How can you be a Catholic and vote Democrat?

[chess9]

Plenty of Catholics think the culture of death surrounding poverty, war, and healthcare are also important. Maybe the problem is with the narrow scope of the religious right's fervor. Most of them are against killing the unborn but will kill a commie (or Muslim) for Christ and The American Way in a heartbeat. Why do you think they jump to Bush's defense when he invades another country without cause, but hammer Kerry for not imposing his views on the rest of the nation? And why is the religious right so opposed to helping the poor and destitute; why do they excoriate gays; why do they not seem to care about the environment? Why do they ALL seem to drive SUV's? That's got to be one of the big mysteries to me. If you follow the words of Christ, then walk the works and words of Christ. Right wing Christians are the real hypocrites.

Are you even a Catholic? I doubt it because you haven't framed the issue the way an informed anti-abortion Catholic would.

At least the guys here are honest about how they feel, except Red who was holding back, I know.

By the way, I'm opposed to abortion, but will gladly vote for Kerry. Bush isn't going to do anything about abortion. If Republicans made any serious progress on that issue they'd be facing more time in the political desert than Moses.

-Robert

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Todd33

I still have no clue what you are babbling about. I guess you are touchy and I pointed out your hypocritical world. Religion and reality don't mix, I think the fumes are making you dizzy.

If I may, I think he was pointing out the hypocrisy exhibited by you and some others whereby you immediately cry foul and throw around "bigot" and "homophobe" labels when anyone opposed issues such a gay marriage, but have no problems raking religion and those who practise it over the coals with diatribe and name calling.

That's what I got from it, anyway.

It's no different than Liberals denouncing Conservatives or Conservatives doing the same to Liberals.

Or the young denouncing the old farts. *shakes fist at you*

Well if you are lucky you too might become an old fart one day!

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

It's no different than Liberals denouncing Conservatives or Conservatives doing the same to Liberals.

Or the young denouncing the old farts. *shakes fist at you*

Well if you are lucky you too might become an old fart one day!

And you a Conservative!

 

[xochi]

Originally posted by: Medellon

Originally posted by: SViscusi

Originally posted by: Medellon

To a answer you question how can a Catholic vote for a pro-choice candidate, easy, we look at the totality of the candidate rather than that one position. And if we feel guilty afterwards we can just go confess.

Are you yourself a Catholic? If so I suggest you brush up on your Catholic teachings.

I'm catholic, go to church every sunday, active in the church, etc.

the majority of catholics in the US vote democrat, about 55%. most catholics including myself do not agree with abortion. But this is only one issue in politics, very strong for some.

i know many priests and not one of them will be voting for Bush. sure there are plenty of republican priests. but in general priests and the church itself are more likely to be "liberal" on issues; e.g war, death penalty, equal rights for all, treatment of the poor, etc.

ask your local priest who he will be voting for, you may be in for a surprise.

 

[Medellon]

Listen, I'm a catholic and try to live by the church teachings but I'm not always successful. I don't impose my point of view on anyone but I also don't go around proclaiming how religious I am and what a good catholic person I am yet come election day I forget all that and vote democrat. I don't see how a person who claims to be a christian by words and deeds can vote for a candidate who supports abortion. That was the original intent of my post.

 

[Medellon]

Originally posted by: xochi

Originally posted by: Medellon

Originally posted by: SViscusi

Originally posted by: Medellon

To a answer you question how can a Catholic vote for a pro-choice candidate, easy, we look at the totality of the candidate rather than that one position. And if we feel guilty afterwards we can just go confess.

Are you yourself a Catholic? If so I suggest you brush up on your Catholic teachings.

I'm catholic, go to church every sunday, active in the church, etc.

the majority of catholics in the US vote democrat, about 55%. most catholics including myself do not agree with abortion. But this is only one issue in politics, very strong for some.

i know many priests and not one of them will be voting for Bush. sure there are plenty of republican priests. but in general priests and the church itself are more likely to be "liberal" on issues; e.g war, death penalty, equal rights for all, treatment of the poor, etc.

ask your local priest who he will be voting for, you may be in for a surprise.

Where did you get that 55% of catholics vote democrat? Link please! I don't believe that most priests are voting for Kerry.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

It's no different than Liberals denouncing Conservatives or Conservatives doing the same to Liberals.

Or the young denouncing the old farts. *shakes fist at you*

Well if you are lucky you too might become an old fart one day!

