How can the dems just be blowwing another election?

[fisheerman]

I just don't understand how the dem party can be blowing this election with such a poor choice in candidate. I'm not politically affiliated and always vote for the best candidate.

People that I know (as well as I) want change from the current repub party but will never vote for such a left winger as obama.

I just can't believe with the current approval rating in the repubs and people looking for alternatives that this race is even close.

Know it looks like they are going to blow it again

new polls

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: fisheerman
I just don't understand how the dem party can be blowing this election with such a poor choice in candidate. I'm not politically affiliated and always vote for the best candidate.

People that I know (as well as I) want change from the current repub party but will never vote for such a left winger as obama.

I just can't believe with the current approval rating in the repubs and people looking for alternatives that this race is even close.

Know it looks like they are going to blow it again

new polls

People that I know (as well as I) want change from the current repub party and will vote for Obama because McCain will be 4 more years of GWB.

I guess my people cancel out your people

 

[fisheerman]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: fisheerman
I just don't understand how the dem party can be blowing this election with such a poor choice in candidate. I'm not politically affiliated and always vote for the best candidate.

People that I know (as well as I) want change from the current repub party but will never vote for such a left winger as obama.

I just can't believe with the current approval rating in the repubs and people looking for alternatives that this race is even close.

Know it looks like they are going to blow it again

new polls

People that I know (as well as I) want change from the current repub party and will vote for Obama because McCain will be 4 more years of GWB.

I guess my people cancel out your people

but most of the people that I am around have in the past been die hard republicans and are furious with the current state of the party and are looking for alternatives.

im in VA and I can tell you if the dems would've had someone closer to center instead of far left this state would turn blue.

the dems took a guarenteed victory and turned it into a real election race.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: fisheerman
I just don't understand how the dem party can be blowing this election with such a poor choice in candidate. I'm not politically affiliated and always vote for the best candidate.

People that I know (as well as I) want change from the current repub party but will never vote for such a left winger as obama.

I just can't believe with the current approval rating in the repubs and people looking for alternatives that this race is even close.

Know it looks like they are going to blow it again

new polls

repost.

and if you think obama is a left winger then you'd never vote for a democrat so quit the apolitical bullshit talk. You want, what? a pro-life, pro-gun, anti-welfare, anti-big govt democrat? pray tell, who is this mythical beast?

 

[acheron]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: fisheerman
I just don't understand how the dem party can be blowing this election with such a poor choice in candidate. I'm not politically affiliated and always vote for the best candidate.

People that I know (as well as I) want change from the current repub party but will never vote for such a left winger as obama.

I just can't believe with the current approval rating in the repubs and people looking for alternatives that this race is even close.

Know it looks like they are going to blow it again

new polls

People that I know (as well as I) want change from the current repub party and will vote for Obama because McCain will be 4 more years of GWB.

I guess my people cancel out your people

I didn't vote for Bush either time, but I'm very likely voting for McCain, because despite the Dems repeating that McCain is "4 more years of GWB", that's fairly obviously not true.

Perhaps my people plus his people beat your people?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: fisheerman
I just don't understand how the dem party can be blowing this election with such a poor choice in candidate. I'm not politically affiliated and always vote for the best candidate.

People that I know (as well as I) want change from the current repub party but will never vote for such a left winger as obama.

I just can't believe with the current approval rating in the repubs and people looking for alternatives that this race is even close.

Know it looks like they are going to blow it again

new polls

Please explain what positions Obama has that you think are 'far left'.

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: fisheerman
I just don't understand how the dem party can be blowing this election with such a poor choice in candidate. I'm not politically affiliated and always vote for the best candidate.

People that I know (as well as I) want change from the current repub party but will never vote for such a left winger as obama.

I just can't believe with the current approval rating in the repubs and people looking for alternatives that this race is even close.

Know it looks like they are going to blow it again

new polls

repost.

and if you think obama is a left winger then you'd never vote for a democrat so quit the apolitical bullshit talk. You want, what? a pro-life, pro-gun, anti-welfare, anti-big govt democrat? pray tell, who is this mythical beast?

i agree with jonks. Frankly, I don't find Obama that far-left. Certainly not as far left as Kerry was.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: fisheerman

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: fisheerman
I just don't understand how the dem party can be blowing this election with such a poor choice in candidate. I'm not politically affiliated and always vote for the best candidate.

