How can there even be any red states? I don't understand it.

[nakedfrog]

If you're talking about surgically altering children, I assume you're referring to gender transition specifically because we perform altering surgeries on kids all the time, from removing tonsils to appendices to wisdom teeth. We'll give new organs or artificial ones to kids dying from various conditions if they need it. We might remove a cancerous organ to save the child's life and prevent further spread.

Minors get cosmetic surgery too.

https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/teenagers-and-cosmetic-surgery/2005-03

In 2003, more than 223 000 cosmetic procedures were performed on patients 18 years of age or younger, and almost 39 000 were surgical procedures such as nose reshaping, breast lifts, breast augmentation, liposuction, and tummy tucks.

https://www.plasticsurgery.org/news/press-releases/american-society-of-plastic-surgeons-weighs-in-on-growing-popularity-of-teen-plastic-surgery

According to statistics from the American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS) about 229,000 cosmetic procedures were performed on patients aged 13 to 19 in 2017, though research by board-certified plastic surgeons Rod J. Rohrich, M.D. and Min-Jeong Cho, M.D. of the Dallas Plastic Surgery Institute found that very few guidelines are in place to ensure teen plastic surgeries are performed appropriately.

 

[Moonbeam]

It's just tribalism and anger. If you step back and take a look you'll note that most threads are basic "we're better than them", then pretend that the most egregious examples are the norm.
The idiots that can't respond civilly I put on ignore. The hard core righties at another place I visit do the exact same thing, it's all the same tribalism and anger, just has a different coat of paint.

I would give you a response similar to the one I gave fskimospy. I am not personally satisfied with ‘just tribalism’ as the final explanation for this kind of gang up behavior. Yes, I agree that we are tribalistic, that it is inherent, that we evolved that way with good reason, in the competition for resources to survive, the us against them mentality has survival value Tribes also practice behaviors that self identify, like scar markings, tatoos, styles of dress, etc. so I call this a conservative, fear of the other mentality, that has evolutionary value.

But what happens to a tribe that practices only this? It will lose genetic diversity and concentrate lethal alleles and go extinct if a more robust genetic populations are available to replace them. The ability to overcome fear or the other, a liberal characteristic, for the purpose of securing genetically different sources of mates, I suspect, insured there was always a mixture of conservative and liberal qualities in any human population. Too much or too little of one or the other is a survival risk.

So if both of these qualities are were a requirement in our paleolithic and more recent past, what is behind in-group meanness. I see it like this:

The evolution of human intelligence marked an evolution in predictive capacity and fine discrimination of differences. We need to know the difference between predator and prey, and we evolved a way to culturally transmit that knowledge verbally without having to learn everything ourselves through our own personal experience. We developed a capacity for abstract language and thinking in words. The gifts of thought and language and the intelligence of predictive imagination meant we could invent anything in our minds and scare ourselves to death with such imaging. Among the many imaginative non realities we invented was the notion of good and evil, the thing story of Adam and Eve warns us about.
Once that notion takes root as a real thing, the concept of duality, coupled with our capacity to feel pain, we can use words to make people experience pain, we can control others via verbal manipulation. In this way we created children who grew up hating the the thing they actually were but were also hated for being.

This, I believe, is what creates the divided self, derived from the experience of having experienced the agony of being seen as loathsome.

And it is this that we fear, to become consciously aware that we are as worthless as we were once made to feel. And because we were made to feel that way, it is also the source of our resentment and hate and the desire to punish others for the sake of revenge. It is this infection, the disease of self hate, that attaches itself to tribalism and turns it into a dangerous sickness.

We need the other to dump on and lacking a target for some reason we will invent one. Otherwise we will just use all the culturally prepared of the shelf ones passed down as bigoted cultural heritage.

So while liberals and conservatives both practice in-group meanness the fears that drive that are different. Conservative fear looks for targets to dump on. Liberal fear is that conservative behavior will lead to group extinction. The meanness the fear poroduces are the same but the causes are different in my opinion. Both forms of meanness are wrong but one fear is delusional and the other is real.

 

[APU_Fusion]

Just for the record children are not being “surgically altered” in the US. It’s bull shit propaganda.

Greenman is so full of shit it is hilarious. He talks about tribalism on here while spouting maga propaganda and lies all the time. He is total troll but his ignorant posts are amusing sometimes.

