How come everyone hates McDonalds?

[mrzed]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Smartazz
Maybe that movie "Super Size Me" has something to do with it.

Supersize Me was a propaganda farce. He could have got the same results by force-feeding himself with virtually ANY food.

Hold on there sparky. If he was force-fed my lunch today (lentils with carrots, celery and spinach), he might be bored silly at the end of the month, but I'm fairly certain he would not have gained weight or had his cholesterol shoot through the roof. Do you mean to say he would have got the same results by over eating just about any food? If so, you are close to right, but missing the point entirely.

I saw the film, and I thought the main point is, a lot of Americans think you are getting something close to a proper meal there (or insert any other FF restaurant). Also, the idea that portion sizes have got out of control is true, and fast food restaurants are part of the problem. Sure, individual self-control is the number one thing, people know it's not exactly health food, but they fail to realise how bad it is, and how eating even a few meals a week there can have a real impact on health. The reason he chose McD's is, they are representative of fast food in general. Some are slightly better, some are worse.

IMO, KFC, or as I call it, Dirty Bird, is the very nastiest, both in health and taste.

 

[acegazda]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
The food is poison, in both taste and health. It is absolute garbage.

The food is no more unhealthy than the same food cooked at any other resturant (in fact, healthier than many sit down places). It is also no more unhealthy than the same foods the average person cooks at home.

prove it

 

[SuzQ]

I actually love their chicken nuggets even after the many bad things I have heard about them.... but i perfer wendys because it is cheaper for the same food just a lil healthier.

 

[SampSon]

Any thread about McDonalds boils down to Amused vs. everybody else.
His claim is that McDonalds food is the same as any other food out there, even food made at home. This claim has been refuted an endless number of times on this forum.
I still cannot make my ingredient list at home match the ingredient list of McDonalds. But back to the topic of the thread that Amused always derails.

People hate McDonalds because they can.

 

[kmrivers]

I don't hate McD's. For me it is a once a month thing. I will just feel like getting it. Do I think it tastes good? Sure, its good. Do I think it is unhealthy? Oh yeah. Which is why I only eat it once a month at most. I also don't drink pop.

Do I hate Walmart? Yes. Do I hate Microsoft? No. iPods? No. Bush? Kinda. Apple? No, I fsking love them!

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SampSon
Any thread about McDonalds boils down to Amused vs. everybody else.
His claim is that McDonalds food is the same as any other food out there, even food made at home. This claim has been refuted an endless number of times on this forum.
I still cannot make my ingredient list at home match the ingredient list of McDonalds. But back to the topic of the thread that Amused always derails.

People hate McDonalds because they can.

Really?

Care to explain what ingredients in a McDonald's burger you cannot match?

My facts have not been refuted. On the contrary, the nutritional info and ingredients of McDonald's foods are virtually identical to the same foods served in other restaurants, and the most popular identical foods cooked at home.

It's not about "Amused vs everyone else" because a fair number of people in this thread can see the facts and agree with me. This is facts vs myths.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: acegazda

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
The food is poison, in both taste and health. It is absolute garbage.

The food is no more unhealthy than the same food cooked at any other resturant (in fact, healthier than many sit down places). It is also no more unhealthy than the same foods the average person cooks at home.

prove it

Read the thread. Someone else already did a burger to burger and sandwich to sandwich comparison among the three major fast food joints.

And beef is beef. Cooked at home or cooked at McDonald's, a hamburger will be virtually the same. In fact, the burgers at sit-down resturants and home are usually worse for the simple fact that they are usually bigger.

I have yet to see anyone point out a single food item at McDonald's that is uniquely unhealthy, and not the same as virtually all identical foods found in other restaurants, or the same as the most popular identical foods people serve at home.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Whisper
I personally don't eat it because I find the food itself to be disgusting. I used to go there all the time up through high school, but once I entered college, I started paying more attention to my diet and exercise routine. I've become increasingly strict since then, and now I'll actually get physically sick if I grab something from McDonald's or Burger King. Even Chick-fil-a and Wendy's can make me feel a bit "off" on a bad day, although Zaxby's seems to never let me down with their grilled house zalads. Good stuff.

Amazing.