Actually I was registered as a Republican in the 2000 California Presidential Primaries. Of course after that I felt so greasy I had to re-register as an Independent

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

It's no different than Liberals denouncing Conservatives or Conservatives doing the same to Liberals.

Or the young denouncing the old farts. *shakes fist at you*

Well if you are lucky you too might become an old fart one day!

Actually I was registered as a Republican in the 2000 California Presidential Primaries. Of course after that I felt so greasy I had to re-register as an Independent

I've no doubt that the more rational posts you've made came from some deep, underlying, Republican genes.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Medellon
Listen, I'm a catholic and try to live by the church teachings but I'm not always successful. I don't impose my point of view on anyone but I also don't go around proclaiming how religious I am and what a good catholic person I am yet come election day I forget all that and vote democrat. I don't see how a person who claims to be a christian by words and deeds can vote for a candidate who supports abortion. That was the original intent of my post.

Well here's an answer to your original post...forgetting all that bashing of us heathens you felt the need to include in your subsequent posts.

Anyways...religion isn't one issue, and neither is voting, at least for most people. Neither candidate is perfect in a Catholic sense, something they have in common with most Catholics. Just like everyone else, they pick the "best" one, not the perfect one. Bush may be anti-abortion, but he falls short in many other areas from a religious perspective.

Here's a question, why assume religion is special? It's a viewpoint, and just like any other viewpoint in an election, we have to compromise some of what we believe and vote for the best candidate, not the perfect one, because he or she doesn't exist.

 

[EDoG2K]

Back to the beginning, Medellon:

(you can spin it anyway you like, pro-choice, woman's right to choose, health of the mother, etc. but it all boils down to being pro-abortion)

No. It really doesn't. Has Kerry had an abortion? Does he go around telling people to get abortions? No one is pro-abortion, as it is an unpleasant experience for all involved.

And then you said:

Listen, I'm a catholic and try to live by the church teachings but I'm not always successful. I don't impose my point of view on anyone but I also don't go around proclaiming how religious I am and what a good catholic person I am yet come election day I forget all that and vote democrat. I don't see how a person who claims to be a christian by words and deeds can vote for a candidate who supports abortion. That was the original intent of my post.

And I can't see how anyone who claims to be christian can vote for a incumbent president who is responsible for 20,000+ innocent iraqi civilian deaths and 1100+ american lives. Your questions has been addressed. You didn't come here to listen, you came here to preach. Until you cut off your penis, stfu, k? thanks.

 

[xochi]

Originally posted by: Medellon

Originally posted by: xochi

Originally posted by: Medellon

Originally posted by: SViscusi

Originally posted by: Medellon

To a answer you question how can a Catholic vote for a pro-choice candidate, easy, we look at the totality of the candidate rather than that one position. And if we feel guilty afterwards we can just go confess.

Are you yourself a Catholic? If so I suggest you brush up on your Catholic teachings.

I'm catholic, go to church every sunday, active in the church, etc.

the majority of catholics in the US vote democrat, about 55%. most catholics including myself do not agree with abortion. But this is only one issue in politics, very strong for some.

i know many priests and not one of them will be voting for Bush. sure there are plenty of republican priests. but in general priests and the church itself are more likely to be "liberal" on issues; e.g war, death penalty, equal rights for all, treatment of the poor, etc.

ask your local priest who he will be voting for, you may be in for a surprise.

Where did you get that 55% of catholics vote democrat? Link please! I don't believe that most priests are voting for Kerry.

believe and vote for whoever you want. as i said, ask your local preist and see what he says.

on a personal note, my brother is a priest and he and his colleagues have stated to me personally that they are absolutely positively not voting for bush.

dont worry many priests will vote for bush.







cbs news

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: EDoG2K
Back to the beginning, Medellon:

(you can spin it anyway you like, pro-choice, woman's right to choose, health of the mother, etc. but it all boils down to being pro-abortion)

No. It really doesn't. Has Kerry had an abortion? Does he go around telling people to get abortions? No one is pro-abortion, as it is an unpleasant experience for all involved.

And then you said:

Listen, I'm a catholic and try to live by the church teachings but I'm not always successful. I don't impose my point of view on anyone but I also don't go around proclaiming how religious I am and what a good catholic person I am yet come election day I forget all that and vote democrat. I don't see how a person who claims to be a christian by words and deeds can vote for a candidate who supports abortion. That was the original intent of my post.

