How can you be a Catholic and vote Democrat?

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Medellon

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Medellon

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Medellon
Thanks for the link...I didn't realize it was that high. Catholics concerned about the war? Which is the greater evil, abortion or the war in Iraq? My money's on abortion.

If abortion was so evil and there was really a God, I think She would have the juice to stop it Herself.....

Can't wait until this election is over, sick of the ignorance spewed by the Kerry/Bush bashers. Too bad were still going to be stuck with the religous wackos trying to impose their moral values down our throats.

Better to believe and be wrong then to not believe and be wrong.

Really? I believe I can toss myself into a wood chipper and be OK, is it going to be "better" for me when I find out I was wrong? Do we need to continue to the 2nd part of your statement?

Hypothetically speaking: What harm is done believing in God (on a personal level) when there is none?

That is explained in the link I gave you, the question you should be asking yourself is what is gained....

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Medellon

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Medellon

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Medellon
Thanks for the link...I didn't realize it was that high. Catholics concerned about the war? Which is the greater evil, abortion or the war in Iraq? My money's on abortion.

If abortion was so evil and there was really a God, I think She would have the juice to stop it Herself.....

Can't wait until this election is over, sick of the ignorance spewed by the Kerry/Bush bashers. Too bad were still going to be stuck with the religous wackos trying to impose their moral values down our throats.

Better to believe and be wrong then to not believe and be wrong.

Really? I believe I can toss myself into a wood chipper and be OK, is it going to be "better" for me when I find out I was wrong? Do we need to continue to the 2nd part of your statement?

Hypothetically speaking: What harm is done believing in God (on a personal level) when there is none?

Maybe you believe in the wrong one and the actual God has a rule that belief in nothing is ok, but belief in another God is a hellworthy offense? Maybe you close your mind off to other faiths and intellectual ideas? If I hadn't abandoned Catholicism in my mid-teenage years, I would never has discovered concepts like Buddhism and others, ideas that have benefited me far more than Christianity ever did. Maybe you are simply wasting your time with something that will not benefit you in the slightest when you COULD be using that time in a more productive manner?

Not saying any of that is true, but the idea that believing in God has no negative affects if you are wrong is just not correct.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Medellon

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Abraxas

Originally posted by: Medellon
Better to believe and be wrong then to not believe and be wrong.

Tell me you did not just break out Pascal's wager.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pascal-wager/

Pascal's Wager

I don't have time right now to read Pascal's Wager and I am unfamiliar with it.

You seem to have plenty of time to post your opinions, I can't believe you don't have a few minutes to educate yourself about some of the things you say.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Medellon

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Abraxas

Originally posted by: Medellon
Better to believe and be wrong then to not believe and be wrong.

Tell me you did not just break out Pascal's wager.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pascal-wager/

Pascal's Wager

I don't have time right now to read Pascal's Wager and I am unfamiliar with it.

It's the argument that believing in God causes no harm if you are wrong, and helps you if you are right while not believing in God doesn't help if you are right, and harms you if you are wrong. It's a classic logical fallacy on many levels. If you are interested in learning why, please read that link, it goes into much greater detail.

 

[illustri]

Originally posted by: Medellon
I thought I would receive a few intelligent answers in this forum. It seems to be dominated by hedonistic atheists.

Originally posted by: MonkeyK
Do your Hispanic friends really have no answer? Or just no answer that you like?

ziiiing...

 

[Zebo]

Easy follow Jesus' teachings makes you a flamming liberal.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: illustri

Originally posted by: Medellon
I thought I would receive a few intelligent answers in this forum. It seems to be dominated by hedonistic atheists.

Originally posted by: MonkeyK
Do your Hispanic friends really have no answer? Or just no answer that you like?

ziiiing...

LOL

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Easy follow Jesus' teachings makes you a flamming liberal.

As my brother is fond of saying, Jesus was a hippy. If you don't think so, I don't think you were paying enough attention last time you read the Bible.

 

[her209]

So if I believe that X is wrong, should I be allowed to legislate that to others who don't share the same view?

