How come in Christianity....

[Eli]

Why do you say "G-d"?

 

[tantos]

ALL CHRISTIANITY THREADS = Flyermax2k3 SPOUTING ABOUT HOW GREAT A CHRISTIAN HE IS..ALL HAIL THE ONLY TRUE BELIEVER.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: marquee
I had a christian friend who was trying convert a hindu friend. The hindu friend asked the same question, 'what happens to people who've never heard about christianity?'

the christian friend responded that God made special considerations to people who were never offered the chance to believe.

my hindu friend replied, 'gee thanks, now you've just ruined my chances.'

That is the biggest crock of $hit I have ever heard

You want to make a holyroller squirm ask them these questions:

1)Why does God allow all men who died before christianity was observed to go to hell?

2) How do you explain the existence of Dinosaurs

3) Why does God allow men to Kill other men when he has the power to stop it?

4) Why do people who have religion look down on people who have no when religion because we are all God's children?


sysadmin

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: marquee
I had a christian friend who was trying convert a hindu friend. The hindu friend asked the same question, 'what happens to people who've never heard about christianity?'

the christian friend responded that God made special considerations to people who were never offered the chance to believe.

my hindu friend replied, 'gee thanks, now you've just ruined my chances.'

That is the biggest crock of $hit I have ever heard

You want to make a holyroller squirm ask them these questions:

1)Why does God allow all men who died before christianity was observed to go to hell?

2) How do you explain the existence of Dinosaurs

3) Why does God allow men to Kill other men when he has the power to stop it?

4) Why do people who have religion look down on people who have no when religion because we are all God's children?


sysadmin

 

[dc]

Originally posted by: Vic
Most Christians have faith in God and believe that He has a plan for everyone, regardless of their faith or lack of. Remember that salvation is a gift from God, and is not acheived by faith OR works alone.

agreed, lots of christians forget/overlook the gift/grace part of salvation.

ephesians 2:8
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Berkut

Originally posted by: marquee
I had a christian friend who was trying convert a hindu friend. The hindu friend asked the same question, 'what happens to people who've never heard about christianity?'

the christian friend responded that God made special considerations to people who were never offered the chance to believe.

my hindu friend replied, 'gee thanks, now you've just ruined my chances.'

Absolutely, your Xian friend just commited what must be the worst possible crime, he has likely damned your Hindu friend to an eternity of hell.

In fact, while serial child murderers must be praised for their desire to see as many as possible enjoy salvation, missionaries are quite likely some of the most evil people the world has ever seen - by their actions they damn millions to an eternity of hell. Stalin has nothing on them, all he did was kill 30 million mortal bodies, how much worse to kill someones immortal soul?

That's awesome. ROFL.

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: Eli
Why do you say "G-d"?

"Thou shalt not take the L-RD's name in vain"

To associate the L-RD's Holy name with anything that is not Holy is blasphemy, and, as such, is taking His name in vain.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Vic
Flyermax2k3, quit trolling. It's been pretty firmly established by now that you're a false Christian.

Prove it. Prove that I am not a Christian. Look into my heart and judge me according to what is found there.
Only G-d knows what lies in any man's heart, not you, or I, or any other man on the face of this earth.

I just read your posts, man...

Oh, and before someone (or you) tries to allege this, I am NOT attempting to "condemn you to hell" (as though such a thing would be possible for me to do

). I'm just calling a thistle a thistle.
Like you said, only God knows what lies in any man's heart, and only He decides.

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: tantos
ALL CHRISTIANITY THREADS = Flyermax2k3 SPOUTING ABOUT HOW GREAT A CHRISTIAN HE IS..ALL HAIL THE ONLY TRUE BELIEVER.

I've never said that nor even implied that. The fact that you have come to this conclusion simply demonstrates your hate for me.
I'm not perfect in ANY way. Not in my faith or my beliefs. I am as prone to make a mistake as any other man.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Eli
Why do you say "G-d"?