A Zaxby's house salad with Grilled chicken:
Cal: 650
Fat: 53
Sat Fat: 17
Trans Fat: 5
Sodium: 1836

McDonald's Quarter Pounder:
Cal : 410
Fat: 19
Sat Fat: 7
Trans Fat: 1
Sodium: 730

Oh yeah! At more than twice the saturated fats and 5 times the trans fats: You're eatin' healthy now!

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Whisper

Also, and this is a very large generalization, I'd say nine times out of ten, even if it is fatty, homemade food is going to be better for you than something from a fast food restaurant...less sodium and preservatives, fewer trans fats, etc. Plus, you also have to look at portion size.

Total rubbish. Most people make larger portions at home and have larger portions at sit down resturants than at a fast food place.

McDonald's (and all other fast food burger joint) uses no more sodium or presefvatives than the identical most popular foods bought in suoermarkets and cooked at home (most people do not eat wheat buns, use ultra lean beefs, or make their own fries).

CAN you be healthier at home? Sure. Are the most popular products sold in supermarkets healthier? Not a chance.

 

[mrzed]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon
Any thread about McDonalds boils down to Amused vs. everybody else.
His claim is that McDonalds food is the same as any other food out there, even food made at home. This claim has been refuted an endless number of times on this forum.
I still cannot make my ingredient list at home match the ingredient list of McDonalds. But back to the topic of the thread that Amused always derails.

People hate McDonalds because they can.

Really?

Care to explain what ingredients in a McDonald's burger you cannot match?

My facts have not been refuted. On the contrary, the nutritional info and ingredients of McDonald's foods are virtually identical to the same foods served in other restaurants, and the most popular identical foods cooked at home.

It's not about "Amused vs everyone else" because a fair number of people in this thread can see the facts and agree with me. This is facts vs myths.

Much as I find Amused's defense of the Clown baflling, I'll side with the idea that mcDonalds is not greatly different than other FF restaurants.

Comparing to home-cooked food, I think is more problematic. Certainly, many people do not cook healthier food at home, but the problem here is that you are comparing McD's foods with the "identical foods cooked at home". Hardly makes for a fair challenge. I know when I make burgers and fries at home, I make oven fries, because they are healthier. I also serve vegetables as a side dish, as opposed to a quart of sugar water.

That said, the hamburgers are an easy one: they are fundamentally the same.

But the fries are not. Anyone I know who fries at home does so in 100% vegetable oil, unlike restaurants, which always use hydrogenated products unless they tell you otherwise.

Examples: McD's Fries:

French Fries:
Potatoes, vegetable oil (partially hydrogenated soybean oil, natural beef flavor (wheat and milk derivatives)*, citric acid (preservative), dextrose, sodium acid pyrophosphate (maintain color), dimethylpolysiloxane (antifoaming agent)), salt. Prepared in vegetable oil ((may contain one of the following: Canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, partially hydrogenated corn oil with TBHQ and citric acid added to preserve freshness), dimethylpolysiloxane added as an antifoaming agent). *CONTAINS: WHEAT AND MILK (Natural beef flavor contains hydrolyzed wheat and hydrolyzed milk as starting ingredients.)

Beef flavour - probably added to replace the flavour they used to get from tallow.

The really weird one is the folded eggs, espicially after one poster claimed that they are just pre-scrambled, far from it:

Folded Egg:
Pasteurized whole eggs, food starch-modified, soybean oil, natural flavors (botanical source), sodium acid pyrophosphate, carrageenan gum, flavor enhancer [salt, maltodextrin, natural flavor (plant source), spices, herb, turmeric (color)], monosodium phosphate, citric acid, soy lecithin. Prepared with liquid margarine. CONTAINS: EGG, SOY LECITHIN

That said, aside from the trans-fats in the fries, there is nothing really scary in the list.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: mrzed

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Smartazz
Maybe that movie "Super Size Me" has something to do with it.

Supersize Me was a propaganda farce. He could have got the same results by force-feeding himself with virtually ANY food.

Hold on there sparky. If he was force-fed my lunch today (lentils with carrots, celery and spinach), he might be bored silly at the end of the month, but I'm fairly certain he would not have gained weight or had his cholesterol shoot through the roof. Do you mean to say he would have got the same results by over eating just about any food? If so, you are close to right, but missing the point entirely.

