How can cops do this?

[lowfatbaconboy]

Something somewhat similar happened in my hall this year....
A guy across the hall took from sod(grass) from another part of campus and put it out infront of someone's door as a joke...and then planned to get lawn chairs and a cooler and put it out there....

but he got caught by the RA and they charged him with theft and a couple other things

honestly is it theft it is moved from one part of campus to another?
its like if i walk into my friend's house pick up his TV and walk to another part of the house set it down and walk out....is that considered theft? i think not......

also at CU dorm rooms are treated no differently than if the person had an appartment in relation to the police and what they can do with searching and what not.....

 

[Gyrene]

Originally posted by: lowfatbaconboy
Something somewhat similar happened in my hall this year....
A guy across the hall took from sod(grass) from another part of campus and put it out infront of someone's door as a joke...and then planned to get lawn chairs and a cooler and put it out there....

but he got caught by the RA and they charged him with theft and a couple other things

honestly is it theft it is moved from one part of campus to another?
its like if i walk into my friend's house pick up his TV and walk to another part of the house set it down and walk out....is that considered theft? i think not......

also at CU dorm rooms are treated no differently than if the person had an appartment in relation to the police and what they can do with searching and what not.....

Was the sod theirs? No. Did they move it from its original location? Yes. Does that fit the definition of stealing? Yes. I'm not saying I've never done anything resembling that, I'm saying, don't do it unless you are willing to face the pending consequences.

 

[JetBlack69]

Originally posted by: lowfatbaconboy

honestly is it theft it is moved from one part of campus to another?
its like if i walk into my friend's house pick up his TV and walk to another part of the house set it down and walk out....is that considered theft? i think not......

I would think so. Comparing a house to a campus is not accurate.

Considering Jeff took a tree that is not his and put it in a room that is not his in a building that he doesn't own, I see a lot of problems.

Who owns the tree? According to Webster theft: "the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it"

Jeff is guilty of theft, however the cop (campus police?) didn't write him up for it, only about the drinks in his dorm room.

GoBadgrs, what do you mean by arrested? Hancuffed and taken to jail?

 

[GoingUp]

Originally posted by: JetBlack69

Originally posted by: lowfatbaconboy

honestly is it theft it is moved from one part of campus to another?
its like if i walk into my friend's house pick up his TV and walk to another part of the house set it down and walk out....is that considered theft? i think not......

I would think so. Comparing a house to a campus is not accurate.

Considering Jeff took a tree that is not his and put it in a room that is not his in a building that he doesn't own, I see a lot of problems.

Who owns the tree? According to Webster theft: "the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it"

Jeff is guilty of theft, however the cop (campus police?) didn't write him up for it, only about the drinks in his dorm room.

GoBadgrs, what do you mean by arrested? Hancuffed and taken to jail?

He's down in lakeshore. They put him in handcuffs and had him sit in the hall while they searched his room. Then he was written and underage possession ticket and allowed to go back in his room.

And Luvly, we hear so much about your threats to ignore us, when will you ever follow through on them? Maybe the reason that I'm so blatantly rude to you is that I no longer want your opinion and I'm hoping you'll just shut the hell up and ignore me.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs

Originally posted by: JetBlack69

Originally posted by: lowfatbaconboy

honestly is it theft it is moved from one part of campus to another?
its like if i walk into my friend's house pick up his TV and walk to another part of the house set it down and walk out....is that considered theft? i think not......

I would think so. Comparing a house to a campus is not accurate.

Considering Jeff took a tree that is not his and put it in a room that is not his in a building that he doesn't own, I see a lot of problems.

Who owns the tree? According to Webster theft: "the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it"

Jeff is guilty of theft, however the cop (campus police?) didn't write him up for it, only about the drinks in his dorm room.

GoBadgrs, what do you mean by arrested? Hancuffed and taken to jail?

He's down in lakeshore. They put him in handcuffs and had him sit in the hall while they searched his room. Then he was written and underage possession ticket and allowed to go back in his room.