Because he's an idiot.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: tantos
ALL CHRISTIANITY THREADS = Flyermax2k3 SPOUTING ABOUT HOW GREAT A CHRISTIAN HE IS..ALL HAIL THE ONLY TRUE BELIEVER.

I've never said that nor even implied that. The fact that you have come to this conclusion simply demonstrates your hate for me.
I'm not perfect in ANY way. Not in my faith or my beliefs. I am as prone to make a mistake as any other man.

Ah, you're more prone than most people here. And yes you did imply that, since tantos has come to the same conclusion as everybody else: that you're a trolling asshole.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Eli
Why do you say "G-d"?

"Thou shalt not take the L-RD's name in vain"

To associate the L-RD's Holy name with anything that is not Holy is blasphemy, and, as such, is taking His name in vain.

....

Ok, you just crossed over into the "bizzare" camp.

If you're going to follow the whole thing, he created computers, he gave Anand the spark of an idea that led to Anandtech, and therefor, ATOT.. perhaps specifically so we could be having this dicsussion right now.

Inanimate objects are not inheirently "holy", or "evil", that depends on who uses it.

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: tantos
ALL CHRISTIANITY THREADS = Flyermax2k3 SPOUTING ABOUT HOW GREAT A CHRISTIAN HE IS..ALL HAIL THE ONLY TRUE BELIEVER.

I've never said that nor even implied that. The fact that you have come to this conclusion simply demonstrates your hate for me.
I'm not perfect in ANY way. Not in my faith or my beliefs. I am as prone to make a mistake as any other man.

Ah, you're more prone than most people here. And yes you did imply that, since tantos has come to the same conclusion as everybody else: that you're a trolling asshole.

Thanks for the comments, Skoorb. I'll be sure to file them away in the "useless intarweb b.s." section of my brain

 

[Excelsior]

This is a bit off-topic, but does anyone else have a problem when someone says "He is just a good christian man" or "They are good christian people". My parents say it all the time and it pisses me off. As someone else said, there are good and bad people in every religion just as there are good/bad agnostics/athiests. One can follow his own set of morals and still be considered a good person without being a part of any religion.

I also don't see how someone who goes through his or her life doing everything they can to be helpful, caring, unselfish, etc could condemned to hell, but then again, who knows if it really exists or not. I grew up in a Baptist family, but have questioned religion/faith as a whole for a very long time, and I am only 17. Every now and then I stop and try to fathom what happens after we die. It boggles my mind...no one really knows, it could be anything.

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Eli
Why do you say "G-d"?

"Thou shalt not take the L-RD's name in vain"

To associate the L-RD's Holy name with anything that is not Holy is blasphemy, and, as such, is taking His name in vain.

....

Ok, you just crossed over into the "bizzare" camp.

If you're going to follow the whole thing, he created computers, and therefor, ATOT.. perhaps specifically so we could be having this dicsussion right now.

Inanimate objects are not inheirently "holy", or "evil", that depends on who uses it.

Hmm..... Guess millions of Orthodox Jews around the world are "bizarre" as well, then?
Try saying what you just said to me to a Jew's face and see what reaction you get.

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

I see someone let the troll loose.

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: Excelsior
This is a bit off-topic, but does anyone else have a problem when someone says "He is just a good christian man" or "They are good christian people". My parents say it all the time and it pisses me off. As someone else said, there are good and bad people in every religion just as there are good/bad agnostics/athiests. One can follow his own set of morals and still be considered a good person without being a part of any religion.

I also don't see how someone who goes through his or her life doing everything they can to be helpful, caring, unselfish, etc could condemned to hell, but then again, who knows if it really exists or not. I grew up in a Baptist family, but have questioned religion/faith as a whole for a very long time, and I am only 17. Every now and then I stop and try to fathom what happens after we die. It boggles my mind...no one really knows, it could be anything.

