How can I destroy data on 3TB USB HD without pounding it to bits with hammer?

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Override the bits with garbage - create a text/binary file with random stuff that fills up the drive.
 

Muse

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Override the bits with garbage - create a text/binary file with random stuff that fills up the drive.
Right now I can't access the drive with Windows. It's seen as unallocated. It does not show up in Explorer, in Disk Management it shows up as unallocated and uninitialized. I try to fix that in Disk Management and it says "The media is write protected."

I have Partition Wizard running on it right now, scanning the whole drive. It's been doing this for ~5 hours and it's 18% done. I am not certain it's on the right track but am letting it do its thing. The program seems intuitive and I just did what seemed the obvious thing to do, didn't read all the info online by someone who is obviously ESL with middling English. Maybe at the end of the scanning process it will have righted things. If not, I may try the freezing thing (really, at this point I think the problem isn't hardware, or at least not entirely hardware, I think it's a software thing that is making the drive totally unusable in terms of the partition not being seen... so I think freezing is climbing the wrong tree), and either call WD and ask technical support for some guidance and/or bring it to the radio station I work at, dig out the old cartridge tape bulk eraser we used to use all the time and zaaaaapppp!!! Then send the thing to WD in Riverside, CA...

I'm fairly confident that our station bulk eraser will render the info inaccessible, it's pretty powerful. I saw it there tucked away in the production studio. I'm visiting the station in ~11 hours, maybe I'll bring the HD with me, but I don't think the Partition Wizard scan will have completed, so maybe I'll wait and do a special trip tomorrow if necessary, it's not that far.

Anyone have any idea what WD tech support would say to my dilemma? Maybe I'm best off not alerting them. I can just take a zap and see approach.

I'm curious what kind of EMF's that bulk eraser puts out! I have a device that will measure that, maybe I'll bring it along. It's probably ginormous.
You keep credit card numbers and passwords on your disk drives?

Really?
No, it's all in your head.

At Wikipedia's treatment on degaussing it says about degaussing HD's:

Many forms of generic magnetic storage media can be reused after degaussing, including audio reel-to-reel tape, VHS videocassettes, and floppy disks. These older media types are simply a raw medium which are overwritten with fresh new patterns, created by fixed-alignment read/write heads.

For certain forms of computer data storage, however, such as modern hard drives and some tape backup drives, degaussing renders the magnetic media completely unusable and damages the storage system. This is due to the devices having an infinitely variable read/write head positioning mechanism which relies on special servo control data (e.g. Gray Code) that is meant to be permanently embedded into the magnetic media. This servo data is written onto the media a single time at the factory using special-purpose servo writing hardware.

The servo patterns are normally never overwritten by the device for any reason and are used to precisely position the read/write heads over data tracks on the media, to compensate for sudden jarring device movements, thermal expansion, or changes in orientation. Degaussing indiscriminately removes not only the stored data but also the servo control data, and without the servo data the device is no longer able to determine where data is to be read or written on the magnetic medium. The medium must be low-level formatted to become usable again; with modern hard drives, this is generally not possible without manufacturer-specific and often model-specific service equipment.

This suggests that if I do hit the HD with the bulk eraser it won't be reusable unless WD low level formats the HD. I presume they are able to do this, so I'm in effect not making the device permanently unusable by doing so.
 
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Essence_of_War

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Have you tried any linux command line tools for wiping unmounted drives?

Booting from an ubuntu live cd and running:

wipe -rcf /dev/sdX (where X is the device label for the drive) should work.

Alternatively, I think the secure erase feature of hdparm also works:

hdparm --user-master u --security-set-pass YOURPASSWORD /dev/sdX
hdparm --user-master u --security-erase YOURPASSWORD /dev/sdX
 

Evadman

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If the drive won't spin up (which it sounds like), and you have data on it that is a security risk, weigh the risk against the $100 or such that the warranty replacement is worth. I'd probably just destroy the drive.

