How can I Prove Evolution?

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: supesman
dude, just watch the discovery channel or the nat'l geographic channel. They have shows all the time about evolution. The best example would be to show the evolution of man from apes. There are many examples of intermediate species incl the neanderthals so you shouldn't have much to explain.

neaderthals aren't an intermediate species as we did not evolve from them as far as anyone can tell.

according to scientists neaderthals evolved seperately for a long time before they mixed with the homo sapiens, and thanks to the neaderthals we have hotties with red hair

there is no evidence supporting the mixing of neaderthals and modern man.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: oblizue


4. Thermodynamics does not deal with situations requiring human thought and effort in order to create order from disorder. Thermodynamics is limited by the equations and mathematics of thermodynamics. If it can't be expressed mathematically, it isn't thermodynamics!

yes it does... it takes energy to put the block on top of the next to build a wall, and more energy is expended by whoever put it there, in the form of heat. you still have less usable energy than you started with

 

[klah]

Beast1248
Does a person have to have an alternative theory? Some people honestly don't give a crap. And their blood pressure is prolly a lot lower than any of ours arguing over it.

Red Dawn
How about I really don't know and neither does anybody else despite what they may say.


So the only theories are God and Evolution then?

 

[Moonbeam]

Of course we know. Evolution is a proven fact. You're just a bit behind on what it means to think rationally. Nobody is guessing about evolution. It's as plain as day all around. We can watch DNA divide. We know what kinds of mistakes get made. We see variability, we know that every lifing thing came from some other living thing. We know the earth is ancient and that simple life came before complex life. It's as obvious as 2 + 2. Evolution is a fact. Get over it. The likelyhood that evolution is wrong is on the order of 2 does not equal 2. You can't claim to posess reason, when you see the evidence, and deny what you see.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: baffled2
LOL,my aren't you ambitous ? it would be nice if you or someone could it would shut up the fundamentalists and that would be a good thing

At any rate,I'm more concerned with finding the best place to order sour dough bread starter

Congrats on a twofer. You've successfully slammed the idiots and used yeast bacteria evolving into great bread to prove the argument in a single post.

Originally posted by: klah
What is your alternative theory?

I don't need an alternative theory. I believe religion is a bad excuse for philosophy. They both attempt to answer questions about life's mysteries, but at least in philosophy, I don't know. is an acceptable answer.

Any group that claims to have all the answers based only on what was written a few thousand years ago, and contrary to everyything we can observe in real time with newer knowledge, insight and technology, is blowing smoke, and no amount of gaudy robes, fancy buildings or gibberish incantations changes that.

AFIC, religion is nothing but another political power structure whose prime directive is continuance of their own power.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: klah
Beast1248
Does a person have to have an alternative theory? Some people honestly don't give a crap. And their blood pressure is prolly a lot lower than any of ours arguing over it.

Red Dawn
How about I really don't know and neither does anybody else despite what they may say.


So the only theories are God and Evolution then?

Aliens

 

[Pastore]

Originally posted by: klah
Beast1248
Does a person have to have an alternative theory? Some people honestly don't give a crap. And their blood pressure is prolly a lot lower than any of ours arguing over it.

Red Dawn
How about I really don't know and neither does anybody else despite what they may say.


So the only theories are God and Evolution then?

Maybe if you weren't so ignorant you might get a more complete answer out of someone.

 

[Moonbeam]

Damn, baffled, I could have given you mine. But my Dad started it so long ago that just recently, when I opened the frig, it got up and walked away.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Damn, baffled, I could have given you mine. But my Dad started it so long ago that just recently, when I opened the frig, it got up and walked away.

Darn you Cailifornians !! everybody who bakes is on the hunt to answer the eterrnal question, just where in Cali is the BEST Sourdough starter found?

It's like the hunt for the Holy Grail, lol, I dunno about Christ but my bread dough will sure rise again

 

[klah]

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: klah
Beast1248
Does a person have to have an alternative theory? Some people honestly don't give a crap. And their blood pressure is prolly a lot lower than any of ours arguing over it.

Red Dawn
How about I really don't know and neither does anybody else despite what they may say.


So the only theories are God and Evolution then?

Maybe if you weren't so ignorant you might get a more complete answer out of someone.

How exactly am I ignorant? The only two theories I have seen presented in this thread are evolution and religion. I am simply asking if there are alternative theories.

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

How can I Prove Evolution?

How about picking up a used college level intro to biology textbook?

However, faith based beliefs aren't easily pursuaded by scientific arguments.

Ask your dad why there can't be BOTH types of interpretations? That is, evolution as a technical explanation of life, and the bible as a spiritual explanation.

 

[Harvey]

yamahaXS -- Damn! There you go, injecting reason into a perfectly good flame party.

 

[Pastore]

Originally posted by: klah

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Originally posted by: klah
Beast1248
Does a person have to have an alternative theory? Some people honestly don't give a crap. And their blood pressure is prolly a lot lower than any of ours arguing over it.

Red Dawn
How about I really don't know and neither does anybody else despite what they may say.


So the only theories are God and Evolution then?