There is no cabal of liberal doctors doing gender surgeries on children. Tummy tucks or breast implants as nakedfrog listed anbout is not gender switching surgery. Even if there were isn’t it up to the parents Greenman or do you conveniently switch from parental rights to government rights when it suits you? That is complete bullshit and proof Greenman is a liar or dumb or willfully ignorant or some combination of all three. Notice he never answers questions that are simple.

Should Ten Commandments be allowed in public schools (forced by state) Greenman. Yes or no.. why are the red states who scream about spending the ones sucking on the federal tit. I posted link with statistics. How about answering that.

 

[APU_Fusion]

So if you and your wife get detained by the cops they can simply take your kids, preserving no records about where they got them or who they belong to, and disappear them into the apparatus of the state potentially never to be seen again? This is a fascinating perspective.

Greenman admits to being horrendous person. He gets off on kids in cages and kidnapped from their parents never to be reunited again. What a sick fuck.

 

[JD50]

"No puberty blockers until the age of 18" - This is why people gang up on you @Greenman, even you should be able to see the flaw in that statement. Of course it's been pointed out to you multiple times in the past, but that hasn't stopped you from repeating it.

You're aware that puberty blockers have been in used for literally decades for all sorts of medical conditions right? And yes that's all been in children, because suggesting that you start puberty blockers after someone has hit puberty is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

 

[JD50]

Just for the record children are not being “surgically altered” in the US. It’s bull shit propaganda.

He's been told this multiple times in the past

 

[JD50]

If you're talking about surgically altering children, I assume you're referring to gender transition specifically because we perform altering surgeries on kids all the time, from removing tonsils to appendices to wisdom teeth. We'll give new organs or artificial ones to kids dying from various conditions if they need it. We might remove a cancerous organ to save the child's life and prevent further spread.

So, in the context of gender transition, it isn't recommended at all by the AMA to perform permanent physical alteration on minors. Have there been *any* reports of doctors performing gender transition *surgery* on minors? But you'd know this if you actually bothered to read up on the topic instead of buying into conservative scare tactics.

Not to mention CIS kids have been given puberty blockers and hormones for all sorts of different reasons for decades, it's only become a problem when Doctors prescribe them to transgender kids.

To sum it up, hormones, puberty blockers, and surgically altering children are fine in Greenman's world as long as we're talking CIS kids. Is that right @Greenman? Or are you really suggesting that no one under the age of 18 should be prescribed hormones, puberty blockers, or any kind of surgery?

Edit - I didn't specify Gender Confirmation Surgery because that's not being done and no one is suggesting it should be. Trying to give Greenman the benefit of the doubt

 

[Greenman]

"No puberty blockers until the age of 18" - This is why people gang up on you @Greenman, even you should be able to see the flaw in that statement. Of course it's been pointed out to you multiple times in the past, but that hasn't stopped you from repeating it.

You're aware that puberty blockers have been in used for literally decades for all sorts of medical conditions right? And yes that's all been in children, because suggesting that you start puberty blockers after someone has hit puberty is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

Your right, that statement doesn't make sense at all. Lets change it to no puberty blockers.

 

[repoman0]

Your right, that statement doesn't make sense at all. Lets change it to no puberty blockers.

Why are you qualified to make that determination over parents, their children and their doctors? What happened to actual small government conservatives?

 

[JD50]

Your right, that statement doesn't make sense at all. Lets change it to no puberty blockers.

Why?

Get the Facts on Gender-Affirming Care

As attacks on the LGBTQ+ community continue to gain steam, it is important to get the facts about gender-affirming care.