Baring that however, you can do some fun stuff. For example, being it with you when you get an MRI done. 3 tesla will probably wipe it if you get within a few feet of an MRI machine. However, 3 tesla will also be strong enough to rip it right out of your pants pocket and toss it across the room if you are in axial alignment. Could be fun. Could be deadly. What better reasons to try?
 

alkemyst

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If the drive won't spin up (which it sounds like), and you have data on it that is a security risk, weigh the risk against the $100 or such that the warranty replacement is worth. I'd probably just destroy the drive.

Baring that however, you can do some fun stuff. For example, being it with you when you get an MRI done. 3 tesla will probably wipe it if you get within a few feet of an MRI machine. However, 3 tesla will also be strong enough to rip it right out of your pants pocket and toss it across the room if you are in axial alignment. Could be fun. Could be deadly. What better reasons to try?

QFT....most that have truly sensitive data would not worry about a consumer level drive.

Many enterprise drives I have not had to send back in for warranty replacement either.
 

tential

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Wow, I was just going to suggest that maybe instead of using a hammer you just run over it with your car but it seems people got you covered.
 

Muse

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Wow, I was just going to suggest that maybe instead of using a hammer you just run over it with your car but it seems people got you covered.
Honestly, the prospect that the drive gets sent back to WD without being crushed or bulk erased doesn't have me terribly nervous. I figure the risk is 1/1000, actually far less that someone will gain access to my CC numbers or passwords and do anything nasty with them.

MRI's really expose you to humongous magnetic fields? Are these AC magnetic fields (i.e. pulsing?). Had no idea, but yeah, that's why they're called MR I suppose. Haven't had one for over 10 years.

I'll try the stuff suggested before resorting to the bulk eraser. I need to get an Ubuntu Live CD or similar anyway because I have a 2TB WD USB HD that has "too many bad sectors". That HD is beyond warranty, I could sledge it to oblivion (after removing the cool magnets), but it has a bunch of data I want to retrieve. I'm going to try to do that by first cloning the drive to a 3TB HD, then try to access the data from that. Here's the thread where I got the ideas:

2TB HD -- "Too many bad sectors detected"
Here a video tutorial on partition recovery with PW when the scan completes.

http://www.partitionwizard.com/video-help/partition-recovery/partition-recovery.html
I watched this. It's evidently soundless. It's pretty good. I was nervous because I couldn't check anything before the scan started or after it started. Evidently (hopefully) I will be able to check the one partition after the scan ends and be able to retrieve it. Should be late tonight or tomorrow. I just need to make sure that WD gets the HD by July 7, guess that should not be a problem. Riverside is about 400 miles from here, USPS should be able to get it there by then.
 
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Muse

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Here a video tutorial on partition recovery with PW when the scan completes.

http://www.partitionwizard.com/video-help/partition-recovery/partition-recovery.html

I ran the scan twice (first time I think I screwed up), so this took me two days. Afterwards DLGDIAG was still not able to write zeros to the HD, "Partition Delete Fail." Time running out (WD has to have the HD by July 7 or I'm charged for the replacement), I decide it's time to use the bulk eraser on it (I was starting to get nervous and didn't want to try the Ubuntu Live CD thing), which I did yesterday. I gave it many passes with the Gauss-emitting machine, designed for cartridge tapes, brought the HD home and hooked it up and to my surprise it still passed the Quick test in DLGDIAG, still showed a caution in crystaldiskinfo (on reallocated sector count). My theory is that the metal casing of the HD is deflecting the magnetic field, thus there's still data on the HD that wasn't scrambled.

So, I tried to run the extended test to see what would happen and it immediately aborted (as did the write zeros facility), saying it had too many bad sectors to run the extended test. I packaged the drive, called WD and explained my reticence to send a HD that had sensitive data. The guy assured me that the first thing they do is erase all data from the HD. I didn't ask him what method they use! He said if the HD is no longer usable it's destroyed (isn't a HD with too many bad sectors unusable?). I figure that's the fate of mine, it will be crushed. I sent it off in the mail.
 
