How can people look at the screen when its 60 Hz?

[Atlantean]

I am doing a fresh install of windows on a new harddrive and I haven't gotten to the video card drivers yet, still working on all the windows updates and mobo drivers... but the screen is at 1024x768 and 60 hz and it is not a pretty sight I can see the flicker and its giving me a headache... how do people look at monitors with refresh rates below 80 hz?

 

[ponyo]

Because we use LCD. No sane person would use CRT at 60 Hz.

 

[Abhi]

Some ppl i have seen have done so for years! They have no idea what the refresh rate is, and never mess with it.

I guess windows choses 60 by default?

 

[Atlantean]

Originally posted by: Abhi
Some ppl i have seen have done so for years! They have no idea what the refresh rate is, and never mess with it.

I guess windows choses 60 by default?

Yeah it must because at that resolution my refresh rate should be way way higher... oh and of course I meant crts. LCDs look great at that refresh rate.

 

[Ronstang]

I have a 24" widescreen CRT that I am running at 60 Hz right now, in fact I always run it at this frequency and sometimes stare at it for hours on end with no problwms. I just tried setting it up higher and it actuall looks worse at higher frequencies. It basically depends upon how good you eyes are as to how low a refresh rate you can comfortably view for long periods.....mine must be fantastic since it has never ever bothered me to view monitors at 60 Hz.....no eyestrain or headaches as others claim.

 

[MasterHoss]

It makes me want to throw up. Seriously... I don't know why but it does... especially if the background is white.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
It basically depends upon how good you eyes are as to how low a refresh rate you can comfortably view for long periods.....mine must be fantastic since it has never ever bothered me to view monitors at 60 Hz.....no eyestrain or headaches as others claim.

Why does that sound a lot like saying the more sensitve your hearing the louder you can play music w/o it hurting. Maybe your eyes have just grown "numb" to 60hz the same way people who work at sewage plants grow "numb" to the horrible stench.


Lethal

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe

Originally posted by: Ronstang
It basically depends upon how good you eyes are as to how low a refresh rate you can comfortably view for long periods.....mine must be fantastic since it has never ever bothered me to view monitors at 60 Hz.....no eyestrain or headaches as others claim.

Why does that sound a lot like saying the more sensitve your hearing the louder you can play music w/o it hurting. Maybe your eyes have just grown "numb" to 60hz the same way people who work at sewage plants grow "numb" to the horrible stench.


Lethal

That doesn't apply since this is the first monitor I have ever run this low for extended periods and it has never bothered me from day one.

 

[parsley007]

it doesn't seem to bother me...i don't know why though...

 

[kami]

I'm fine with 75hz...anything below that (even 72hz) gives me a headache after prolonged viewing.

 

[Atlantean]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
I have a 24" widescreen CRT that I am running at 60 Hz right now, in fact I always run it at this frequency and sometimes stare at it for hours on end with no problwms. I just tried setting it up higher and it actuall looks worse at higher frequencies. It basically depends upon how good you eyes are as to how low a refresh rate you can comfortably view for long periods.....mine must be fantastic since it has never ever bothered me to view monitors at 60 Hz.....no eyestrain or headaches as others claim.

If it doesnt bother you its not because you have good eyesight... you are only seeing the thing refreshed 60 times a second and not seeing any flicker that would mean that you are not picking up as much as everyone else would it not? Though it could just be the monitor, I havent seen the 24" widescreen. My monitor is a dell P1110.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Originally posted by: Atlantean
LCDs look great at that refresh rate.

Refresh rate doesn't apply to LCDs, since they don't strobe like a CRT.

 

[Hardtarget]

Unless you have good eyes you don't really notice it so much. I used to run at 60 for years. I had a el cheapo monitor and i have bad eyes. However with my new more expensive monitor I can see the crapness of 60 and have gone up.

 

[Sunner]

I can't stand 60 Hz for more than a few minutes, after that my eyes feel like they're about to melt.
75 Hz I can stand for short periods of time, wouldn't wanna sit an entire day in front of that monitor though.
85 Hz is fine.
100 Hz is finer

Both my mom and a friend of mine used to get occasional headaches and stuff when at work, when i asked them about it, it turned out that both of them were using CRT's at 60 Hz, I told them how to change it, lo and behold, both of them felt much better after that, and now neither of them can stand 60 Hz anymore.

 

[Pretty Cool]

My local library has maybe 30-40 Dell workstations all set to 60hz!! I can't look at that thing for more than a few minutes. That IT guy is crazy. It's actually sad, as all those school kids getting headaches because this clown does nothing.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Originally posted by: Hardtarget
Unless you have good eyes you don't really notice it so much. I used to run at 60 for years. I had a el cheapo monitor and i have bad eyes. However with my new more expensive monitor I can see the crapness of 60 and have gone up.

Yeah actually, the older/crappier the monitor, the more tolerable low refresh rates are, because the phosphors are slower to react, thus reducing the blinking effect. 60hz is more tolerable on a horrible 14" 1990 monitor than it is on a nice modern 19".

 

[0roo0roo]

yea, librarys schools etc all at the default. and no one setting it up or using i t seems to notice. less annoying now that many places are switching to lcd.

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

If I look out the side of my eye at a 60hz CRT, I swear I can almost see the refresh bar going up and down.

 

[Confused]

Because they haven't seen it any better and just don't care.

 

[Jumpem]

I'm weird... I honestly notice flicker on crt's MORE the higher the refresh rate goes. 85hz and 120hz drive me crazy, so I always set my 17" SOny to 60hz.

 

[oldfart]

I've always found it odd too. Some people are very sensitive to it (me), others dont notice it. I can see it a mile away. I've set the refresh back and forth between 60 and 85 Hz and people tell me they cant tell the difference! Different eyes I guess.

 

[Davegod]

I cant stand anything below 85hz for a reasonable lengh of time, and can hardly stand to glance at 60hz. Only now that I use 100hz do I not start to feel funny when using comp for most of the day.

All these work and public places that set 60hz should learn to change it to something better - practically every PC I've sat at that is at 60hz could do at least 75hz. A 1min task per PC can only improve employee health, sickness rates and productivity.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Lol I didn't know about increasing refresh rates for a long time. I always saw a flicker in my monitor if I wasn't look directly at it. When I was paying attention to it though I couldn't see the flicker so I didn't bother looking for a fix.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: MasterHoss
It makes me want to throw up. Seriously... I don't know why but it does... especially if the background is white.

I just get headaches....and nausea sometimes accompanies them. And yeah, a white screen at 60Hz is terrible.
I don't like refresh rates below 85Hz, though 75Hz is at least tolerable for a little while. My own monitor is at 120Hz; it supports up to 144Hz, but that was only supported by a few driver revisions back when I had a Geforce4 Ti4200. Later drivers removed support for it; my 9700Pro's drivers can't produce that frequency either. 120Hz seems to work just fine though.
There are people though who can't see any flicker at 60Hz. However, I still recommend a higher refresh rate for anyone in that group that complains of eyestrain while using a computer; the low refresh rate could still be causing it.

 

[EngenZerO]

I am cool with it at my house my Sony is @ 1600x1200 w/ no problems. but when I got to lower resolutions with 60hz that is when problems start.