www.hrc.org

What are puberty blockers? Why are they used? Are they safe?​

"Puberty blockers” (or simply “blockers”) are a type of medication which can temporarily pause puberty and are fully reversible.
For transgender and non-binary youth who are aware of their gender at a young age, going through puberty can cause intense distress and dysphoria, as it leads their body to develop into a gender that is not theirs —including in ways that are irreversible, or only reversible with surgery. For example, teenage transgender boys who do not have access to blockers will have to go through a puberty that includes growing breasts and later in life will require surgery.
In these instances, puberty blockers may be prescribed by doctors early in puberty, in consultation with the child, their parents and therapists, in order to temporarily stop the body from going through the unwanted physical and developmental changes of puberty. They are used to give youth time to continue exploring their gender identity before potentially moving on to more permanent transition-related care when they are older.
Puberty blockers are safe. They were approved by the FDA to treat precocious puberty in cisgender youth in 1993, citing minimal side effects and high efficacy; 30 years later, puberty blockers remain the gold standard treatment for precocious puberty in cisgender youth. All youth who are taking puberty blockers — cisgender or transgender — are monitored by their care team for any side effects or complications.
Puberty blockers are fully reversible. If a person stops taking puberty blockers, normal puberty will resume, with minimal long-term effects, if any. While there may be some loss of bone mineral density, this can be easily addressed with calcium and vitamin D supplements. Previous research has also shown that cisgender youth who take puberty blockers for precocious puberty have normal fertility and reproductive function.
Puberty blockers can also be life-saving: Previous studies have found that transgender and non-binary youth who are able to receive puberty blockers report positive psychosocial impacts, including increased well-being and decreased depression. Other recent studies have found that receipt of puberty blockers can dramatically reduce risk of suicidality — in some cases by over 70% — among transgender youth, compared to those who were unable to access desired treatment.

 

[JD50]

Why are you qualified to make that determination over parents, their children and their doctors? What happened to actual small government conservatives?

Transphobia is a hell of a drug. Let's say a 6 year old girl starts early puberty, growing breasts and starting her period. Now she can't be prescribed puberty blockers because of people like Greenman. But I'm sure some late 60s retiree knows more than medical professionals.

 

[brycejones]

He's been told this multiple times in the past

Yep

 

[APU_Fusion]

Notice Greenman ignores basic questions. He is laughable. Why do you get to override parents decisions for their lives Mr. Small government?

1. Should Ten Commandments and bible be forced curriculum for public schools?
2. Why do you find it acceptable to lock kids in cages, separate them from their family and then have no way to ever reunite them?
3. Are the majority of red states sucking from the federal tit with blue state dollars? Yes or no?
4. Has infant mortality gone up or down in those states that have made abortions illegal?

Come on Mr. Conservative. Answer fact based questions

 

[nakedfrog]

I think what y'all are forgetting is that wokies didn't invent trans people until the 1970s, and that it's just a mental disorder, it's no different than when his five year old son wanted to be a werewolf, and shouldn't be indulged. These people just need, IDK, some kind of mental treatment, not really sure, but certainly the medical establishment is on the wrong track by simply applying the most effective treatment available that's only backed by bogus data from other wokie doctors.

 

[Moonbeam]

You liberals here can’t understand that what Greenman believes about not getting involved with gender affirmation or whatever all this children gender thinking is all about, how he feels about it, represents a morally superior position than any of you hold.

Imagine if you held at the center of your moral code that there exist a divine order to everything, that there is a Truth with a capital T, that all that is could not be other than it should be, that human beings are fallen and arrogantly evil in their ways and that when they interfere with the Divine Order behind everything what they create is sin.

Can’t you see that your subjective truths can’t hold a candle to massively more idealistic vision? Well, of course you can’t see it because you already feel the real truth about you is that you are worthless and running him into the ground is vital to your arrogantly egotistical well being.

All the puss and sickness inside you oozes out like slime when you fuck with the Divine Plan, surrender to which is the one and only true path. Wake up you leprous fucks.

@Greenman Trust in God but tie your camel first. Consider that while those here full of toxic venom against you are only poisoning their own chances to act with dignity, and know nothing of the piece faith can bring, they none the less, in their empty meandering and aimless search for meaning have somehow without any gratitude or acknowledgment of the Divinity behind everything have actually discovered half-and-proximity-to-truthful-things which true believers may have failed to see. We have to give the Devil his due. How could God have created that which serves no purpose? Everything is attracted and influenced by the magnetism emanating from Source of All Being, no? It is said that only the camel knows the 99th name of Allah.

 

[iRONic]

Notice Greenman ignores basic questions. He is laughable. Why do you get to override parents decisions for their lives Mr. Small government?

1. Should Ten Commandments and bible be forced curriculum for public schools?
2. Why do you find it acceptable to lock kids in cages, separate them from their family and then have no way to ever reunite them?
3. Are the majority of red states sucking from the federal tit with blue state dollars? Yes or no?
4. Has infant mortality gone up or down in those states that have made abortions illegal?

Come on Mr. Conservative. Answer fact based questions

Shitlol

So many wasted words. That quote that says something like “When a person shows you who they are the first time believe them.”… by his own words this is all you need to know about Mr. Greenjeans:

“lt is a great system, and I consider myself lucky to have been born in this time and this place.”

