments. Are you serious?

Just relaying a real life experience. I guess we have to classify poor people. Their are the ones that work hard and try to get ahead and their are the ones that don't give a crap.

Ok

I dunno. I kind of understand where you're coming from, but I think people can try hard to get ahead and still drink and smoke eat unhealthy food. A lot of rich people do, and a lot of college students do. We can't say that the poor are poor and blame them for it because they do wrong things. If everyone that did wrong was poor, every single person on this earth would be poor.

I've drank, smoked, eaten unhealthy food, and smoked weed before, and yet I am studying engineering at a good university, and if things continue the way they are, I will graduate with no debt, good grades, and even some savings.

 

[db]

OP, your topic is little more than the equivalent of kicking sick dogs and beating your own chest in an attempt to show you're better then other people. WHY are you so insecure that you feel the need to do this?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: Amplifier
...snip...

Thats funny Amp, i have a PhD and im having difficulty finding a job. Gotta have one to pay off those loans. Care to explain that you ass?

Gotta love the Republican Compassionate Conservative's America eh homercles???

 

[db]

LOL, "Compassionate Conservative"! The very fact that they felt the need to publicise that phrase attests to their lack of compassion for anyone other than themselves.

 

[Speedy3D!]

Originally posted by: Amplifier
In America there is no excuse for being poor. A person has to TRY to not be successful.

Amp's Seven Steps to Not Being a Poor Loser.

Step 1) Get a GED
One of a hundred places to get a GED.

Step 2) Get financial aid to attend college.
College Funding for Poor People

Step 3) Find a local community college.
Community Colleges

Step 4) Transfer to a four year university.
Four Year Colleges

Step 5) Find a job.
Jobs for people with degrees.

Step 6) Don't buy fancy rims/electronics/cars.
Don't buy me!

Step 7) Send Amp a thank you card.
Card for Amp

Is it that hard? Let's cut out all housing programs, all federal aid, and send them links to this post instead.

Are you serious? Sorry, my sarcasm meter may be broken.

 

[HombrePequeno]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
EDIT: Not to mention that minimum wage is 5.15 an hour and anyone who makes less than about 12 an hour could not possibly adequately support a family not even thinking about getting a GED or a college degree, heck even a family of four with 2 parents making 12 an hour thats still not much it's only 49,920 gross income cant afford much with that! The problem is more complex than your compassionless mind can comprehend

That's not necessarily true. It really depends on where you live. My sister and her husband make less than that, raising two children and they aren't too bad off.

To be honest, this country provides enough help for people to get themselves out of poverty. My mom got a GED and made her way through community college while raising five children, mostly by herself. If you want to make a better life for yourself, all you have to do is try.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: stratman

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: stratman

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Not really. I worked in a factory once during college and most of the people there smoked/drank/did drugs/ate unhealthy food/been in and out of prison.... Sorry. I can't feel sorry for these kinds of people.

My sarcasm meter's broken after the OP's comments. Are you serious?

Just relaying a real life experience. I guess we have to classify poor people. Their are the ones that work hard and try to get ahead and their are the ones that don't give a crap.

Ok

I dunno. I kind of understand where you're coming from, but I think people can try hard to get ahead and still drink and smoke eat unhealthy food. A lot of rich people do, and a lot of college students do. We can't say that the poor are poor and blame them for it because they do wrong things. If everyone that did wrong was poor, every single person on this earth would be poor.

I've drank, smoked, eaten unhealthy food, and smoked weed before, and yet I am studying engineering at a good university, and if things continue the way they are, I will graduate with no debt, good grades, and even some savings.

I'm not saying that you can't drink or smoke but when you are making $9 hour and you're smoking 2 packs a day, and drinking alcohol everyday, and blowing your money on tattoos and weed, how can I feel sorry for you? lets just say that these people are lucky the factory is still open or they wouldn't find a job anywhere. Chances are that their parents were like this and their kids will be like this too. Its an endless cycle.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
There are many kinds of poverty and you are profoundly emotionally poor. You have almost no sense at all of what it means to be a human being.

But all you have to do is learn to feel so I have no pity for you. Learning to feel's a piece of cake, no?

There are those who are poor in material wealth, and those poor in spirit. Of the two I pity the latter far more.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: db
LOL, "Compassionate Conservative"! The very fact that they felt the need to publicise that phrase attests to their lack of compassion for anyone other than themselves.

Yeah, it's pretty dumb. Pretty soon the Left will call themselves "Intelligent Liberals."

As someone who grew up lower income in a crappier area, I have to say it often takes people of strong discipline, responsibility, and motivation to pull themselves out of the poor man's cycle. Some luck always helps too.

It is possible. Not everyone can, but a great many more should. It's about making the right choices and decisions... I believe the opportunity is there for 99% of the population.

 

[bobracecarbob]

Originally posted by: Amplifier
In America there is no excuse for being poor. A person has to TRY to not be successful.

Amp's Seven Steps to Not Being a Poor Loser.

Step 1) Get a GED
One of a hundred places to get a GED.

me: hs diploma, 1st in family
mom: waitress, but did this
dad: disabled

Step 2) Get financial aid to attend college.
College Funding for Poor People

Step 3) Find a local community college.
Community Colleges

Step 4) Transfer to a four year university.
Four Year Colleges

mom: need to feed family precludes her from working and going to school, what's your solution?

me: I?m $965 shy of paying for fall semester, could you lend me the money? I?ll be happy to pay you back when I?ve got the money in a few months, I?m 1 year from graduation, without that money it'll take at least 2 years.
otherwise: what's your solution?