People that I know (as well as I) want change from the current repub party but will never vote for such a left winger as obama.

I just can't believe with the current approval rating in the repubs and people looking for alternatives that this race is even close.

Know it looks like they are going to blow it again

new polls

People that I know (as well as I) want change from the current repub party and will vote for Obama because McCain will be 4 more years of GWB.

I guess my people cancel out your people

but most of the people that I am around have in the past been die hard republicans and are furious with the current state of the party and are looking for alternatives.

im in VA and I can tell you if the dems would've had someone closer to center instead of far left this state would turn blue.

the dems took a guarenteed victory and turned it into a real election race.

but most of the people that I am around have in the past been die hard republicans too! and THEY Are furious with the current state of the part and are looking for alternatives!!! OMGWTFHTH!?!?

anecdotal evidence is fun!!

This isn't passing the sniff test...sorry.

Oh and btw- I wonder if BHO picks Kaine as his VEEP if that has any impact on VA going blue hmmmm?

 

[fisheerman]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: fisheerman
I just don't understand how the dem party can be blowing this election with such a poor choice in candidate. I'm not politically affiliated and always vote for the best candidate.

People that I know (as well as I) want change from the current repub party but will never vote for such a left winger as obama.

I just can't believe with the current approval rating in the repubs and people looking for alternatives that this race is even close.

Know it looks like they are going to blow it again

new polls

repost.

and if you think obama is a left winger then you'd never vote for a democrat so quit the apolitical bullshit talk. You want, what? a pro-life, pro-gun, anti-welfare, anti-big govt democrat? pray tell, who is this mythical beast?

actually i am as middle as they get.
i want to be left alone, keep as much of my hard earned money as possible, what two people do in there own time ( and with who) is there business and what a women wants to do with her body is her business.

so azzwad where does that put me in your class?

 

[fisheerman]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: fisheerman

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: fisheerman
I just don't understand how the dem party can be blowing this election with such a poor choice in candidate. I'm not politically affiliated and always vote for the best candidate.

People that I know (as well as I) want change from the current repub party but will never vote for such a left winger as obama.

I just can't believe with the current approval rating in the repubs and people looking for alternatives that this race is even close.

Know it looks like they are going to blow it again

new polls

People that I know (as well as I) want change from the current repub party and will vote for Obama because McCain will be 4 more years of GWB.

I guess my people cancel out your people

but most of the people that I am around have in the past been die hard republicans and are furious with the current state of the party and are looking for alternatives.

im in VA and I can tell you if the dems would've had someone closer to center instead of far left this state would turn blue.

the dems took a guarenteed victory and turned it into a real election race.

but most of the people that I am around have in the past been die hard republicans too! and THEY Are furious with the current state of the part and are looking for alternatives!!! OMGWTFHTH!?!?

anecdotal evidence is fun!!

This isn't passing the sniff test...sorry.

Oh and btw- I wonder if BHO picks Kaine as his VEEP if that has any impact on VA going blue hmmmm?

for his sake i hope not. maybe you ought to look at his rating as gov in va. people are pretty upset over the transportation issues.

 

[StageLeft]

He isn't ideal but does have some benefits like complete control of the black vote instead of most-control.

He is pretty far left. He will jack up social spending in new and marvelous ways.

 

[fisheerman]

Originally posted by: fisheerman

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: fisheerman

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: fisheerman
I just don't understand how the dem party can be blowing this election with such a poor choice in candidate. I'm not politically affiliated and always vote for the best candidate.

People that I know (as well as I) want change from the current repub party but will never vote for such a left winger as obama.

I just can't believe with the current approval rating in the repubs and people looking for alternatives that this race is even close.

Know it looks like they are going to blow it again

new polls

People that I know (as well as I) want change from the current repub party and will vote for Obama because McCain will be 4 more years of GWB.