And Luvly, we hear so much about your threats to ignore us, when will you ever follow through on them? Maybe the reason that I'm so blatantly rude to you is that I no longer want your opinion and I'm hoping you'll just shut the hell up and ignore me.

I wonder if that counts as arrest or just having the cops put a person in hand-cuffs to protect them selves.

 

[Ness]

a) Wuffsunie is entirely right... except one thing... the fact that the cops don't need probable cause... or any GOOD reason to search a dorm room. A friend of mine went to U of Cincy for a year... in their freshmen dorms they would have fire drills about once or twice a month. On a number of accounts, he could tell that someone had searched his room... and there was really no reason to believe he was singled out (mostly because other people said the same thing).

b) If there was a need for probable cause, when dealing with college students, a police officer has probable cause when someone tells them "no." Perhaps 'Jeff's' mistake was not letting them search, because it's likely that if he had agreed to it, they would have walked in, opened the obvious drawers and done a half-assed search. At the bear minimum, he could have asked to see the agreement or copy of the rules that state he is subject to the search, which, if the police aren't bored, might make them say "Damn liberal arts students" and walk off.

c) Luvly needs to step off her self-made throne and shut the hell up. God forbid someone around here try to say something other than what her moral standards state or they will be talked down to like a mother to her 4 year old ADHD kid. I'd rather listen to ValsalvaYourHeartOut ramble about atheism for a YEAR STRAIGHT than read through an entire topic of her posts.

 

[Siddhartha]

"Jeff" should talk to a lawyer about this. You, oops I mean "Jeff" might get kicked out of the dorms or even school over this incident.

Pulling a prank is stupid and immature.

 

[Ness]

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth

Pulling a prank is stupid and immature.

So you never had the fun of living in dorms, or you never come out of your dorm room because you thought your computer was better, or perhaps you were the butt of all the pranks?

 

"Assuming that you are, in fact,the intellectual you make yourself out to be, wouldn't you be knowledgable enough to know that even if someone insults you, the right thing to do is ignore the insult and address the issue? I concur that insults are needless, and most often lead the discussion on a tangent, but then wouldn't your retaliation further the progression down that tangent?
'The Water Dragon resides in the Pool of the Subconscious mind.'"

90% of the time, I ignore people that resort to ad hominem attacks, since I figure it's normally a reflection of weak, no arguments at all or an attempt to distract people from the real discussion. Other times, I respond to the particular portion of the post that is void of personal attacks or contains a legitimate rebuttal. However, in circumstances such as a thread on a personal subject or of a casual tone, I'll give it back to the person. The other circumstance where I may go one-on-one with the person is if I have noted that the person continuously behaves in that manner (i.e., atacks me without provocation), in spite of shunning him or giving a warning.

It would be sending the wrong message to reward that kind of behaviour by responding to it, especially positively. It doesn't help that it's especially prevalent amongst AT members, which makes it difficult to say this person may just have been upset; he's not always like that. My rule isn't complicated: Think whatever you want to of me, disagree with me, think my argument is unfounded, but don't resort to attacking me if I haven't initiated any personal attacks. You can think I'm ridiculous as a person or whatever, but it's irrelevant to the discussion. If the thread is solely about our individual personalities (relative to the forum), I don't mind if you criticise me and say I'm egotiscal, arrogant, a female dog or whatever . . . but make sure it is relevant in that thread and to the discussion (e.g., maybe a humourous thread).

I hope that answers your question.

 

[Gyrene]

Originally posted by: ness1469

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth

Pulling a prank is stupid and immature.

So you never had the fun of living in dorms, or you never come out of your dorm room because you thought your computer was better, or perhaps you were the butt of all the pranks?

Or, he had friends who weren't amused by immature acts of malice towards others.

 

[GoingUp]

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
"Jeff" should talk to a lawyer about this. You, oops I mean "Jeff" might get kicked out of the dorms or even school over this incident.

Pulling a prank is stupid and immature.

Its not me. I'm 23 and I dont live in a dorm.

www.chadwickcmeyer.com/room/room.html You can see my room. Doesnt look much like a dorm room

And luvly, dont you see the irony in talking about keeping a post consistent with the topic of the thread when your the biggest thread usurper on the boards?