And I can't see how anyone who claims to be christian can vote for a incumbent president who is responsible for 20,000+ innocent iraqi civilian deaths and 1100+ american lives. Your questions has been addressed. You didn't come here to listen, you came here to preach. Until you cut off your penis, stfu, k? thanks.

Abortion is especially unpleasant to the father who wanted to keep the child, but the mother decided to abort.

Saddam was responsible for more deaths than that while he was the incumbent, I think you need to dramatically alter your figures.....

 

[Medellon]

Thanks for the link...I didn't realize it was that high. Catholics concerned about the war? Which is the greater evil, abortion or the war in Iraq? My money's on abortion.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Medellon
Thanks for the link...I didn't realize it was that high. Catholics concerned about the war? Which is the greater evil, abortion or the war in Iraq? My money's on abortion.

You aren't even reading this thread, are you? You aren't even responding to posts that directly answer your question, you simply babble on about how evil abortion is.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Medellon
Thanks for the link...I didn't realize it was that high. Catholics concerned about the war? Which is the greater evil, abortion or the war in Iraq? My money's on abortion.

If abortion was so evil and there was really a God, I think She would have the juice to stop it Herself.....

Can't wait until this election is over, sick of the ignorance spewed by the Kerry/Bush bashers. Too bad were still going to be stuck with the religous wackos trying to impose their moral values down our throats.

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: Medellon
Thanks for the link...I didn't realize it was that high. Catholics concerned about the war? Which is the greater evil, abortion or the war in Iraq? My money's on abortion.

I doubt it.

 

[Medellon]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Medellon
Thanks for the link...I didn't realize it was that high. Catholics concerned about the war? Which is the greater evil, abortion or the war in Iraq? My money's on abortion.

If abortion was so evil and there was really a God, I think She would have the juice to stop it Herself.....

Can't wait until this election is over, sick of the ignorance spewed by the Kerry/Bush bashers. Too bad were still going to be stuck with the religous wackos trying to impose their moral values down our throats.

Better to believe and be wrong then to not believe and be wrong.

 

[Medellon]

I was referring to the article that was linked, read it and you'll understand.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Medellon

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Medellon
Thanks for the link...I didn't realize it was that high. Catholics concerned about the war? Which is the greater evil, abortion or the war in Iraq? My money's on abortion.

If abortion was so evil and there was really a God, I think She would have the juice to stop it Herself.....

Can't wait until this election is over, sick of the ignorance spewed by the Kerry/Bush bashers. Too bad were still going to be stuck with the religous wackos trying to impose their moral values down our throats.

Better to believe and be wrong then to not believe and be wrong.

Really? I believe I can toss myself into a wood chipper and be OK, is it going to be "better" for me when I find out I was wrong? Do we need to continue to the 2nd part of your statement?

 

[Abraxas]

Originally posted by: Medellon
Better to believe and be wrong then to not believe and be wrong.

Tell me you did not just break out Pascal's wager.

 

[Alistar7]

I take part of my earlier statement back, the people of God bring us great humor here at ATPN.....

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Abraxas

Originally posted by: Medellon
Better to believe and be wrong then to not believe and be wrong.

Tell me you did not just break out Pascal's wager.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pascal-wager/

Pascal's Wager

 

[Medellon]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Medellon

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Medellon
Thanks for the link...I didn't realize it was that high. Catholics concerned about the war? Which is the greater evil, abortion or the war in Iraq? My money's on abortion.

If abortion was so evil and there was really a God, I think She would have the juice to stop it Herself.....

Can't wait until this election is over, sick of the ignorance spewed by the Kerry/Bush bashers. Too bad were still going to be stuck with the religous wackos trying to impose their moral values down our throats.

Better to believe and be wrong then to not believe and be wrong.

Really? I believe I can toss myself into a wood chipper and be OK, is it going to be "better" for me when I find out I was wrong? Do we need to continue to the 2nd part of your statement?

Hypothetically speaking: What harm is done believing in God (on a personal level) when there is none?

 

[Abraxas]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Abraxas

Originally posted by: Medellon
Better to believe and be wrong then to not believe and be wrong.

Tell me you did not just break out Pascal's wager.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pascal-wager/

Pascal's Wager

That's what I thought. Seriously, Pascal's Wager has an incredible number of holes in it.

 

[Medellon]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Abraxas

Originally posted by: Medellon
Better to believe and be wrong then to not believe and be wrong.

Tell me you did not just break out Pascal's wager.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pascal-wager/

Pascal's Wager

I don't have time right now to read Pascal's Wager and I am unfamiliar with it.