I guess my people cancel out your people

but most of the people that I am around have in the past been die hard republicans and are furious with the current state of the party and are looking for alternatives.

im in VA and I can tell you if the dems would've had someone closer to center instead of far left this state would turn blue.

the dems took a guarenteed victory and turned it into a real election race.

but most of the people that I am around have in the past been die hard republicans too! and THEY Are furious with the current state of the part and are looking for alternatives!!! OMGWTFHTH!?!?

anecdotal evidence is fun!!

This isn't passing the sniff test...sorry.

Oh and btw- I wonder if BHO picks Kaine as his VEEP if that has any impact on VA going blue hmmmm?

for his sake i hope not. maybe you ought to look at his rating as gov in va. people are pretty upset over the transportation issues. if it was mark warner people wouldve flooked to him but Kaine isn't on the same level.

I am actually hoping that warner will run for prez, vice one day as he is an excellent leader.
he is going to be a shoein for the senate so they didn't want to upset that

so how does that pass the sniff test.

 

[dardin211]

Obama is such left winger?

Is this a repeat of Kerry 04, when the talking heads labeled him the most liberal senator ever, despite the fact he was anything but this?

Obama comes off as a moderate. For him to be a left winger in my eyes, he would need to be more like a Dennis Kucinich.

 

[Genx87]

I'd expect the week after the Dem convention he will see a bump of about 5 points. Then McCain will see a bump. This is going to be a tight race all the way through unless something huge comes out.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: fisheerman

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: fisheerman
I just don't understand how the dem party can be blowing this election with such a poor choice in candidate. I'm not politically affiliated and always vote for the best candidate.

People that I know (as well as I) want change from the current repub party but will never vote for such a left winger as obama.

I just can't believe with the current approval rating in the repubs and people looking for alternatives that this race is even close.

Know it looks like they are going to blow it again

new polls

repost.

and if you think obama is a left winger then you'd never vote for a democrat so quit the apolitical bullshit talk. You want, what? a pro-life, pro-gun, anti-welfare, anti-big govt democrat? pray tell, who is this mythical beast?

actually i am as middle as they get.
i want to be left alone, keep as much of my hard earned money as possible, what two people do in there own time ( and with who) is there business and what a women wants to do with her body is her business.

so azzwad where does that put me in your class?

Well then you should be very happy with Obama.

He wants to cut your taxes far more then McCain does (assuming you are making $250,000 a year or less), he is far more against increased government surveillence then McCain is (although neither one are very good on the issue), and he thinks what a woman wants to do with her body is her own business.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: fisheerman

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: fisheerman
I just don't understand how the dem party can be blowing this election with such a poor choice in candidate. I'm not politically affiliated and always vote for the best candidate.

People that I know (as well as I) want change from the current repub party but will never vote for such a left winger as obama.

I just can't believe with the current approval rating in the repubs and people looking for alternatives that this race is even close.

Know it looks like they are going to blow it again

new polls

repost.

and if you think obama is a left winger then you'd never vote for a democrat so quit the apolitical bullshit talk. You want, what? a pro-life, pro-gun, anti-welfare, anti-big govt democrat? pray tell, who is this mythical beast?

actually i am as middle as they get.
i want to be left alone, keep as much of my hard earned money as possible, what two people do in there own time ( and with who) is there business and what a women wants to do with her body is her business.

so azzwad where does that put me in your class?

Democrats don't 'leave you alone', though they'll leave more in your pocket if you have less and take more from your pocket if you are worth more. They don't believe in small gov't or letting the market decide everything. They believe everyone is needed to help everyone else at least to some degree. No democrat could ever reach the nomination running on republican principles.

As eskimo asked, on what positions is Obama far left, or at least, left of the other possible dem noms? He was nearly identical to the runner up on every issue.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Polls now don't matter. The only poll that matters happens in November. I honestly don't know why either side is so focused on polls right now.

ZV

 

[Vic]

Well then it's a good thing that Obama is not 'far left extreme.'

And only one poll shows McCain up today. Other polls, like Gallup, show that Obama is still up in the race.