I saw the film, and I thought the main point is, a lot of Americans think you are getting something close to a proper meal there (or insert any other FF restaurant). Also, the idea that portion sizes have got out of control is true, and fast food restaurants are part of the problem. Sure, individual self-control is the number one thing, people know it's not exactly health food, but they fail to realise how bad it is, and how eating even a few meals a week there can have a real impact on health. The reason he chose McD's is, they are representative of fast food in general. Some are slightly better, some are worse.

IMO, KFC, or as I call it, Dirty Bird, is the very nastiest, both in health and taste.

On the contray: Spurlock showed amazing self control during his film.

He had the ability to eat when not hungry. In fact, he had the ability to force feed himself three times his normal calorie intake. He regularly ate past the point of feeling physically ill.

You do that with virtually ANY foods, and you'll suffer the same ill effects. They are the same effects Geese who are force fed to make Foie Gras suffer... by being force fed grain.

 

[SampSon]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon
Any thread about McDonalds boils down to Amused vs. everybody else.
His claim is that McDonalds food is the same as any other food out there, even food made at home. This claim has been refuted an endless number of times on this forum.
I still cannot make my ingredient list at home match the ingredient list of McDonalds. But back to the topic of the thread that Amused always derails.

People hate McDonalds because they can.

Really?

Care to explain what ingredients in a McDonald's burger you cannot match?

My facts have not been refuted. On the contrary, the nutritional info and ingredients of McDonald's foods are virtually identical to the same foods served in other restaurants, and the most popular identical foods cooked at home.

It's not about "Amused vs everyone else" because a fair number of people in this thread can see the facts and agree with me. This is facts vs myths.

I already did this in another thread. So I'll make this short and sweet, because it's not hard to understand.

I don't refute that the beef patties are straight up pure beef. Though there are things on McDonald's menu other than hamburgers.

Crispy Chicken Breast Filet:
Boneless, skinless chicken breast filets with rib meat, water, seasoning (salt, modified potato starch, spices, carrageenan gum, spice extractives), and sodium phosphates. Battered and breaded with: wheat flour, water, food starch-modified, bleached wheat flour, salt, spice, dextrose, egg whites, wheat gluten, and yeast, leavening (sodium acid pyrophosphate, baking soda, and monocalcium phosphate). Prepared in vegetable oil ((may contain one of the following: Canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, partially hydrogenated corn oil with TBHQ and citric acid added to preserve freshness), dimethylpolysiloxane added as an antifoaming agent). CONTAINS: WHEAT AND EGG
My breaded chicken breasts are boneless chicken (usually "all natural") and homemade breading. So how many of thoes preservatives do you use in the kitchen?

French Fries:
Potatoes, vegetable oil (partially hydrogenated soybean oil, natural beef flavor (wheat and milk derivatives)*, citric acid (preservative), dextrose, sodium acid pyrophosphate (maintain color), dimethylpolysiloxane (antifoaming agent)), salt. Prepared in vegetable oil ((may contain one of the following: Canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, partially hydrogenated corn oil with TBHQ and citric acid added to preserve freshness), dimethylpolysiloxane added as an antifoaming agent). *CONTAINS: WHEAT AND MILK (Natural beef flavor contains hydrolyzed wheat and hydrolyzed milk as starting ingredients.)
My french fries are fresh cut potatos. From this list, tell me what you use in the kitchen.

Chicken McNuggets®:
White boneless chicken, water, food starch-modified, salt, chicken flavor (autolyzed yeast extract, salt, wheat starch, natural flavoring (botanical source), safflower oil, dextrose, citric acid, rosemary), sodium phosphates, seasoning (canola oil, mono- and diglycerides, natural extractives of rosemary). Battered and breaded with: water, enriched flour (bleached wheat flour, niacin, reduced iron, thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid), yellow corn flour, food starch-modified, salt, leavening (baking soda, sodium acid pyrophosphate, sodium aluminum phosphate, monocalcium phosphate, calcium lactate), spices, wheat starch, whey, corn starch. Prepared in vegetable oil ((may contain one of the following: Canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, partially hydrogenated corn oil with TBHQ and citric acid added to preserve freshness), dimethylpolysiloxane added as an antifoaming agent). CONTAINS: WHEAT AND MILK
My chicken nuggets are made from the same material my breaded chicken breasts are made from. The only thing that has even close to that many ingredients is the breading, which has mabey 5.