 

[chess9]

Medellon:

So tell me, which scale do you use to measure evil? Yes, the Catholic church puts abortion up on a pedestal, but it also puts "Just Wars" pretty high up and poverty and health care, and education, etc. etc. And, by the way, Kerry does not support abortion. If you are planning a career as a moralist you need to shade your arguments a hell of a lot more than you have.

I agree that abortion is bad, but when did Bush promise you that he would put an end to abortion and how does he plan on doing it? Right, he DIDN'T promise a morsel to the religious right, while mouthing pieties the whole time. The reason is because Republicans KNOW they cannot go there. Their political death would be guaranteed because the vast majority of Americans, including a lot of female Republicans would kiss the Republican Party goodbye. If you want to see a political massacre watch the day the Republicans do something that stupid.

-Robert

 

[colonel]

It doesn't make any sense what are you trying to say...maybe you think Spanish people are idiots to believe in the American Catholic church who is totally screw up and support the republicans because they can get away with more free taxes.

 

[Medellon]

Just who is discrediting Pascal's wager?

 

[drpootums]

Originally posted by: EDoG2K
Medellon: I take it you believe that if you don't believe in Jesus Christ, you are going to hell?

sooo.. all Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc... + everyone who votes for Kerry is going to hell?

I'll see you when i get there, punk.

I believe that anyone who is not a christian is going to hell. Jews, Muslims, Hindus will go to hell if they do not believe that Jesus christ saved them. If you live godly and never believe that Jesus saved you, you will go to hell, because you are just working for your salvation. I think voting for kerry if a sin, just because (i know i'll get flamed for this) you say infanticide is ok and you say homosexual marrage is ok. BTW, killing the "embryo" makes the baby feel pain. It is alive, not just a bunch of cells. The nervious system and the cardiovascular system are the first things to develope, it's alive and your killing it because the mom doesnt want it. There is no reason that it needs to be done for a medical reason, and even if you are raped, dont make the baby pay for another's sin.

 

[Medellon]

Goodness, most of you speak as if the holocaust was a catholic doctrine and Hitler was the pope!

 

[SirStev0]

easy... your not a douche and you make decisions on your own...

i dont like people who judge others cuz they dont blindly follow a religion...

as i understand it christians (which catholics are) believe god gives them choice...
he also forgives...
blah blah blah

its your choice to follow a religion blindly... it doesnt have to be everyone else choice... and no matter whose right or wrong your religion gives the opportunity to be forgiven...

wasnt that the point of the whole jesus thing...

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: drpootums

Originally posted by: EDoG2K
Medellon: I take it you believe that if you don't believe in Jesus Christ, you are going to hell?

sooo.. all Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc... + everyone who votes for Kerry is going to hell?

I'll see you when i get there, punk.

I believe that anyone who is not a christian is going to hell. Jews, Muslims, Hindus will go to hell if they do not believe that Jesus christ saved them. If you live godly and never believe that Jesus saved you, you will go to hell, because you are just working for your salvation. I think voting for kerry if a sin, just because (i know i'll get flamed for this) you say infanticide is ok and you say homosexual marrage is ok. BTW, killing the "embryo" makes the baby feel pain. It is alive, not just a bunch of cells. The nervious system and the cardiovascular system are the first things to develope, it's alive and your killing it because the mom doesnt want it. There is no reason that it needs to be done for a medical reason, and even if you are raped, dont make the baby pay for another's sin.

The religious basis for your objection to homosexual marriage is?????

 

[Medellon]

Originally posted by: drpootums

Originally posted by: EDoG2K
Medellon: I take it you believe that if you don't believe in Jesus Christ, you are going to hell?

sooo.. all Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc... + everyone who votes for Kerry is going to hell?

I'll see you when i get there, punk.

I believe that anyone who is not a christian is going to hell. Jews, Muslims, Hindus will go to hell if they do not believe that Jesus christ saved them. If you live godly and never believe that Jesus saved you, you will go to hell, because you are just working for your salvation. I think voting for kerry if a sin, just because (i know i'll get flamed for this) you say infanticide is ok and you say homosexual marrage is ok. BTW, killing the "embryo" makes the baby feel pain. It is alive, not just a bunch of cells. The nervious system and the cardiovascular system are the first things to develope, it's alive and your killing it because the mom doesnt want it. There is no reason that it needs to be done for a medical reason, and even if you are raped, dont make the baby pay for another's sin.