Your question raises another in my mind: do you get offended when someone says "He is a good Muslim" or "He is a good Hindu"? (or any other religion for that matter) In your parents' minds, it is good to be a Christian just as in the minds of a Muslim it is good to be a Muslim.
I see nothing wrong with that.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Eli
Why do you say "G-d"?

"Thou shalt not take the L-RD's name in vain"

To associate the L-RD's Holy name with anything that is not Holy is blasphemy, and, as such, is taking His name in vain.

....

Ok, you just crossed over into the "bizzare" camp.

If you're going to follow the whole thing, he created computers, and therefor, ATOT.. perhaps specifically so we could be having this dicsussion right now.

Inanimate objects are not inheirently "holy", or "evil", that depends on who uses it.

Hmm..... Guess millions of Orthodox Jews around the world are "bizarre" as well, then?
Try saying what you just said to me to a Jew's face and see what reaction you get.

Preach it, troll.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Excelsior
This is a bit off-topic, but does anyone else have a problem when someone says "He is just a good christian man" or "They are good christian people". My parents say it all the time and it pisses me off. As someone else said, there are good and bad people in every religion just as there are good/bad agnostics/athiests. One can follow his own set of morals and still be considered a good person without being a part of any religion.

I also don't see how someone who goes through his or her life doing everything they can to be helpful, caring, unselfish, etc could condemned to hell, but then again, who knows if it really exists or not. I grew up in a Baptist family, but have questioned religion/faith as a whole for a very long time, and I am only 17. Every now and then I stop and try to fathom what happens after we die. It boggles my mind...no one really knows, it could be anything.

Your question raises another in my mind: do you get offended when someone says "He is a good Muslim" or "He is a good Hindu"? (or any other religion for that matter) In your parents' minds, it is good to be a Christian just as in the minds of a Muslim it is good to be a Muslim.
I see nothing wrong with that.

Yes, I would, because a good person is a good person. No, in their mind, being christian makes you good or better than you were.

 

[LAUST]

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[Eli]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Eli
Why do you say "G-d"?

"Thou shalt not take the L-RD's name in vain"

To associate the L-RD's Holy name with anything that is not Holy is blasphemy, and, as such, is taking His name in vain.

....

Ok, you just crossed over into the "bizzare" camp.

If you're going to follow the whole thing, he created computers, and therefor, ATOT.. perhaps specifically so we could be having this dicsussion right now.

Inanimate objects are not inheirently "holy", or "evil", that depends on who uses it.

Hmm..... Guess millions of Orthodox Jews around the world are "bizarre" as well, then?
Try saying what you just said to me to a Jew's face and see what reaction you get.

What?

I didn't say the law about using the Lord's name in vain is "bizzare", I said that censoring it online because you think its in vain is bizzare. Or maybe you were censoring it because of the content of your sentences..

Regardless, if you think it even really matters, you've got another thing comming. You should probably care more about the sh!t comming out of your automobiles tail pipe.

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Excelsior
This is a bit off-topic, but does anyone else have a problem when someone says "He is just a good christian man" or "They are good christian people". My parents say it all the time and it pisses me off. As someone else said, there are good and bad people in every religion just as there are good/bad agnostics/athiests. One can follow his own set of morals and still be considered a good person without being a part of any religion.

I also don't see how someone who goes through his or her life doing everything they can to be helpful, caring, unselfish, etc could condemned to hell, but then again, who knows if it really exists or not. I grew up in a Baptist family, but have questioned religion/faith as a whole for a very long time, and I am only 17. Every now and then I stop and try to fathom what happens after we die. It boggles my mind...no one really knows, it could be anything.

Your question raises another in my mind: do you get offended when someone says "He is a good Muslim" or "He is a good Hindu"? (or any other religion for that matter) In your parents' minds, it is good to be a Christian just as in the minds of a Muslim it is good to be a Muslim.
I see nothing wrong with that.

Yes, I would, because a good person is a good person. No, in their mind, being christian makes you good or better than you were.