 

[JetBlack69]

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
"Jeff" should talk to a lawyer about this. You, oops I mean "Jeff" might get kicked out of the dorms or even school over this incident.

Pulling a prank is stupid and immature.

GoBadgrs doesn't live in a dorm.

 

[CrazyDe1]

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
We have a family friend up here at the University that I know. Well call him "Jeff" Jeff is in a student dorm. In the den of that dorm, they had a Christmas tree, so as a joke, Jeff and his friends put the tree in one of the girls rooms, so when she opened her door, there was a lighted Christmas tree. The Resident Assistant then procedes to call police for the "theft" of the tree.

The cops come to Jeffs room and ask if he knows about the tree. He says that he moved the tree as a joke. They then ask him if they can search his room, to which he replies No. The cops then arrest him for theft and proceed to search his room. There they find alcohol and write him a ticket for underage possession. The dont write him any tickets or charge him with theft though.

How can the cops even do this? They went through everything of his, they even poured out his vitamins and stuff to look for drugs. Isnt that a violation of his civil rights?


edited for a typo

No normally they can't do this. There was a huge supreme court case where the cops had a warrant to search some guy's house and found something else other than what they were looking for. With a warrant they can only get you on what the warrant was issued for.

Now the difference here is it was in the dorms. In a dorm setting you're subject to university rules and whatever they impose. Thus, if the university says so, he can get in trouble for it.

 

[CrazyDe1]

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
We have a family friend up here at the University that I know. Well call him "Jeff" Jeff is in a student dorm. In the den of that dorm, they had a Christmas tree, so as a joke, Jeff and his friends put the tree in one of the girls rooms, so when she opened her door, there was a lighted Christmas tree. The Resident Assistant then procedes to call police for the "theft" of the tree.

The cops come to Jeffs room and ask if he knows about the tree. He says that he moved the tree as a joke. They then ask him if they can search his room, to which he replies No. The cops then arrest him for theft and proceed to search his room. There they find alcohol and write him a ticket for underage possession. The dont write him any tickets or charge him with theft though.

How can the cops even do this? They went through everything of his, they even poured out his vitamins and stuff to look for drugs. Isnt that a violation of his civil rights?


edited for a typo

No normally they can't do this. There was a huge supreme court case where the cops had a warrant to search some guy's house and found something else other than what they were looking for. With a warrant they can only get you on what the warrant was issued for.

Now the difference here is it was in the dorms. In a dorm setting you're subject to university rules and whatever they impose. Thus, if the university says so, he can get in trouble for it.

 

[Ness]

Originally posted by: luvly
blah blah blahb bhahblabh
whatever you want to of me, disagree with me, think my argument is unfounded, but don't resort to attacking me if I haven't initiated any personal attacks.
blahblah blahb lahbhb
personalities (relative to the forum), I don't mind if you criticise me and say I'm egotiscal, arrogant, a female dog or whatever . . . but make sure it is relevant in that thread and to the discussion (e.g., maybe a humourous thread).

I hope that answers your question.

I don't mean to be the bearer of bad news, but have you noticed the trend of "everytime you post people tell you that you are annoying and that your opinion is ridiculous."

Well, you should. Because it's really starting to ruin a lot of people's posts... you know.. when you go on some tirade with your holier-than-jesus-himself attitude. You can deny that and retort it all you want, but I bet many many many people here will agree.

 

[alexjohnson16]

Originally posted by: dtyn

Originally posted by: lowfatbaconboy
Something somewhat similar happened in my hall this year....
A guy across the hall took from sod(grass) from another part of campus and put it out infront of someone's door as a joke...and then planned to get lawn chairs and a cooler and put it out there....

but he got caught by the RA and they charged him with theft and a couple other things

honestly is it theft it is moved from one part of campus to another?
its like if i walk into my friend's house pick up his TV and walk to another part of the house set it down and walk out....is that considered theft? i think not......

also at CU dorm rooms are treated no differently than if the person had an appartment in relation to the police and what they can do with searching and what not.....