Scrambled Eggs (2):
Pasteurized whole eggs with sodium acid pyrophosphate, citric acid and monosodium phosphate (all added to preserve color), nisin (preservative). Prepared with liquid margarine: Liquid soybean oil, water, partially hydrogenated cottonseed and soybean oils, salt, hydrogenated cottonseed oil, soy lecithin, mono- and diglycerides, sodium benzoate and potassium sorbate (preservative), artificial flavor, citric acid, vitamin A palmitate, beta carotene (color). CONTAINS: EGG AND SOY LECITHIN
My eggs contain, well, egg. Even better is that most are fresh and free from a local farmer, sure they don't hold in the fridge, but they are the only way to eat eggs.

The list can go on for a bit, but I think you should get the idea (or you should if you're not arguing from a particular circumstantial viewpoint, which you commonly do in order to make an argument on any given subject).

Your facts hold true when you compare preserved crap food fare with other preserved crap food fare. Sure any fast food place uses the same preserved junk as McDonalds, so do many other restaurants (mostly chains). Though you do know that there are MANY restaurants that serve real food. Food that is purchased fresh that day and served the same day. Your facts will hold true in a controlled environment. You know what I'm saying is true, please don't play dumb.

 

[domsq]

Can't say I care much for McD's burgers and fries, but their salads are pretty nice

That was my lunch today... McD's chicken salad with light dressing, and a bottle of spring water.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon
Any thread about McDonalds boils down to Amused vs. everybody else.
His claim is that McDonalds food is the same as any other food out there, even food made at home. This claim has been refuted an endless number of times on this forum.
I still cannot make my ingredient list at home match the ingredient list of McDonalds. But back to the topic of the thread that Amused always derails.

People hate McDonalds because they can.

Really?

Care to explain what ingredients in a McDonald's burger you cannot match?

My facts have not been refuted. On the contrary, the nutritional info and ingredients of McDonald's foods are virtually identical to the same foods served in other restaurants, and the most popular identical foods cooked at home.

It's not about "Amused vs everyone else" because a fair number of people in this thread can see the facts and agree with me. This is facts vs myths.

I agree with Amused in this case. I just haven't bothered posting because he's been able to hold his own with anyone who tried argue that there's a fact based reason McDonalds should be avoided in favor of other restaurants.

 

[SampSon]

I agree with Amused in this case. I just haven't bothered posting because he's been able to hold his own with anyone who tried argue that there's a fact based reason McDonalds should be avoided in favor of other restaurants.

Read my above post. I can name at least 50 restaurants in my local area that don't serve anything comparable to McDonalds. Is it hard to comprehend that there are restaurants out there that serve fresh food?

As a disclaimer, I have nothing against McDonalds. I actually enjoy eating it from time to time. Though comparing the quality and contents of McDonalds food against all food serving establishments and home cooking and claiming there is no difference is a joke.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: mrzed

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon
Any thread about McDonalds boils down to Amused vs. everybody else.
His claim is that McDonalds food is the same as any other food out there, even food made at home. This claim has been refuted an endless number of times on this forum.
I still cannot make my ingredient list at home match the ingredient list of McDonalds. But back to the topic of the thread that Amused always derails.

People hate McDonalds because they can.

Really?

Care to explain what ingredients in a McDonald's burger you cannot match?

My facts have not been refuted. On the contrary, the nutritional info and ingredients of McDonald's foods are virtually identical to the same foods served in other restaurants, and the most popular identical foods cooked at home.

It's not about "Amused vs everyone else" because a fair number of people in this thread can see the facts and agree with me. This is facts vs myths.

Much as I find Amused's defense of the Clown baflling, I'll side with the idea that mcDonalds is not greatly different than other FF restaurants.

Comparing to home-cooked food, I think is more problematic. Certainly, many people do not cook healthier food at home, but the problem here is that you are comparing McD's foods with the "identical foods cooked at home". Hardly makes for a fair challenge. I know when I make burgers and fries at home, I make oven fries, because they are healthier. I also serve vegetables as a side dish, as opposed to a quart of sugar water.