 

[APU_Fusion]

Shitlol

So many wasted words. That quote that says something like “When a person shows you who they are the first time believe them.”… by his own words this is all you need to know about Mr. Greenjeans:

“lt is a great system, and I consider myself lucky to have been born in this time and this place.”

Shhh, I was on break at work and bored. I find it amusing to see if the magats can answer basic questions. We all know Greenman won’t. He likes children being locked in cages.

 

[Moonbeam]

Shhh, I was on break at work and bored. I find it amusing to see if the magats can answer basic questions. We all know Greenman won’t. He likes children being locked in cages.

Shhh, I was on break at work and bored. I find it amusing to see if the magats can answer basic questions. We all know Greenman won’t. He likes children being locked in cages.

While I do not support the put down attitude you took in that post, I found your questions to be on the money and insightful and am very happy you put in the effort to express them so cogently. I would wish you not model your behavior on those who feign emotional indifference as if it were some sort of virtue. It's just an other way of numbing oneself to pain. People who care can get hurt. They can also experience the joys of radiating compassion for others. What else is there?

 

[akugami]

You liberals here can’t understand that what Greenman believes about not getting involved with gender affirmation or whatever all this children gender thinking is all about, how he feels about it, represents a morally superior position than any of you hold.

Imagine if you held at the center of your moral code that there exist a divine order to everything, that there is a Truth with a capital T, that all that is could not be other than it should be, that human beings are fallen and arrogantly evil in their ways and that when they interfere with the Divine Order behind everything what they create is sin.

Can’t you see that your subjective truths can’t hold a candle to massively more idealistic vision? Well, of course you can’t see it because you already feel the real truth about you is that you are worthless and running him into the ground is vital to your arrogantly egotistical well being.

All the puss and sickness inside you oozes out like slime when you fuck with the Divine Plan, surrender to which is the one and only true path. Wake up you leprous fucks.

@Greenman Trust in God but tie your camel first. Consider that while those here full of toxic venom against you are only poisoning their own chances to act with dignity, and know nothing of the piece faith can bring, they none the less, in their empty meandering and aimless search for meaning have somehow without any gratitude or acknowledgment of the Divinity behind everything have actually discovered half-and-proximity-to-truthful-things which true believers may have failed to see. We have to give the Devil his due. How could God have created that which serves no purpose? Everything is attracted and influenced by the magnetism emanating from Source of All Being, no? It is said that only the camel knows the 99th name of Allah.

Liberals aren't ganging up on Greenman, contrary to your false belief. They're asking Greenman to defend his lies, bigoted remarks, and morally corrupt views. Anyone who defends such views is morally corrupt as well.

Greenman posts lies and bigoted remarks, then runs away away and hides when asked to clarify or defend his lies and hate. He doesn't have the balls to back up his own words. That's a true wuss right there. If you are not man enough to back up your own words, you're a coward. It's clear as day that zero ganging up is happening. So as soon as Greenman either 1) shuts up, or 2) backs up his words, then people will stop "ganging up on him".


Now let's get to you Moonbeam. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but it's more and more clear you are one crazy mortally corrupt mental case. If you could actually understand logic, you'd see that. So rather than spew your bullshit psychiatric analysis of other people.

You are so full of shit with your psycho-analyzation of other people. And the last time I turned the tables on you and did this, you went on a hissy fit. You can dish it out, but can't take it. Typical conservative. Contrary to what you believe, you are not more moral than other participants of this forum. I know I am morally superior to you. Do you know why? Because I don't need to constantly tell others how wrong they are, or how immoral they are. Your constant need to demean others shows you are morally corrupt. That's not moral superiority. That's a moral inferiority complex.

Calling out bigotry, such as that spewed by Greenman, is not immoral. It is the actions of people who let such bigotry flourish that is immoral. I try to treat everyone with respect. That does not mean I will agree with everyone. I may have a difference of opinion. Which is fine, and unlike Greenman, I try to defend my statements and opinions. And yes, there has been times I lose an argument, and admit I am wrong. Unlike Greenman who runs away like a wuss.

As for religion, your religion is not my religion. Who the hell are you to tell me my religion is fake? Who the hell are you to shove your religion down my throat? In my religion, there is no god. The Constitution affords me that right. If you and all the conservative fucktards bothered to actually read and follow the Constitution of the United States, we'd be in a better place. The First Amendment to the Constitution is Freedom Of Religion. If you can't follow the Constitution of the US, which are the supreme laws of the land, then fuck you, fuck the high horse you rode in on, and fuck your holier than thou religion.