Was the sod theirs? No. Did they move it from its original location? Yes. Does that fit the definition of stealing? Yes. I'm not saying I've never done anything resembling that, I'm saying, don't do it unless you are willing to face the pending consequences.

Not trying to start a huge war here but by using that logic isn't every professional golfer a theif than???

Its a totally different story and very VERY unlikely to happen, but if someone didn't like someone enough to the they could get them arrested for golfing and getting some sod in with their shot (divit, sp?)...

 

[Gyrene]

Originally posted by: alexjohnson16

Originally posted by: dtyn

Originally posted by: lowfatbaconboy
Something somewhat similar happened in my hall this year....
A guy across the hall took from sod(grass) from another part of campus and put it out infront of someone's door as a joke...and then planned to get lawn chairs and a cooler and put it out there....

but he got caught by the RA and they charged him with theft and a couple other things

honestly is it theft it is moved from one part of campus to another?
its like if i walk into my friend's house pick up his TV and walk to another part of the house set it down and walk out....is that considered theft? i think not......

also at CU dorm rooms are treated no differently than if the person had an appartment in relation to the police and what they can do with searching and what not.....

Was the sod theirs? No. Did they move it from its original location? Yes. Does that fit the definition of stealing? Yes. I'm not saying I've never done anything resembling that, I'm saying, don't do it unless you are willing to face the pending consequences.

Not trying to start a huge war here but by using that logic isn't every professional golfer a theif than???

Its a totally different story and very VERY unlikely to happen, but if someone didn't like someone enough to the they could get them arrested for golfing and getting some sod in with their shot (divit, sp?)...

Right. Golfers never pay any green fees which cover such instances.

 

[MedicBob]

The real question is was it MPD or campus police? I believe that when you live in the dorms, you follow their rules and really don't have the protection of renters/homeowners.

Still the RA was/is a twit. So they played a practical joke. I am sure it wasn't the 1st one, nor will it be the last one.

Probable cause is all the police dept. needs to preform a search within reason. Campus police might be governed wuth a looser standard.

 

Gobadgrs, why do you keep on talking to me--even when I say nothing to you (many threads not started by you), yet you claim you pray that I would just give the entire forum a silent treatment? Be true to yourself, Gobadgrs! Don't you think you often say these things and throw a fit when someone gives a constructive criticism that you don't want to hear, or calls you out on something?

As far as your statement of irony: No, it isn't an irony in this case and many cases, since I didn't initiate the diversion. What you're seeing is simply a consequence of the intentional decision of some members to attack another member. The threads I, admittedly, occasionally usurped were yours, since you had dubbed me as such and seemed willing to be humourous. However, you've been acting erratically lately, so I don't waste my time with you on a personal level (e.g., to joke with you). The post in this thread was solely relevant to the discussion, until someone chose to take it off subject and make it personal.

Ness1469, when last I checked, this forum was supposed to consist of primarily adults. Part of adulthood is possessing all mature mental faculties to reason. If you don't like something that's within the rules of the forum, don't read it or don't respond. I am shocked that any persons of functioning mental faculties would implicitly brag of his inability to reason for himself--without worrying so much that a majority or a mob would think ill of him, or his unwillingness to deal with such ostracism. Contrary to your belief, there are some people who don't jump on the bandwagon. You're asking me to relinquish my individuality; however, much to your disappointment, I won't and never shall. Don't hold your breath!

Back on topic: Gobadgrs, members here can only post opinions in capacities of laypersons, friends or law students. Only your friend knows all circumstances of the event. If he honestly suspects his rights were violated, he should seek legal advice, thereby obtaining advice from a qualified authority. There are some free services offered for initial consultation.