That said, the hamburgers are an easy one: they are fundamentally the same.

But the fries are not. Anyone I know who fries at home does so in 100% vegetable oil, unlike restaurants, which always use hydrogenated products unless they tell you otherwise.

Examples: McD's Fries:

French Fries:
Potatoes, vegetable oil (partially hydrogenated soybean oil, natural beef flavor (wheat and milk derivatives)*, citric acid (preservative), dextrose, sodium acid pyrophosphate (maintain color), dimethylpolysiloxane (antifoaming agent)), salt. Prepared in vegetable oil ((may contain one of the following: Canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, partially hydrogenated corn oil with TBHQ and citric acid added to preserve freshness), dimethylpolysiloxane added as an antifoaming agent). *CONTAINS: WHEAT AND MILK (Natural beef flavor contains hydrolyzed wheat and hydrolyzed milk as starting ingredients.)

Beef flavour - probably added to replace the flavour they used to get from tallow.

The really weird one is the folded eggs, espicially after one poster claimed that they are just pre-scrambled, far from it:

Folded Egg:
Pasteurized whole eggs, food starch-modified, soybean oil, natural flavors (botanical source), sodium acid pyrophosphate, carrageenan gum, flavor enhancer [salt, maltodextrin, natural flavor (plant source), spices, herb, turmeric (color)], monosodium phosphate, citric acid, soy lecithin. Prepared with liquid margarine. CONTAINS: EGG, SOY LECITHIN

That said, aside from the trans-fats in the fries, there is nothing really scary in the list.

I'm not defending McDonald's. Only fighting irrational myths.

As for the prescrambled eggs, most of that list is simply seasonings and a perfectly safe preservative. The rest are harmless additives to maintain a consistent color and texture.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon
Any thread about McDonalds boils down to Amused vs. everybody else.
His claim is that McDonalds food is the same as any other food out there, even food made at home. This claim has been refuted an endless number of times on this forum.
I still cannot make my ingredient list at home match the ingredient list of McDonalds. But back to the topic of the thread that Amused always derails.

People hate McDonalds because they can.

Really?

Care to explain what ingredients in a McDonald's burger you cannot match?

My facts have not been refuted. On the contrary, the nutritional info and ingredients of McDonald's foods are virtually identical to the same foods served in other restaurants, and the most popular identical foods cooked at home.

It's not about "Amused vs everyone else" because a fair number of people in this thread can see the facts and agree with me. This is facts vs myths.

I agree with Amused in this case. I just haven't bothered posting because he's been able to hold his own with anyone who tried argue that there's a fact based reason McDonalds should be avoided in favor of other restaurants.

And people will note I have never argued against people who have subjective reasons for not liking McDonald's. If you don't like the taste, that's cool. There are many foods and restaurants I don't like either.

 

[t3h l337 n3wb]

I love McDonalds because it's so cheap.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SampSon

I agree with Amused in this case. I just haven't bothered posting because he's been able to hold his own with anyone who tried argue that there's a fact based reason McDonalds should be avoided in favor of other restaurants.

Read my above post. I can name at least 50 restaurants in my local area that don't serve anything comparable to McDonalds. Is it hard to comprehend that there are restaurants out there that serve fresh food?

As a disclaimer, I have nothing against McDonalds. I actually enjoy eating it from time to time. Though comparing the quality and contents of McDonalds food against all food serving establishments and home cooking and claiming there is no difference is a joke.

Fresh food (I assume you mean preservative free) is actually quite rare in restaurants as it has no self life. The most popular chain resturants serve foods with nearly identical ingredients to the fast food joints.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon
Any thread about McDonalds boils down to Amused vs. everybody else.
His claim is that McDonalds food is the same as any other food out there, even food made at home. This claim has been refuted an endless number of times on this forum.
I still cannot make my ingredient list at home match the ingredient list of McDonalds. But back to the topic of the thread that Amused always derails.

People hate McDonalds because they can.

Really?

Care to explain what ingredients in a McDonald's burger you cannot match?

My facts have not been refuted. On the contrary, the nutritional info and ingredients of McDonald's foods are virtually identical to the same foods served in other restaurants, and the most popular identical foods cooked at home.