The minor bump McCain is getting right now is because he's a filthy mudslinger, has completely broken his promise to run a clean campaign, and is running attack ad after attack ad full of lies.
And his 'straight talk' consists of toeing the party line, most of which was written by the Bush, hence the 'McSame' or 'Bush 2.0' comments.

edit: and FFS, somebody get back to me when the Republicans will 'leave me alone.' I can't believe that kind of bullsh!t actually flies.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Polls now don't matter. The only poll that matters happens in November. I honestly don't know why either side is so focused on polls right now.

ZV

Negative campaigning Republicans are trying to instill FUD amongst the Democrats.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Polls now don't matter. The only poll that matters happens in November. I honestly don't know why either side is so focused on polls right now.

ZV

Negative campaigning Republicans are trying to instill FUD amongst the Democrats.

Is that your take on the OP?

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: fisheerman

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: fisheerman
I just don't understand how the dem party can be blowing this election with such a poor choice in candidate. I'm not politically affiliated and always vote for the best candidate.

People that I know (as well as I) want change from the current repub party but will never vote for such a left winger as obama.

I just can't believe with the current approval rating in the repubs and people looking for alternatives that this race is even close.

Know it looks like they are going to blow it again

new polls

repost.

and if you think obama is a left winger then you'd never vote for a democrat so quit the apolitical bullshit talk. You want, what? a pro-life, pro-gun, anti-welfare, anti-big govt democrat? pray tell, who is this mythical beast?

actually i am as middle as they get.
i want to be left alone, keep as much of my hard earned money as possible, what two people do in there own time ( and with who) is there business and what a women wants to do with her body is her business.

so azzwad where does that put me in your class?

Democrats don't 'leave you alone', though they'll leave more in your pocket if you have less and take more from your pocket if you are worth more. They don't believe in small gov't or letting the market decide everything. They believe everyone is needed to help everyone else at least to some degree. No democrat could ever reach the nomination running on republican principles.

As eskimo asked, on what positions is Obama far left, or at least, left of the other possible dem noms? He was nearly identical to the runner up on every issue.

NAFTA, welfare reform, and DADT. Oh, and the absurd policy that is affirmative action.

 

[nageov3t]

The minor bump McCain is getting right now is because he's a filthy mudslinger, has completely broken his promise to run a clean campaign, and is running attack ad after attack ad full of lies.

Obama's rolling out the exact same thing now, so I guess we should see his bump in the polls pretty soon.

really, I think polls this early are meaningless, and I'd hate to give Obamites an excuse to call him an underdog again. as someone who kinda sorta wants Obama to win, the only number I find remotely concerning is the generic D vs generic R numbers when compared to Obama himself vs McCain.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: loki8481

The minor bump McCain is getting right now is because he's a filthy mudslinger, has completely broken his promise to run a clean campaign, and is running attack ad after attack ad full of lies.

Obama's rolling out the exact same thing now, so I guess we should see his bump in the polls pretty soon.

really, I think polls this early are meaningless, and I'd hate to give Obamites an excuse to call him an underdog again.

Examples? I haven't seen any negative campaigning from Obama yet, but then again, my state's a done deal, so I don't see much of the 'on-the-street' campaigning from either side.

I agree that the polls are meaningless. Obama is up in most but McCain is up in one. And they all have huge margins of error with double-digit undecideds.
But the biggest errors in these polls IMO is that they don't take into account the cell phone and internet pictures.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Polls now don't matter. The only poll that matters happens in November. I honestly don't know why either side is so focused on polls right now.

ZV

Negative campaigning Republicans are trying to instill FUD amongst the Democrats.

Is that your take on the OP?

He did say 'polls' and the 'dems... blowwing another election' when it is only one national poll among several, and the elections are still more than 2 months away.
That does kinda sound like FUD, wouldn't you say?

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: loki8481

The minor bump McCain is getting right now is because he's a filthy mudslinger, has completely broken his promise to run a clean campaign, and is running attack ad after attack ad full of lies.

Obama's rolling out the exact same thing now, so I guess we should see his bump in the polls pretty soon.

really, I think polls this early are meaningless, and I'd hate to give Obamites an excuse to call him an underdog again.

Examples? I haven't seen any negative campaigning from Obama yet, but then again, my state's a done deal, so I don't see much of the 'on-the-street' campaigning from either side.

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