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bryanl

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I decide it's time to use the bulk eraser on it (I was starting to get nervous and didn't want to try the Ubuntu Live CD thing), which I did yesterday. I gave it many passes with the Gauss-emitting machine, designed for cartridge tapes, brought the HD home and hooked it up and to my surprise it still passed the Quick test in DLGDIAG, still showed a caution in crystaldiskinfo (on reallocated sector count). My theory is that the metal casing of the HD is deflecting the magnetic field, thus there's still data on the HD that wasn't scrambled.
The bulk tape eraser was simply too weak - almost every bulk eraser is, and even the most powerful consumer models cannot be trusted to destroy data. One seller of very powerful magnets even warned people they cannot reliably erase data from disks, but they are good for erasing technologically cutting edge media like floppy disks and zip disks.

A single pass of writing to the hard drive will erase it well enough that it will be readable only by national intelligence agencies in possession of special equipment and that are willing to spend months or even years to recover the data.

If you ever encounter a faulty drive that will not run well enough to be erased and you cannot risk exposing the data, physically destroy it by unscrewing its cover and sanding, bending, or cutting all its platters.
 
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unixwizzard

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is there a junkyard near you?

any decent yard will have an electromagnet hanging off a crane..

if you are that worried about someone getting your data, go find a junkyard and ask if you could borrow their crane for a minute..


I'm sure a magnet that can lift a ton of steel will surely wipe a hard drive.
 

aigomorla

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i highly doubt someone at WD is gonna even bother doing a restoration of data on the drive.

they will check to drive integrity and then try to refurbish it by replacing the bad platter, or motor, and then most likely low lvl format it, or send it off to the recycling plant if its not fixable.

They will not spend the many hours required in a clean room, taking off disks and doing a lvl3 restoration.

Well not unless u work for the government, and the guy at WD happens to be a international SPY that knows u have classified and confidential information on the drive, which relates to national security.

The risk of getting caught for the employee and losing his job is too great, not to mention, they just dont care most of the time. They have a desk pile high of drives they need to check after yours, so them going though RMA'd drives is not on the top of there priority.
 
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Muse

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i highly doubt someone at WD is gonna even bother doing a restoration of data on the drive.

they will check to drive integrity and then try to refurbish it by replacing the bad platter, or motor, and then most likely low lvl format it, or send it off to the recycling plant if its not fixable.

They will not spend the many hours required in a clean room, taking off disks and doing a lvl3 restoration.

Well not unless u work for the government, and the guy at WD happens to be a international SPY that knows u have classified and confidential information on the drive, which relates to national security.

The risk of getting caught for the employee and losing his job is too great, not to mention, they just dont care most of the time. They have a desk pile high of drives they need to check after yours, so them going though RMA'd drives is not on the top of there priority.
Uh, in other words they ... what?

How can they replace a bad disk or the motor without using a clean room?

They will or won't destroy my data in the event they reuse the HD? I figure the odds that anyone is going to get my data are slim, and even if the wrong people did, what is the worst they could get? A few CC numbers (they are insured against loss). I don't have my passwords on there, I have my personal hints to my passwords. They don't know what I'm hinting at. Yeah, I'm nervous that way, I always figure someone might get ahold of my data somehow. Mostly my data is of interest to me, no one else. But to me it's of great value.

My guess is they are going to see "too many bad sectors" (but who knows what equipment and software they use for their analysis, I doubt they are using DLGDIAG) and chuck the drive into a pile for "recycling." I had a temp job many years ago where we chucked literally barrels of computer chips (IC's), into a machine that crushed them into powder. We wore the simplest and most primitive dust masks. Even so I think we were exposed to some pretty toxic dust. I only did it for a few days, a couple of times.
 
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_Rick_

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Pro tip:
Use full disk encryption on any hard drive that contains personal information.

If you can't write zeros to the drive, and it's not worth it to you to encrypt the disk, then you might as well just send it in. A thief will not bother with some disk drive he doesn't know the content of, and WD will not bother trying to read the disk, beyond some basic automated diagnostics.

Also, I recommend using a simple linux boot disk and going dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sd-whatever bs=4M to wipe a disk. But I really recommend encryption. Bitlocker, LUKS, something like that. Follow the instructions on the Truecrypt sourceforge page
 

Revolution 11

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You can also encrypt the entire drive, and then lose the key. Just as good as wiping and perhaps more cryptographically secure.

Edit: Ninja'd by Rick.
 

dac7nco

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HBC bulk tape eraser/re-record that Too Short song/HBC bulk tape eraser............
 
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