Ah yes those wonderful wealthy red states contributing so much.Of course my apology wasn't sincere, you decided to be offended to avoid answering a simple question. I'll go ahead and answer it for you. No, you're not willing to give up the tax advantage you absolutely do have to make the system more "fair". So while you're contemptuous of all the horrible things those red states do, when it's your state, it's a dollar deep.
As it happens, I moved to a state where the property tax system is fair, and every single home owner has access to the same breaks. I gave up my advantage, what's your excuse?
I do wish conservatives would grapple with the idea that their preferred areas are utterly dependent on the places they despise.Ah yes those wonderful wealthy red states contributing so much.
Red State sure love to suck on the federal tit
This appeal to everybody knows is very characteristic of Trump and, in my opinion, entirely unnecessary. In my opinion also almost nobody knows the truth you speak here. And the reason I believe we can’t admit uncomfortable truths is because we were all subjected to merciless shamming as children.I still find it funny that @Greenman is posting here but claims he has no time to figure out what, if any evidence he would accept related to if Trump wants to hurt people.
Of course we all know the reason he says this is that it would make him admit uncomfortable things.
What conservative has the humility to see that? It’s not like ignorance for all the world, compared to the turmoil on moral uncertainty in the form of serious introspection, doesn’t look like bliss.I do wish conservatives would grapple with the idea that their preferred areas are utterly dependent on the places they despise.
I wouldn’t try to figure out where the desire to avoid admitting fault came from other than it seems to be innate. I mean I don’t like admitting I’m wrong - who does?This appeal to everybody knows is very characteristic of Trump and, in my opinion, entirely unnecessary. In my opinion also almost nobody knows the truth you speak here. And the reason I believe we can’t admit uncomfortable truths is because we were all subjected to merciless shamming as children.
I believe that in order to overcome the desire to run from the truth we need to practice self love and humility is a part of that. The question I have is when does the need to feel humility arise from being humiliated from the outside as opposed to that awareness arising from within. I do not know the answer. I do not know when someone will profit from a mirror held up and when the image they see will simply strengthen their defenses. I do believe, howler, that the greater one’s capacity to see other’s weaknesses the greater the capacity to make people hurt, or more accurately, to make them more aware of the hurt that is already there.
The hero who can slay the hydra needs not only a mirror polished shield but also a sword.
Do you believe that conservatives understand moral issues better than liberals owing to the fact they have a rather wider range of moral concerns and that they understand liberal issues better than liberals understand those of conservatives because liberals do not have them?
Too late for that. My Mom told me to be honest and I did so mercilessly and without regard to cost. Once your inner need for lasting and bullet proof meaning reaches intolerable levels of despair owing to the garbage of lies you were fed, there is no turning back.I wouldn’t try to figure out where the desire to avoid admitting fault came from other than it seems to be innate. I mean I don’t like admitting I’m wrong - who does?
I think that people are people and there’s nothing inherent about liberals or conservatives that make them better at this, as everyone can believe convenient lies.
What I do think is that our current moment requires conservatives to believe more lies to maintain their social standing, which has caused people to humiliate themselves in the service of their sports team.
At least on the abortion issue one side is clearly right and the other driven nuts by a book whose authority is self proclaimed. Both pro and anti gun nuts are crazy. You could have ten times the number of guns we do have in this country presently, and, if everyone were not deeply mentally I’ll we wouldn’t see blip for the number of gun deaths. They would be few and far between.Honestly I think some people just have one issue that is their personal pet issue (abortion, guns, etc etc) and they'll ride and die with anyone who supports it. These people tend to be conservatives. It's a silly way to vote but its also silly we have our government structured in such a way (you have to pick one person to represent you on everything from abortion to nuclear power to space travel and what we'll do when aliens finally arrive). I've met pro abortion crazy people and they are nowhere near as zealous as the pro gun crazy people.
Did not read beyond the first dozen words. You are a troll, motherfucker.Of course my apology wasn't sincere, you decided to be offended to avoid answering a simple question. I'll go ahead and answer it for you. No, you're not willing to give up the tax advantage you absolutely do have to make the system more "fair". So while you're contemptuous of all the horrible things those red states do, when it's your state, it's a dollar deep.
As it happens, I moved to a state where the property tax system is fair, and every single home owner has access to the same breaks. I gave up my advantage, what's your excuse?
It's just tribalism and anger. If you step back and take a look you'll note that most threads are basic "we're better than them", then pretend that the most egregious examples are the norm.Every time I see these herd gang ups on Greenman I feel like I’m on a grade school playground watching a pack of bullies. Didn’t any of you hear Uncle Remus tell the story of Br’er Rabbit and the Tar Baby.
Why so angry? Did I make you uncomfortable? And why does a simple exchange have to end in some variation of "fuck you"?Did not read beyond the first dozen words. You are a troll, motherfucker.