Apologies to those who believe in western religions such as Catholicism, Christianity, and Islam, and not try to shove it down everyone's throats. There are many of you out there. I've worked with some wonderful people who are deeply religious, but feel no need to ram it down other people's throats.

 

[Moonbeam]

Liberals aren't ganging up on Greenman, contrary to your false belief. They're asking Greenman to defend his lies, bigoted remarks, and morally corrupt views. Anyone who defends such views is morally corrupt as well.

Well perhaps we have differing notions as to what ganging up means. They may be trying to tell him the things you say but except for fskimospy, more or less, they are also remarking on what a piece of shit they claim he is. And it seems you are trying to throw me under that same bus referring to those echo his assumptions of what the moral good is. Why on earth do you believe I agree with this latest go around on this views on the gender identity thingi. You seem to me to be all riled up and talking nonsense as a result.

Greenman posts lies and bigoted remarks, then runs away away and hides when asked to clarify or defend his lies and hate. He doesn't have the balls to back up his own words. That's a true wuss right there. If you are not man enough to back up your own words, you're a coward. It's clear as day that zero ganging up is happening. So as soon as Greenman either 1) shuts up, or 2) backs up his words, then people will stop "ganging up on him".

Rubbish. He has been pigeon-holed by many liberals who will turn anything he says into some anti-conservative epithet. What’s that liberal phenomenon sweeping liberal college campuses where evil conservatives are shouted down and not allowed to speak? Heckler’s veto? Anyway, talk about being a cowards. And how is he supposed to argue morality with people who I’m pretty sure he he knows have no idea what it is? Think!

Now let's get to you Moonbeam. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but it's more and more clear you are one crazy mortally corrupt mental case. If you could actually understand logic, you'd see that. So rather than spew your bullshit psychiatric analysis of other people.

You are so full of shit with your psycho-analyzation of other people. And the last time I turned the tables on you and did this, you went on a hissy fit. You can dish it out, but can't take it. Typical conservative. Contrary to what you believe, you are not more moral than other participants of this forum. I know I am morally superior to you. Do you know why? Because I don't need to constantly tell others how wrong they are, or how immoral they are. Your constant need to demean others shows you are morally corrupt. That's not moral superiority. That's a moral inferiority complex.

When it comes to bullies I occasionally get tempted to hold up a mirror. I am aware this is the result of the fact that I despise the fact that I can bully too. This is called projecting the shadow side. Glad you got all that off your chest.

Calling out bigotry, such as that spewed by Greenman, is not immoral. It is the actions of people who let such bigotry flourish that is immoral. I try to treat everyone with respect. That does not mean I will agree with everyone. I may have a difference of opinion. Which is fine, and unlike Greenman, I try to defend my statements and opinions. And yes, there has been times I lose an argument, and admit I am wrong. Unlike Greenman who runs away like a wuss.

Again, I have no problem with people claiming somebody has a biased view. It’s all the hate they put into the effort that warrants attention in my opinion.

As for religion, your religion is not my religion. Who the hell are you to tell me my religion is fake? Who the hell are you to shove your religion down my throat? In my religion, there is no god. The Constitution affords me that right. If you and all the conservative fucktards bothered to actually read and follow the Constitution of the United States, we'd be in a better place. The First Amendment to the Constitution is Freedom Of Religion. If you can't follow the Constitution of the US, which are the supreme laws of the land, then fuck you, fuck the high horse you rode in on, and fuck your holier
than thou religion.

Ah, me. I am sorry you don’t get it. There are no words that can describe the path that lead to the ending of search for truth but it was more thanks to the shock I experienced in resding about Zen. I could not find truth via a religious path, though many more go thst way than absent any faith. I was talking about believers who believe but believe that what they believe is truth via unexamined assumptions, the ones I believed in before I began to question and doubt the truth of everything I had been taught.

Apologies to those who believe in western religions such as Catholicism, Christianity, and Islam, and not try to shove it down everyone's throats. There are many of you out there. I've worked with some wonderful people who are deeply religious, but feel no need to ram it down other people's throats.

One Zen Master said, if you haven’t a stick I will give you one and if you have I’ll take it away. Another replied, if you have a stick I will give you one and if you havent I’ll take it away.

