How can you be a Catholic and vote Democrat?

[Medellon]

What are you talking about!? John Kerry supports a woman's right to choose, i.e. ABORTION. Go check his website.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: TranceNation
probably the same way you can be a catholic priest and rape little boys...

This is the second time and this kind of bigotry clearly deserves a ban. This is the first time and hopefully the only I will ask for someone to be banned. Hopefully someone will listen.

Hmmm..like it never happens..a lot?

 

[SViscusi]

Originally posted by: Medellon
I live in El Paso, Tx. which is 80% Hispanic and probably 80% Catholic though I am unsure about the second claim(it certainly is much more than 50%). Any of you who have lived a majority of your life in the Hispanic community know how religious they claim to be with the pictures of the Virgin Mary painted on walls or tattooed on backs, etc.; the shrines that they set up in their houses with candles and pictures of saints and the many religious medallions they carry.

Catholic doctrine is very strongly opposed to abortion and it is one of the greatest sins and tragedies of humanity. Of course it is a fact that most democrats are for abortion (you can spin it anyway you like, pro-choice, woman's right to choose, health of the mother, etc. but it all boils down to being pro-abortion) and most republicans against. My question is how can you claim to be so religious and pray everyday yet support and vote for a democratric candidate who supports abortion which goes against Catholic teachings? I ask my many Hispanic friends why they (the Hispanic community) as a whole overwhemingly vote democratic yet claim to be so religious and they have no answer. Maybe someone can enlighten me.

You show a basic lack of knowledge of both Catholicism and Christianity in general. A sis is a sin. In the eyes of god there is no difference between abortion and having impure thoughts. Using your logic Catholics would never be able to support any candidate because they're all sinners and support sin in some way. Luckily most Catholics aren't one issue voters and don't believe in legislating their own morality.

To a answer you question how can a Catholic vote for a pro-choice candidate, easy, we look at the totality of the candidate rather than that one position. And if we feel guilty afterwards we can just go confess.

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: TranceNation
probably the same way you can be a catholic priest and rape little boys...

This is the second time and this kind of bigotry clearly deserves a ban. This is the first time and hopefully the only I will ask for someone to be banned. Hopefully someone will listen.

Are denying that it happened?

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
John Kerry has never supported abortion, so the entier foundation of your of your argument is off base; you are going to have to show a little intelligence yourself if you want an intelligent answers back.

Yeah, he supports the woman's right to choose, not abortion...

Talk about splitting hairs:disgust:

 

[Medellon]

I'm not against abortion because I'm catholic, I'm against it because it's just plain wrong.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Medellon
I thought I would receive a few intelligent answers in this forum. It seems to be dominated by hedonistic atheists.

What kind of answer are you looking for? There are several religious people on this board (I'm a Christian myself.) Or are you only looking for people who agree with your opinions and are therefore 'intelligent?'

 

[Medellon]

Originally posted by: SViscusi

Originally posted by: Medellon
I live in El Paso, Tx. which is 80% Hispanic and probably 80% Catholic though I am unsure about the second claim(it certainly is much more than 50%). Any of you who have lived a majority of your life in the Hispanic community know how religious they claim to be with the pictures of the Virgin Mary painted on walls or tattooed on backs, etc.; the shrines that they set up in their houses with candles and pictures of saints and the many religious medallions they carry.

Catholic doctrine is very strongly opposed to abortion and it is one of the greatest sins and tragedies of humanity. Of course it is a fact that most democrats are for abortion (you can spin it anyway you like, pro-choice, woman's right to choose, health of the mother, etc. but it all boils down to being pro-abortion) and most republicans against. My question is how can you claim to be so religious and pray everyday yet support and vote for a democratric candidate who supports abortion which goes against Catholic teachings? I ask my many Hispanic friends why they (the Hispanic community) as a whole overwhemingly vote democratic yet claim to be so religious and they have no answer. Maybe someone can enlighten me.

You show a basic lack of knowledge of both Catholicism and Christianity in general. A sis is a sin. In the eyes of god there is no difference between abortion and having impure thoughts. Using your logic Catholics would never be able to support any candidate because they're all sinners and support sin in some way. Luckily most Catholics aren't one issue voters and don't believe in legislating their own morality.

To a answer you question how can a Catholic vote for a pro-choice candidate, easy, we look at the totality of the candidate rather than that one position. And if we feel guilty afterwards we can just go confess.

Are you yourself a Catholic? If so I suggest you brush up on your Catholic teachings.

 

[drpootums]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
John Kerry has never supported abortion and he is also a Catholic, you just seem to be confused. Also your staticstics seem off to me, at least back in '93 when I lived in El Paso, probably 80% Crhistains were Catholic but the majority of the people I knew though Austin High were not really involved with religion at all.

So in the debate when he practically said it was the womens choice says he's against it?

The bible isnt antiwar, and pope isnt God. I'm a lutheran, so maybe it's a bit different for me, but the only human on earth that was god was Jesus, not the pope.


"My prayer is that all of them may be one, Father, just as You are in Me
and I in You. May they also be in Us so that the world may believe that
You have sent Me." - John 17:20-21, spoken by Jesus

 

[classy]

How can you be Catholic and support a church doctrine that has allowed their preists to rape little boys for decades? For anyone to throw out morality and catholic in the same sentence to condemn someone else is a joke. A flat out joke.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: TranceNation
probably the same way you can be a catholic priest and rape little boys...