Maybe if you weren't so ignorant you might get a more complete answer out of someone.

How exactly am I ignorant? The only two theories I have seen presented in this thread are evolution and religion. I am simply asking if there are alternative theories.

Of course there are other theories. Go search on google and read a little bit.

 

[oblizue]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: oblizue


4. Thermodynamics does not deal with situations requiring human thought and effort in order to create order from disorder. Thermodynamics is limited by the equations and mathematics of thermodynamics. If it can't be expressed mathematically, it isn't thermodynamics!

yes it does... it takes energy to put the block on top of the next to build a wall, and more energy is expended by whoever put it there, in the form of heat. you still have less usable energy than you started with

I'm afraid you misinterpret what they are saying. The idea here is that we are making conscious decisions to create these buildings, airplanes, whatever out of raw material. Thermodynamics is not about our conscious decision to make things, but the process of something occuring.

 

[edro]

man...... I didn't think I would spark all this.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: oblizue

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: oblizue


4. Thermodynamics does not deal with situations requiring human thought and effort in order to create order from disorder. Thermodynamics is limited by the equations and mathematics of thermodynamics. If it can't be expressed mathematically, it isn't thermodynamics!

yes it does... it takes energy to put the block on top of the next to build a wall, and more energy is expended by whoever put it there, in the form of heat. you still have less usable energy than you started with

I'm afraid you misinterpret what they are saying. The idea here is that we are making conscious decisions to create these buildings, airplanes, whatever out of raw material. Thermodynamics is not about our conscious decision to make things, but the process of something occuring.

still applies. we expend more than we get back. theres less usable energy in the system.

 

[klah]

Originally posted by: Beast1284

Of course there are other theories. Go search on google and read a little bit.

1. Creationism
2. Evolution
3. Aliens
4. ??

Anyone??

 

[0roo0roo]

go to the library, and check out pbs's series on evolution. most recent and probably best begginers guide to evolution. i think theres a companion book which is quite detailed too.

Does a person have to have an alternative theory? Some people honestly don't give a crap. And their blood pressure is prolly a lot lower than any of ours arguing over it.

the reason this was asked is because people ussualy rag on evolution because they do hold an alternative "theory". ussually creationism which they don't put under the same microscope since it fits their dogmatic theology.

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: edro13
My dad still can't conceive Evolution. I try to explain it to him by saying that giraffes were once horse-like animals and their got longer over millions of years due to vegetation being high in the air.

What are some REAL examples that are 100% proven?

He seems to think that ALL animals are completely separate and not related at all. (God made them all)

A prime example is to study the animals on the Galapagos Islands. Especially one kind of bird where the size of their beaks change (almost) from year to year due to the change in food from year to year.
And this thread will end up in a flame war. But I can still not understand how people belive in creation. just the comcept that something suddenly is created is so far off. Pofff.... and we have a new bird.

 

[fluxquantum]

oh no, another thread on evolution. here we go again

 

[0roo0roo]

and point at your wisdom teeth and ask your dad what kinda sick f*ck would put that into the original design

and why do some whales have vestigal leg bones inside?

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: Tominator

Even today we see thousands of species becoming extinct. We see no new ones. I wonder why?

Why?
Because we (modern science) has not existed long enough to see it.
A new species is not 'suddenly created', it evolves (spelling) slowly during thousands of years. We would probably see a new species evolve if humanity selected 1 now existing species and stored samples of it during thousands of years and then compare them.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser

Originally posted by: Tominator

Even today we see thousands of species becoming extinct. We see no new ones. I wonder why?

Why?
Because we (modern science) has not existed long enough to see it.
A new species is not 'suddenly created', it evolves (spelling) slowly during thousands of years. We would probably see a new species evolve if humanity selected 1 now existing species and stored samples of it during thousands of years and then compare them.

yes another person confusing human time(say 100 years) or even 3000 years to deep time, hundreds of thousands of years.

 

[fatbaby]

whats the point of these threads?

The same god d@mn things are mentioned in everyone of them. Thermal Dynamics, carbon dating, microevolution...And in the end everyone is just back where they are when they started...

Can't we just compromise? How about God created Aliens who macroevolved and partially created macroevolution on earth along with God?

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: Tominator

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Tominator
There is zero evidence man had an 'ape-like'ancestor.

Isn't that your purpose on this planet?

Seriously, you may want to consider bacterial resistance to antibiotics as evidence that living organisms adapt and evolve. When attacked by antibiotics, the most resistant are the most likely to survive, and this resistance is passed to later generations of the bacteria.

So you are saying that's how we got here? Even scientist admit the earth would need to be many times older than anyone claims for the evolutionary theory you suggest to even be remotely possible.

Mutations are commonplace, but evolution as 'the origion of the species' as taught in public schools is a farce!

Evolution is the result of many many mutations. Some are good and they survive, some are bad and will die out.
Evolution and Mutation is closely connected. In fact without mutations there would be no evolution. Everything would stay the same forever. So when you say mutations is commonplace, you've actually accepted evolution.
Now the only thing left before you understand how evolution works is to see how the common mutation will affect a species during hundreds of thousands of years.