My idea:
i get a job and help my mom get a diploma then we'll be good, but as it is we?re between rent/electricity and school so we can pay for those finer things.

Step 5) Find a job.
Jobs for people with degrees.

Step 6) Don't buy fancy rims/electronics/cars.
Don't buy me!

Step 7) Send Amp a thank you card.
Card for Amp

Is it that hard? Let's cut out all housing programs, all federal aid, and send them links to this post instead.

isn't funding for school part of federal aid?

honestly, i'm conservative and believe in a hand up not a hand out, in fact I?m following just this plan to help my family raze themselves out of poverty, but there are some hitches, what's the solution here?


While working on these things, is it still the poor's fault for being poor?

 

[Amplifier]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Amplifier
Hell no, I grew up in a 4500sqft house in the best part of town. My family was in the top 2% of the income bracket. On top of that I was able to sleepwalk to good grades. You're mistaking my post for compassion.

I'm not trying to help poor people out. I'm putting a solution down on paper so we can all feel good when we vote to cut funding to the so called underpriviledged.

Er, I'm not mistaking your post for compassion, I'm just point out your solution is dumb. Undoubtedly because you, as you say, are from a rich family and don't know jack about poor people.

Guys listen, I'm not going to get into a back and forth about how to help or "save" poor people. Why? I don't care about them . I'm surprised you guys took this topic so seriously (I feel sorry for the PhD who will be earning less than a plumber though rofl)

I do like an argument. So let me take a stab at what you guys are saying.

1) Education isn't going to help them, besides who will work at Walmart (thanks Hafen ).

I agree .

2) I don't understand poor people, therefore I'm in no position to make a suggestion to them. -Rainsford

So whose helping them now. Other poor people? The social service program? They have done a great job so far... no wait, they haven't done anything with my money.

3) Amp your solution wasn't thought out well, it won't work. -state "I will have a lucrative law practice" beasley

Yeah, they are probably not smart enough to get through the classes. Or they have a couple kids they can't afford. Stereotypes 'R Us. Not hating on whoever said that, but that's what was implied.

4) As a teacher blah blah blah -Isla

Oh I'm going to get you good Isla. Actually I like you so I'll be nice (any other teacher I'd me mean to). These kids from poor families, like you said, come from an environment of poverty. You imply that they aren't stupid and can be taught.

They can't learn about financial responsibility from their parents, so that's where the education system should come in. Does it? That one's wide open to you.

5) You still didn't answer my question about homelessness and the causes -DeathBUA

Because the topic was poverty and not homelessness.

6) Stupid dumb post, go back to ATOT with your trash about helping the poor get educations -umbrella39

Don't worry, I care as little about poor people as you do.

7) Amp dude, you're all about kicking the homeless to feel good about yourself. -db and others

In my OP I didn't make any insults towards poor people. I just layed down an accepted plan for getting out of poverty. Don't believe me, ask one of our Ambassadors.. But why am I the bad guy? Because I implied that poor people should like, go to school. Uncle Same even gave the fvckers free money to do it.

If I want to feel better about myself, I check out my 9.1 on hotornot.com. Or I kick out the cane from an old lady. Whichever.

 

[TraumaRN]

:roll:Hey moron not to attack you personally but poverty and homelessness tend to go hand in hand, and if you actually read my post it's more than just about homelessness, it's about poverty, you cant be that indescriminate about your topic. I'm amazed at your ignorance. You have stereotyped worse than any other person in this topic, personally if you ever happen to step foot in my hospital, I'd make it a point to make sure you dont get a drop of pain medication you heartless ba$tard.

I'm sorry we dont all live in a huge house and were born with a silver spoon in our mouths, often times people who are impoverished and homeless tend to be some of the most hard working folks but in america it's hard to make anything of yourself when you work 3 jobs and still only pull in 500 dollars a week after taxes. If you dont want to care about impoverished people in this country thats fine but unless you are suddenly going to change all the laws just STFU and go back to your posh lifestyle, while I help impoverished people and feel like I made a difference in my life instead of complaining about where my next 4500 sq ft house is coming from

 

[Amplifier]

Death I'll go down your list for arguments sake. Ok here we go.

Gentrification or elimination of low-income housing *off topic/homeless only*
Unemployment or underemployment *Addressed by education*
Substance abuse *their fault*
Mental illness *sorry to hear that, I'll support aid for them*
Decreased gov?t assistance *They can go to college on government grants more now than ever*
Changes in labor market *Yes, they need more education to adapt*
Deinstitutionalization of mentally ill *sorry to hear that, I'll support aid for them*
Lack of social support (family, friends) *Government is here to offer aid to get educated*

Decreased earnings *Need a skill to be paid, ask Mr PhD about that*
Increased unemployment *Unemployment is extremely low, but yes no job = no money*
Changes in labor force & market *Again, education*
Female-headed households *again, government aid exists for them*
Inadequate education or job skills *EDUCATION*

You're saying I'm heartless because I implied the poor should be educated and if they don't get educated it's their fault. Then list a lack of education as a reason for poverty! That's the only reason I'm keeping this thread alive, arguments like that one!

And then you say you won't give me pain medication if I come into your hospital. Good one Mr. Compassionate .

-Amp (I ain't mad at ya) lifier

 

[bobracecarbob]

how could a widow with 3 kids to support get an education?