This is the second time and this kind of bigotry clearly deserves a ban. This is the first time and hopefully the only I will ask for someone to be banned. Hopefully someone will listen.

Are denying that it happened?

shh, don't upset the little catholics..

btw- we all need to go to confession! Medellon lead the way!

 

[Abraxas]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
John Kerry has never supported abortion, so the entier foundation of your of your argument is off base; you are going to have to show a little intelligence yourself if you want an intelligent answers back.

Yeah, he supports the woman's right to choose, not abortion...

Talk about splitting hairs:disgust:

I disagree. One can find abortion morally horrific but still believe it is not his right to impose his moral standards on anyone else.

 

[Harvey]

Ah yes, the Catholic church -- The same fine institution that brought you the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades and imprisoned Galileo for heresy for stating that the Earth revolves around the Sun.

A fine source of inspration and intelligence they are. :roll:

 

[Medellon]

Originally posted by: Abraxas

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
John Kerry has never supported abortion, so the entier foundation of your of your argument is off base; you are going to have to show a little intelligence yourself if you want an intelligent answers back.

Yeah, he supports the woman's right to choose, not abortion...

Talk about splitting hairs:disgust:

I disagree. One can find abortion morally horrific but still believe it is not his right to impose his moral standards on anyone else.

So whose standards do we impose? How about a majority? WTF is he doing running for president then?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Abraxas

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
John Kerry has never supported abortion, so the entier foundation of your of your argument is off base; you are going to have to show a little intelligence yourself if you want an intelligent answers back.

Yeah, he supports the woman's right to choose, not abortion...

Talk about splitting hairs:disgust:

I disagree. One can find abortion morally horrific but still believe it is not his right to impose his moral standards on anyone else.

Exactly. I'm Pro Choice. I would hope the choice would be not to have an abortion but in the end it's not my choice to make.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Medellon

Originally posted by: Abraxas

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
John Kerry has never supported abortion, so the entier foundation of your of your argument is off base; you are going to have to show a little intelligence yourself if you want an intelligent answers back.

Yeah, he supports the woman's right to choose, not abortion...

Talk about splitting hairs:disgust:

I disagree. One can find abortion morally horrific but still believe it is not his right to impose his moral standards on anyone else.

So whose standards do we impose? How about a majority? WTF is he doing running for president then?

Wow, spoken like a REAL Catholic.

why do you feel the need to impose your moral authority? Or anyone's moral authority for that matter...

you should ask your priest that

 

[Medellon]

I'm curious as to what the majority of people in this forum believe happens when we die. I'm guessing reincarnation in the form of some animal.

 

[Medellon]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Medellon

Originally posted by: Abraxas

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
John Kerry has never supported abortion, so the entier foundation of your of your argument is off base; you are going to have to show a little intelligence yourself if you want an intelligent answers back.

Yeah, he supports the woman's right to choose, not abortion...

Talk about splitting hairs:disgust:

I disagree. One can find abortion morally horrific but still believe it is not his right to impose his moral standards on anyone else.

So whose standards do we impose? How about a majority? WTF is he doing running for president then?

Wow, spoken like a REAL Catholic.

why do you feel the need to impose your moral authority? Or anyone's moral authority for that matter...

you should ask your priest that

Fine go ahead and let people do whatever they want, yeah that's a good solution.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Medellon
I'm curious as to what the majority of people in this forum believe happens when we die. I'm guessing reincarnation in the form of some animal.

No we'll all sprout wings and turn into Cherubs and spend the rest of eternity hanging around with the likes of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell. Man if that doesn't sound like hell I don't know what does!

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Medellon
I'm curious as to what the majority of people in this forum believe happens when we die. I'm guessing reincarnation in the form of some animal.

You're going downhill, fast. This *could* have been a somewhat-intelligent thread.

 

[shadowninja]

Originally posted by: Medellon
Fine go ahead and let people do whatever they want, yeah that's a good solution.

I might be rusty on my Catholicism, but didn't God give man free will?

 

[Medellon]

Well maybe the reincarnation bit is a tad off but I think the question is valid.

 

[Abraxas]

Originally posted by: Medellon

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Medellon
So whose standards do we impose? How about a majority? WTF is he doing running for president then?

Wow, spoken like a REAL Catholic.

why do you feel the need to impose your moral authority? Or anyone's moral authority for that matter...

you should ask your priest that

Fine go ahead and let people do whatever they want, yeah that's a good solution.

Why must we assume that all decisions on legallity need be made (or even can be made) on moral grounds?

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Why are they against abortion? Something about killing maybe?

How can you be Catholic and support war? Didn't the pope come out against the war in Iraq? How can you support capitol punishment?

Ya, pick and choose what parts of the Bible you want to follow based on the political wind. They can justify anything that their religious leader want to sell them. The politicians using faith to control your voting is sad, too bad none of the sheep see it.

Ignorance is bliss. Thanks for demonstrating why you're such a happy man.

This entire thread is one big anti-Catholic circle jerk. Glad to see those who consider opposing gay marriage bigotry have no problem turning around and whipping up their own dose. Or is hating Catholics not bigotry for some undisclosed reason?

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Medellon
Well maybe the reincarnation bit is a tad off but I think the question is valid.

Well, here's my answer:

I'm a 'Christian' and I believe that when we die, we are judged by both our deeds and the nature of our hearts. Those who are worthy, pass into heaven, the others don't.