 

[RMSistight]

1. Take a long rag

2. Proceed to RA's car

3. Open up the gas door to his car

4. Proceed to put the long rag into the gas tank

5. Take a lighter and light the rag

6. Run like the wind. stay out of sight and duck for cover

7. If you followed steps 1-6, his vehicle should blow up and be engulfed in flames

8. Go back to your room and sip on a cold one for a job well done

:beer:

 

[Ness]

Originally posted by: luvly

Ness1469, when last I checked, this forum was supposed to consist of primarily adults. Part of adulthood is possessing all mature mental faculties to reason. If you don't like something that's within the rules of the forum, don't read it or don't respond. I am shocked that any persons of functioning mental faculties would implicitly brag of his inability to reason for himself--without worrying so much that a majority or a mob would think ill of him, or his unwillingness to deal with such ostracism. Contrary to your belief, there are some people who don't jump on the bandwagon. You're asking me to relinquish my individuality; however, much to your disappointment, I won't and never shall. Don't hold your breath!

If your so called "individuality" consists of always being demeaning and refusing to admit that you might not have the best ideas and opinions around here, then I, for one, would appreciate it if you kept your 'individuality' to yourself. I read your replies thinking for once... MAYBE JUST ONCE... you can make a post that is somehow.. a) not the same exact thing that has been said already b) not demeaning in anyway c) shows some sort of evidence of your ability to understand that you may not be right. I think I'll find Jimmy freakin' Hoffa before that happens. God forbid someone actually call you out on it, or you pull the ole' "If you don't like what I have to say, ignore me!".. as if I'm not allowed to voice my opinion on you just because you don't like what I have to say.

All Adults have also been given the capability to understand and take criticism with a dose of reality, and understand that if a lot of people agree on something.. there is probably a good reason for it.

You are always quick to judge and that makes your opinion so ridiculous that I'm amazed ANYONE cares about what you say. The first thing you did in this thread is to try and draw up inane crap that falsely misrepresents gobadgrs, totally crapping his thread, then you have the indecency to not accept the fact that you were TOTALLY wrong and try to turn it on gobadgrs for 'not picking up the sarcasm' or whatever. It may just be me, but I think that is WAAAAYYYY uncalled for. You crapped his thread based on the premise that you don't like him and you want to try and make him look like an ass. That is out of line. I don't care if it's allowed by forum rules or not, because I'm allowed to dislike you either way.

Then you go on trying to say that I'm somehow stupid or mentally incapable of knowing what's going on... what a joke. The most CHILDISH thing about it is that you apparently have nothing better to do than to question my mental capabilities... which, as most people would guess, means that I was dead right and demeaning me is the only way to make yourself look better.

I'm perfectly capable of understanding the rules of this place, which is why I understand that if I want to call you annoying, I may very well do so. I also know that being annoying, while it may not be against the rules, does not contribute to the aspect of the community and make people hate you oh so much. If I'm annoying, I can take the hint and shut my face. You, on the other hand, think you have something to prove to a bunch of people who you will never meet.

Bandwagon of luvly haters? Come on, give yourself the credit you deserve, you've worked hard to make people annoyed by you!

Go ahead with your reply of "Oh my goodness I'm so shocked at the discredit I get for trying to help my fellow forum members be enlightend as to blah blah blah blah... you must be a pathetic little man with nothing better to do... blah blah blah... I think I'm perfect"

 

[DorkBoy]

Don't blame the cops, it was "Jeffs" fault

 

[v3rrv3]

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
We have a family friend up here at the University that I know. Well call him "Jeff" Jeff is in a student dorm. In the den of that dorm, they had a Christmas tree, so as a joke, Jeff and his friends put the tree in one of the girls rooms, so when she opened her door, there was a lighted Christmas tree. The Resident Assistant then procedes to call police for the "theft" of the tree.

The cops come to Jeffs room and ask if he knows about the tree. He says that he moved the tree as a joke. They then ask him if they can search his room, to which he replies No. The cops then arrest him for theft and proceed to search his room. There they find alcohol and write him a ticket for underage possession. The dont write him any tickets or charge him with theft though.

How can the cops even do this? They went through everything of his, they even poured out his vitamins and stuff to look for drugs. Isnt that a violation of his civil rights?


edited for a typo

No normally they can't do this. There was a huge supreme court case where the cops had a warrant to search some guy's house and found something else other than what they were looking for. With a warrant they can only get you on what the warrant was issued for.