I'm not sure if all these people are going to hell but if you have heard the word of God and don't believe then surely that does not bode well.

 

[Abraxas]

Originally posted by: Medellon
Just who is discrediting Pascal's wager?

In the one article linked to, Mackie, Rescher, Mougin, Sober, Duff, Hájek, Hacking, Penelhum, Voltaire, etc. all raise objections to it.

Outside of them, I could.

 

[Medellon]

These people are just bitter as they have no faith and they can't understand how someone can believe in God when there is no tangible proof. So they just go on bashing God and religion because they can't think of any arguments against His existence.

 

[drpootums]

i'm not a catholic (ELS lutheran here), and the pope is not a 4th branch of god

God gave us free will, we can believe or not believe, and i took the invitation to believe. It seems if u are a christian on these forums u are the root of all evil...we are not saying to everyone follow my religion or die! or anything, we are talking about our faith and everyone says "u are an extremist, u follow your religion blindy, ur dumb, stop trying to make me believe" open your eyes people and dont be ignorant

"all who desire to live a godly life in my name will be pursecuted" in Acts, dont know the verse

 

[Medellon]

Originally posted by: Abraxas

Originally posted by: Medellon
Just who is discrediting Pascal's wager?

In the one article linked to, Mackie, Rescher, Mougin, Sober, Duff, Hájek, Hacking, Penelhum, Voltaire, etc. all raise objections to it.

Outside of them, I could.

I could have a drug user rant all he wants discrediting why drugs are bad, just watch Tyrone Biggums on the Dave Chappelle show!

 

[drpootums]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: drpootums

Originally posted by: EDoG2K
Medellon: I take it you believe that if you don't believe in Jesus Christ, you are going to hell?

sooo.. all Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc... + everyone who votes for Kerry is going to hell?

I'll see you when i get there, punk.

I believe that anyone who is not a christian is going to hell. Jews, Muslims, Hindus will go to hell if they do not believe that Jesus christ saved them. If you live godly and never believe that Jesus saved you, you will go to hell, because you are just working for your salvation. I think voting for kerry if a sin, just because (i know i'll get flamed for this) you say infanticide is ok and you say homosexual marrage is ok. BTW, killing the "embryo" makes the baby feel pain. It is alive, not just a bunch of cells. The nervious system and the cardiovascular system are the first things to develope, it's alive and your killing it because the mom doesnt want it. There is no reason that it needs to be done for a medical reason, and even if you are raped, dont make the baby pay for another's sin.

The religious basis for your objection to homosexual marriage is?????

1st Corinthians 6:9: "Don't you know that those who do wrong will have no share in the Kingdom of God? Dont fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, who are idol worshipers, adulterers, male prostitues, homosexuals...continues on to verse 10

If you do wrong you must repent, that's why at the end of every day i ask for forgiveness from my sins. If you live in sin and dont repent, you're on your way to hell.

 

[chess9]

drpootbottom:

Your ship inadvertently landed 5 centuries late. Go back and try again.

-Robert

 

[Abraxas]

Originally posted by: Medellon
These people are just bitter as they have no faith and they can't understand how someone can believe in God when there is no tangible proof. So they just go on bashing God and religion because they can't think of any arguments against His existence.

No. Rescher, Sober, likely Mougin, and Penelhum are all christian as near as I can tell. And those are just the ones I could find info about.

I could have a drug user rant all he wants discrediting why drugs are bad, just watch Tyrone Biggums on the Dave Chappelle show!

Does the person making the argument have any influence on how accurate their argument is from a logical and objective perspective?

 

[drpootums]

Originally posted by: chess9
drpootbottom:

Your ship inadvertently landed 5 centuries late. Go back and try again.

-Robert

Democrats always ask for proof on the homosexual marrage thing in the bible, and i just showed you where 1 of the references are. And this is what you come back with? No "oh, i guess you were right?" O well, i wasnt expecting it, i know u people too well