It's not about "Amused vs everyone else" because a fair number of people in this thread can see the facts and agree with me. This is facts vs myths.

I already did this in another thread. So I'll make this short and sweet, because it's not hard to understand.

I don't refute that the beef patties are straight up pure beef. Though there are things on McDonald's menu other than hamburgers.

Crispy Chicken Breast Filet:
Boneless, skinless chicken breast filets with rib meat, water, seasoning (salt, modified potato starch, spices, carrageenan gum, spice extractives), and sodium phosphates. Battered and breaded with: wheat flour, water, food starch-modified, bleached wheat flour, salt, spice, dextrose, egg whites, wheat gluten, and yeast, leavening (sodium acid pyrophosphate, baking soda, and monocalcium phosphate). Prepared in vegetable oil ((may contain one of the following: Canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, partially hydrogenated corn oil with TBHQ and citric acid added to preserve freshness), dimethylpolysiloxane added as an antifoaming agent). CONTAINS: WHEAT AND EGG
My breaded chicken breasts are boneless chicken (usually "all natural") and homemade breading. So how many of thoes preservatives do you use in the kitchen?

French Fries:
Potatoes, vegetable oil (partially hydrogenated soybean oil, natural beef flavor (wheat and milk derivatives)*, citric acid (preservative), dextrose, sodium acid pyrophosphate (maintain color), dimethylpolysiloxane (antifoaming agent)), salt. Prepared in vegetable oil ((may contain one of the following: Canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, partially hydrogenated corn oil with TBHQ and citric acid added to preserve freshness), dimethylpolysiloxane added as an antifoaming agent). *CONTAINS: WHEAT AND MILK (Natural beef flavor contains hydrolyzed wheat and hydrolyzed milk as starting ingredients.)
My french fries are fresh cut potatos. From this list, tell me what you use in the kitchen.

Chicken McNuggets®:
White boneless chicken, water, food starch-modified, salt, chicken flavor (autolyzed yeast extract, salt, wheat starch, natural flavoring (botanical source), safflower oil, dextrose, citric acid, rosemary), sodium phosphates, seasoning (canola oil, mono- and diglycerides, natural extractives of rosemary). Battered and breaded with: water, enriched flour (bleached wheat flour, niacin, reduced iron, thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid), yellow corn flour, food starch-modified, salt, leavening (baking soda, sodium acid pyrophosphate, sodium aluminum phosphate, monocalcium phosphate, calcium lactate), spices, wheat starch, whey, corn starch. Prepared in vegetable oil ((may contain one of the following: Canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, partially hydrogenated corn oil with TBHQ and citric acid added to preserve freshness), dimethylpolysiloxane added as an antifoaming agent). CONTAINS: WHEAT AND MILK
My chicken nuggets are made from the same material my breaded chicken breasts are made from. The only thing that has even close to that many ingredients is the breading, which has mabey 5.

Scrambled Eggs (2):
Pasteurized whole eggs with sodium acid pyrophosphate, citric acid and monosodium phosphate (all added to preserve color), nisin (preservative). Prepared with liquid margarine: Liquid soybean oil, water, partially hydrogenated cottonseed and soybean oils, salt, hydrogenated cottonseed oil, soy lecithin, mono- and diglycerides, sodium benzoate and potassium sorbate (preservative), artificial flavor, citric acid, vitamin A palmitate, beta carotene (color). CONTAINS: EGG AND SOY LECITHIN
My eggs contain, well, egg. Even better is that most are fresh and free from a local farmer, sure they don't hold in the fridge, but they are the only way to eat eggs.

The list can go on for a bit, but I think you should get the idea (or you should if you're not arguing from a particular circumstantial viewpoint, which you commonly do in order to make an argument on any given subject).

Your facts hold true when you compare preserved crap food fare with other preserved crap food fare. Sure any fast food place uses the same preserved junk as McDonalds, so do many other restaurants (mostly chains). Though you do know that there are MANY restaurants that serve real food. Food that is purchased fresh that day and served the same day. Your facts will hold true in a controlled environment. You know what I'm saying is true, please don't play dumb.

I love how people see a list of mostly seasonings and a harmless preservative as something dreadful and awful.

Now, would you care to post the ingredients from a local chain resturant, and the same most popular foods from a local supermakert?