Now the difference here is it was in the dorms. In a dorm setting you're subject to university rules and whatever they impose. Thus, if the university says so, he can get in trouble for it.

For your first paragraph, either you're making it up or there is some seriously retarded cops. If they happend, theyd'd just go get another warrant. Or the thing with the drug busts as long as there's probable cause with those(which there is as long as its not like a guy with a 20 sack or something) they could look for guns all they want.

Also, say cops are going to someplace to look to see something in a warrant and happend to walk by somewhere and see something wrong(a body, gun, etc) they can do what they please from what I remember, some "good intentions law" or something like that.

- Kevin

 

Originally posted by: v3rrv3

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
We have a family friend up here at the University that I know. Well call him "Jeff" Jeff is in a student dorm. In the den of that dorm, they had a Christmas tree, so as a joke, Jeff and his friends put the tree in one of the girls rooms, so when she opened her door, there was a lighted Christmas tree. The Resident Assistant then procedes to call police for the "theft" of the tree.

The cops come to Jeffs room and ask if he knows about the tree. He says that he moved the tree as a joke. They then ask him if they can search his room, to which he replies No. The cops then arrest him for theft and proceed to search his room. There they find alcohol and write him a ticket for underage possession. The dont write him any tickets or charge him with theft though.

How can the cops even do this? They went through everything of his, they even poured out his vitamins and stuff to look for drugs. Isnt that a violation of his civil rights?


edited for a typo

No normally they can't do this. There was a huge supreme court case where the cops had a warrant to search some guy's house and found something else other than what they were looking for. With a warrant they can only get you on what the warrant was issued for.

Now the difference here is it was in the dorms. In a dorm setting you're subject to university rules and whatever they impose. Thus, if the university says so, he can get in trouble for it.

For your first paragraph, either you're making it up or there is some seriously retarded cops. If they happend, theyd'd just go get another warrant. Or the thing with the drug busts as long as there's probable cause with those(which there is as long as its not like a guy with a 20 sack or something) they could look for guns all they want.

Also, say cops are going to someplace to look to see something in a warrant and happend to walk by somewhere and see something wrong(a body, gun, etc) they can do what they please from what I remember, some "good intentions law" or something like that.

- Kevin

I think I know what he means, although he might have read the article he got his information from incorrectly. A warrent has to state what is being searched and it usually will cover every single illegal item that could be found. However, if a warrent does not state say the "basement" of a house then anything found in that basement cannot be admitted into court because the search warrent did not allow for the search of that area. If however, they are searching a house on a drugbust, and they are looking for narcatics but come across a dead body or illegal firearm, then the police are well within their rights to process that evidence as well.

If you have a link to the case to prove me wrong, by all means. I would accually like to read it and see if some of my professors know about it.

 

Originally posted by: luvly
[Fallen Hero:] "wow, thanks for repeating what was already said. Luvly, you are still a dumbass."

What does that say about you? Ooops! I forgot you were a fallen hero . . . villain; so bitter that he seeks my constant attention by making senseless and pointless posts directed toward me. You're a dumber a$$ for giving time to read a dumb a$$' post and, furthermore, respond to it. Kiss off . . . no time for fallen villains.

oh no! NOT MY NICK! DONT ATTACK THAT! Please Luvly, you are by far the most hated person on these forums, bar none. All you have done so far is just repeat what others have said without giving credit to them. To top it off, you are probably the most arrogant person that has ever posted here. I even gave you a chance when I first started reading your drivel and you just come across as some little pretty princess who is never wrong. Just give it up for once Luvly. I posted "you are a dumbass" not only because I hate you, but because it's the truth. I do not seek your attention, only your removal from these forums.

As for attention from you, yea sure, I seek it. I want you to read my posts because maybe one day you will heed my advice and get your arrogant, good for nothing, hurricane face out of these forums so my overall intelligence level doesn't drop further than it already has because of you.