 

[darkswordsman17]

He's been told this multiple times in the past

Right, and yet here you all are, once again wasting your time. We are fucked as a country as you people are turning into bigger clowns than they are, wasting your own time that could be used to do something actually useful to stop these assholes. Seriously, how many of you have written your representatives and told them you care about this issue? By that I mean trans rights. Instead of letting dipshits on forums slap their dicks across your faces constantly, why not at least waste your time on someone that has actual power to do something about it? Write any and all of these asshole politicians pushing this shit. Clog up their resources and outnumber the hatefilled assholes telling them to ban transgender people.

I think what y'all are forgetting is that wokies didn't invent trans people until the 1970s, and that it's just a mental disorder, it's no different than when his five year old son wanted to be a werewolf, and shouldn't be indulged. These people just need, IDK, some kind of mental treatment, not really sure, but certainly the medical establishment is on the wrong track by simply applying the most effective treatment available that's only backed by bogus data from other wokie doctors.

I think its simply the usual Boomer shit. He's mad he didn't get to be a real man so he'll be damned if any women will show him up by getting to transition. That and I think he's deeply afraid that the girls he pervs on will whip out a dick bigger than his.

 

[Moonbeam]

Right, and yet here you all are, once again wasting your time. We are fucked as a country as you people are turning into bigger clowns than they are, wasting your own time that could be used to do something actually useful to stop these assholes. Seriously, how many of you have written your representatives and told them you care about this issue? By that I mean trans rights. Instead of letting dipshits on forums slap their dicks across your faces constantly, why not at least waste your time on someone that has actual power to do something about it? Write any and all of these asshole politicians pushing this shit. Clog up their resources and outnumber the hatefilled assholes telling them to ban transgender people.



I think its simply the usual Boomer shit. He's mad he didn't get to be a real man so he'll be damned if any women will show him up by getting to transition. That and I think he's deeply afraid that the girls he pervs on will whip out a dick bigger than his.

In another thread in this forum there is a video by Christopher Hitchens:

I mention it because he seemed to think highly of the commandment not to bear false witness, accusing people maliciously of things without factual evidence. Have you reported Greenman as a known sexual deviant to the police? Shouldn't you if you know he makes moves on underage girls. If not maybe ask yourself what kind of person says such things.

 

[akugami]

@Moonbeam I've said what I've said and I stand by them.

You didn't address the FACT that Greenman lies. You tried to play word games. If the FACTS were on his side, or your side, you wouldn't need to do this.

You're a morally corrupt individual, which I already addressed in the previous post. You're wrong that everyone does not get you. You're that guy on the Internet who thinks he's better than everyone else. These kinds of people usually are the ones still living in their parent's basement at 60 years old.

You know nothing about zen. Your very attitude is the opposite of zen. Your constant need to judge others in relation to yourself is the antithesis of zen teachings.

I am not going to get into an extended conversation with you, because that is a failed venture as those who are of closed mind cannot be enlightened.

 

[Moonbeam]

@Moonbeam I've said what I've said and I stand by them.

You didn't address the FACT that Greenman lies. You tried to play word games. If the FACTS were on his side, or your side, you wouldn't need to do this.

You're a morally corrupt individual, which I already addressed in the previous post. You're wrong that everyone does not get you. You're that guy on the Internet who thinks he's better than everyone else. These kinds of people usually are the ones still living in their parent's basement at 60 years old.

You know nothing about zen. Your very attitude is the opposite of zen. Your constant need to judge others in relation to yourself is the antithesis of zen teachings.

I am not going to get into an extended conversation with you, because that is a failed venture as those who are of closed mind cannot be enlightened.

I accept your terms. I will not try to get into an extended conversation with you since it seem clear that you fear any effort put in on your part would fall on deaf ears. It is definitely nonsensical to try to pour tea into a full tea cup. You can read my decades old sig on that. I will, however, state to others that might be reading this that I think it is hypocritical of you to flat out state that Greenman is a liar. If I am wrong please tell me your secret knowledge, secret at least to me, how you can differentiate between a liar and a person stating a belief they have that could be is wrong.

 

[Greenman]

Why?

Get the Facts on Gender-Affirming Care

As attacks on the LGBTQ+ community continue to gain steam, it is important to get the facts about gender-affirming care.

www.hrc.org

NHS England to stop prescribing puberty blockers

It comes after a review found there was "not enough evidence" the drugs are safe or effective.

www.bbc.com