You'll find them to be much the same.

Note I NEVER said "all." I said "most" and "most popular." What people are most likely to eat out, or at home.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: SampSon

I agree with Amused in this case. I just haven't bothered posting because he's been able to hold his own with anyone who tried argue that there's a fact based reason McDonalds should be avoided in favor of other restaurants.

Read my above post. I can name at least 50 restaurants in my local area that don't serve anything comparable to McDonalds. Is it hard to comprehend that there are restaurants out there that serve fresh food?

As a disclaimer, I have nothing against McDonalds. I actually enjoy eating it from time to time. Though comparing the quality and contents of McDonalds food against all food serving establishments and home cooking and claiming there is no difference is a joke.

I didn't think it needed to be argued whether there are healthier alternatives. When did Amused or I say that those places don't exist. The places people have been naming in this thread aren't the "fresh food" places you're describing.

Really, 50? Then you live in a unique area. Almost all the restaurants in my area are chain restaurants that aren't significantly healthier if I order a Chicken Sandwich or a Hamburger.

 

[Xecuter]

BK > McD

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: SampSon

I agree with Amused in this case. I just haven't bothered posting because he's been able to hold his own with anyone who tried argue that there's a fact based reason McDonalds should be avoided in favor of other restaurants.

Read my above post. I can name at least 50 restaurants in my local area that don't serve anything comparable to McDonalds. Is it hard to comprehend that there are restaurants out there that serve fresh food?

As a disclaimer, I have nothing against McDonalds. I actually enjoy eating it from time to time. Though comparing the quality and contents of McDonalds food against all food serving establishments and home cooking and claiming there is no difference is a joke.

I didn't think it needed to be argued whether there are healthier alternatives. When did Amused or I say that those places don't exist. The places people have been naming in this thread aren't the "fresh food" places you're describing.

Really, 50? Then you live in a unique area. Almost all the restaurants in my area are chain restaurants that aren't significantly healthier if I order a Chicken Sandwich or a Hamburger.

Yep, I never said all. I only said "most" and "most popular."

 

[TheDro]

Chic-fil-a>>>>>other fast food joints

 

[mrzed]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: mrzed

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Smartazz
Maybe that movie "Super Size Me" has something to do with it.

Supersize Me was a propaganda farce. He could have got the same results by force-feeding himself with virtually ANY food.

Hold on there sparky. If he was force-fed my lunch today (lentils with carrots, celery and spinach), he might be bored silly at the end of the month, but I'm fairly certain he would not have gained weight or had his cholesterol shoot through the roof. Do you mean to say he would have got the same results by over eating just about any food? If so, you are close to right, but missing the point entirely.

I saw the film, and I thought the main point is, a lot of Americans think you are getting something close to a proper meal there (or insert any other FF restaurant). Also, the idea that portion sizes have got out of control is true, and fast food restaurants are part of the problem. Sure, individual self-control is the number one thing, people know it's not exactly health food, but they fail to realise how bad it is, and how eating even a few meals a week there can have a real impact on health. The reason he chose McD's is, they are representative of fast food in general. Some are slightly better, some are worse.

IMO, KFC, or as I call it, Dirty Bird, is the very nastiest, both in health and taste.

On the contray: Spurlock showed amazing self control during his film.

He had the ability to eat when not hungry. In fact, he had the ability to force feed himself three times his normal calorie intake. He regularly ate past the point of feeling physically ill.

You do that with virtually ANY foods, and you'll suffer the same ill effects. They are the same effects Geese who are force fed to make Foie Gras suffer... by being force fed grain.

Huh? Not sure how you missed my point, but the idea is, many people think McDonalds meals (among others) are a viable option as a normal part of your diet. The portion sizes on offer are part of that.

Remember, this is a film we are talking about, not a placebo controlled, double-blind study. The point it was making is that fast food contributes to the obesity epidemic, not causes it. While Spurlock had to choke it down, many people eat those portions on a regular basis, and they suffer the ill effects.

And saying the results would be the same with any food is just foolish, caloric balance is part of the issue, but so is fat, sugar, salt, and lack of nutrients. If he overate spinach salads, pears, and beans to the same calorie count, it would still impact, but not the same way.