So let's assume there's a 'middle ground' of mutual respect, and where everyone essentially leaves each other alone to live their life without interference.It's just tribalism and anger. If you step back and take a look you'll note that most threads are basic "we're better than them", then pretend that the most egregious examples are the norm.
The idiots that can't respond civilly I put on ignore. The hard core righties at another place I visit do the exact same thing, it's all the same tribalism and anger, just has a different coat of paint.
The opposite of those things is self explanatory. That said, you've clearly misunderstood what I said. My description was of attitudes, reactions, and examples, not a vs b comparisons of specific issues. I'm talking about the players, not the game.So let's assume there's a 'middle ground' of mutual respect, and where everyone essentially leaves each other alone to live their life without interference.
What's the 'opposite' of 'remove bodily autonomy' and 'put children in cages'? I want you to define your particular flavor or bothsides.
So am I. One of the players is taking away bodily autonomy and putting children in cages. You said it's all the same tribalism and anger with different coats of paint, so what's the self-explanatory opposite of the above that the 'other tribe' is doing to make them equivalent?The opposite of those things is self explanatory. That said, you've clearly misunderstood what I said. My description was of attitudes, reactions, and examples, not a vs b comparisons of specific issues. I'm talking about the players, not the game.
I do wish conservatives would grapple with the idea that their preferred areas are utterly dependent on the places they despise.
I mean one side also recently attempted a coup, which seems bad.So am I. One of the players is taking away bodily autonomy and putting children in cages. You said it's all the same tribalism and anger with different coats of paint, so what's the self-explanatory opposite of the above that the 'other tribe' is doing to make them equivalent?
It’s weird how suburban and rural residents genuinely believe they support the cities and not the other way around. If you try and tell them otherwise in my experience they will often refuse to believe you.Growing up in central IL I always heard that everything would be great if we could get rid of Chicago. Never mind that we'd suddenly become the brokest state in the entire nation if they got their wish.
MFers growing corn/soy for ethanol and feed think they are the money dynamo lol.
When you say "bodily autonomy" are you talking about abortion, surgically altering children, or adults changing their gender?So am I. One of the players is taking away bodily autonomy and putting children in cages. You said it's all the same tribalism and anger with different coats of paint, so what's the self-explanatory opposite of the above that the 'other tribe' is doing to make them equivalent?
a) all of the aboveWhen you say "bodily autonomy" are you talking about abortion, surgically altering children, or adults changing their gender?
I'll need an explanation of "putting children in cages" as well. Are we discussing poor parents using a kennel to control their kids, minors that have committed a criminal act, or children orphaned?
If you're talking about surgically altering children, I assume you're referring to gender transition specifically because we perform altering surgeries on kids all the time, from removing tonsils to appendices to wisdom teeth. We'll give new organs or artificial ones to kids dying from various conditions if they need it. We might remove a cancerous organ to save the child's life and prevent further spread.When you say "bodily autonomy" are you talking about abortion, surgically altering children, or adults changing their gender?
I'll need an explanation of "putting children in cages" as well. Are we discussing poor parents using a kennel to control their kids, minors that have committed a criminal act, or children orphaned?
While I don't believe this is germane to the discussion, I'll go ahead and answer. Bodily autonomy for adults should be a given, though I understand why some people believe abortion is murder. Personally, I've never been able to come up with a position I can feel good about. For children it's much simpler, leave them alone until they're 18. No puberty blockers, no surgery, no hormones.a) all of the above
b) Trump era migrant policy
Just for the record children are not being “surgically altered” in the US. It’s bull shit propaganda.When you say "bodily autonomy" are you talking about abortion, surgically altering children, or adults changing their gender?
I'll need an explanation of "putting children in cages" as well. Are we discussing poor parents using a kennel to control their kids, minors that have committed a criminal act, or children orphaned?
Alright so let's go with the one you actually committed an answer to. What's a thing the 'other side' is doing that's equivalent to removing abortion rights for women?While I don't believe this is germane to the discussion, I'll go ahead and answer. Bodily autonomy for adults should be a given, though I understand why some people believe abortion is murder. Personally, I've never been able to come up with a position I can feel good about. For children it's much simpler, leave them alone until they're 18. No puberty blockers, no surgery, no hormones.
Trump's policy on detaining illegal immigrants wasn't well thought out or well implemented, but it was consistent with U.S. law and the same thing would happen to any other kids if both parents were arrested, the kids become a ward of the state, and have to be housed until the parents are released from custody. While that part of it was poorly handled, the system was overloaded. As far as I know, the U.S. is the only first world nation that turns a blind eye to mass illegal immigration.
Trump's policy on detaining illegal immigrants wasn't well thought out or well implemented, but it was consistent with U.S. law and the same thing would happen to any other kids if both parents were arrested, the kids become a ward of the state, and have to be housed until the parents are released from custody.