How can you be a Catholic and vote Democrat?

Medellon

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I live in El Paso, Tx. which is 80% Hispanic and probably 80% Catholic though I am unsure about the second claim(it certainly is much more than 50%). Any of you who have lived a majority of your life in the Hispanic community know how religious they claim to be with the pictures of the Virgin Mary painted on walls or tattooed on backs, etc.; the shrines that they set up in their houses with candles and pictures of saints and the many religious medallions they carry.

Catholic doctrine is very strongly opposed to abortion and it is one of the greatest sins and tragedies of humanity. Of course it is a fact that most democrats are for abortion (you can spin it anyway you like, pro-choice, woman's right to choose, health of the mother, etc. but it all boils down to being pro-abortion) and most republicans against. My question is how can you claim to be so religious and pray everyday yet support and vote for a democratric candidate who supports abortion which goes against Catholic teachings? I ask my many Hispanic friends why they (the Hispanic community) as a whole overwhemingly vote democratic yet claim to be so religious and they have no answer. Maybe someone can enlighten me.
 

shadowninja

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I'm a bit confused by your topic summary. Religion or money? What does voting Democrat have to do with money?
 

MonkeyK

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Do your Hispanic friends really have no answer? Or just no answer that you like?
 

assemblage

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: TranceNation


probably the same way you can be a catholic priest and rape little boys...

:thumbsup: touché

I don't get it. Are you saying Catholics who vote Democrat are just like preists who rape little boys?

 

OrByte

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because Catholics are hypocritical...

...or haven't you noticed?
 

kylebisme

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John Kerry has never supported abortion and he is also a Catholic, you just seem to be confused. Also your staticstics seem off to me, at least back in '93 when I lived in El Paso, probably 80% Crhistains were Catholic but the majority of the people I knew though Austin High were not really involved with religion at all.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: assemblage
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: TranceNation
probably the same way you can be a catholic priest and rape little boys...
:thumbsup: touché
I don't get it. Are you saying Catholics who vote Democrat are just like preists who rape little boys?
Umm.. no. I'm saying that hypocrisy knows no bounds. You can 'claim" to be Catholic and still support or engage in un-Catholic-like ideas like abortion and child molestation. Religion is often (not always) a crutch for the weak or a trophy for the proud.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: assemblage
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: TranceNation
probably the same way you can be a catholic priest and rape little boys...
:thumbsup: touché
I don't get it. Are you saying Catholics who vote Democrat are just like preists who rape little boys?
Umm.. no. I'm saying that hypocrisy knows no bounds. You can 'claim" to be Catholic and still support or engage in un-Catholic-like ideas like abortion and child molestation. Religion is often (not always) a crutch for the weak or a trophy for the proud.

Doesn't the Whore of Babylon aka the Catholic Church also state that birth control is a sin?
 

Medellon

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I thought I would receive a few intelligent answers in this forum. It seems to be dominated by hedonistic atheists.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Medellon
I thought I would receive a few intelligent answers in this forum. It seems to be dominated by hedonistic atheists.
You say "hedonistic atheists" as if it were a bad thing

 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: Medellon
I thought I would receive a few intelligent answers in this forum. It seems to be dominated by hedonistic atheists.
I don't know enough about hedonism, but one out of two ain't bad. :wine: :music:
 

dullard

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Very easilly. I know many democrats who are anti-abortion. Do the same if you wish. Being democrat does NOT mean you are pro choice.

As it is, Republicans aren't ending abortions. So voting for a canidate that won't actually do anything doesn't help your cause. Many people vote solely on the abortion issue as it is very important to them. But if your canidate won't put a stop to abortions, and won't even have a litmus test to say he will appoint a judge that will end abortions, then is your sole choice going to do you any good?

Recent legal yearly abortion numbers are interesting:
[*]1983-1990 total number of abortions increases every year (Reagan and Bush Sr in office). Total number of abortions peaked in late 1990 to early 1991.
[*]From 1991-2000 total number of abortions decreases every year (end of Bush Sr and all of Clinton era).
[*]Year 2001 and on there has been no data reported.

I'm not saying there is a direct link. But indirectly I can see how the Clinton presidency helped reduce number of abortions. Programs to educate on contraceptives were in place in addition to abstenence education (both is more effective than just focussing on one), attitudes towards helping the poor single mothers were positive (welfare etc), family planning was encouraged (money to family planning clinics often goes towards encouraging pregnant mothers to keep the child), etc. No the president doesn't force or stop any specific abortion. But if you are poor and desperate, a democratic president may make you feel more secure in keeping the child.
 

CycloWizard

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Originally posted by: TranceNation
probably the same way you can be a catholic priest and rape little boys...
This is the second time and this kind of bigotry clearly deserves a ban. This is the first time and hopefully the only I will ask for someone to be banned. Hopefully someone will listen.
 

Pliablemoose

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: assemblage
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: TranceNation
probably the same way you can be a catholic priest and rape little boys...
:thumbsup: touché
I don't get it. Are you saying Catholics who vote Democrat are just like preists who rape little boys?
Umm.. no. I'm saying that hypocrisy knows no bounds. You can 'claim" to be Catholic and still support or engage in un-Catholic-like ideas like abortion and child molestation. Religion is often (not always) a crutch for the weak or a trophy for the proud.

Doesn't the Whore of Babylon aka the Catholic Church also state that birth control is a sin?


Asked the same question once in school, the rhythm method is the only approved method of birth control, so yes they do have birth control, it does lead to more Catholics eventually though
 

kylebisme

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John Kerry has never supported abortion, so the entier foundation of your of your argument is off base; you are going to have to show a little intelligence yourself if you want an intelligent answers back.
 

Todd33

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Why are they against abortion? Something about killing maybe?

How can you be Catholic and support war? Didn't the pope come out against the war in Iraq? How can you support capitol punishment?

Ya, pick and choose what parts of the Bible you want to follow based on the political wind. They can justify anything that their religious leader want to sell them. The politicians using faith to control your voting is sad, too bad none of the sheep see it.
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: Todd33
How can you support capitol punishment?
Much of the bible is in support of capitol punishment. There is nothing contradictory there.
 
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