It's just someone else's opinion, though. If you get offended by other people's opinions then you'd better go hide in a cave somewhere because you're in for a long, tough life otherwise.
If someone thinks being a "good Christian" is something to live up to then who are you to say they're wrong?
Whether or not you accept the truth of G-d's word and the salvation of Yeshua, one has to admit that the principles of Christianity are something for most everyone to aspire to...

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Excelsior
This is a bit off-topic, but does anyone else have a problem when someone says "He is just a good christian man" or "They are good christian people". My parents say it all the time and it pisses me off. As someone else said, there are good and bad people in every religion just as there are good/bad agnostics/athiests. One can follow his own set of morals and still be considered a good person without being a part of any religion.

I also don't see how someone who goes through his or her life doing everything they can to be helpful, caring, unselfish, etc could condemned to hell, but then again, who knows if it really exists or not. I grew up in a Baptist family, but have questioned religion/faith as a whole for a very long time, and I am only 17. Every now and then I stop and try to fathom what happens after we die. It boggles my mind...no one really knows, it could be anything.

Well... I agree with you in part, but Christianity is more than a religion, it is a moral philosophy and code. If a person or people live up to that moral code, then they could be called "good Christian people", etc. The part that I agree with you is that that phrase is abused, and many dishonest "ravening wolves" hide under the sheep's clothing of being a "good christian" in order to more easily abuse others.

For your 2nd part, as I believe that in order to be a good person like you described, one must have faith in something greater than themselves, therefore I believe that they also may know salvation, though I believe that decision is entirely up to God.
As for what happens after we die, who knows? The only certainty is that everyone dies. In the meantime, my $0.02 to you would be to not worry too much about it, i.e. don't be the hyprocrite who does good works just to hope for salvation, be the good person who is good because they love people and want to be good (if that makes sense ).

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Eli
Why do you say "G-d"?

"Thou shalt not take the L-RD's name in vain"

To associate the L-RD's Holy name with anything that is not Holy is blasphemy, and, as such, is taking His name in vain.

....

Ok, you just crossed over into the "bizzare" camp.

If you're going to follow the whole thing, he created computers, and therefor, ATOT.. perhaps specifically so we could be having this dicsussion right now.

Inanimate objects are not inheirently "holy", or "evil", that depends on who uses it.

Hmm..... Guess millions of Orthodox Jews around the world are "bizarre" as well, then?
Try saying what you just said to me to a Jew's face and see what reaction you get.

What?

I didn't say the law about using the Lord's name in vain is "bizzare", I said that censoring it online because you think its in vain is bizzare. Or maybe you were censoring it because of the content of your sentences..

Regardless, if you think it even really matters, you've got another thing comming. You should probably care more about the sh!t comming out of your automobiles tail pipe.

Well, I'll just hold onto my opinion and you can keep yours, fair enough? However, I'll refrain from bashing yours
G-d says don't associate His name with anything which is not Holy so I try my hardest not to.
I don't see what's so "bizarre" about that.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Excelsior
This is a bit off-topic, but does anyone else have a problem when someone says "He is just a good christian man" or "They are good christian people". My parents say it all the time and it pisses me off. As someone else said, there are good and bad people in every religion just as there are good/bad agnostics/athiests. One can follow his own set of morals and still be considered a good person without being a part of any religion.

I also don't see how someone who goes through his or her life doing everything they can to be helpful, caring, unselfish, etc could condemned to hell, but then again, who knows if it really exists or not. I grew up in a Baptist family, but have questioned religion/faith as a whole for a very long time, and I am only 17. Every now and then I stop and try to fathom what happens after we die. It boggles my mind...no one really knows, it could be anything.

Your question raises another in my mind: do you get offended when someone says "He is a good Muslim" or "He is a good Hindu"? (or any other religion for that matter) In your parents' minds, it is good to be a Christian just as in the minds of a Muslim it is good to be a Muslim.
I see nothing wrong with that.

Yes, I would, because a good person is a good person. No, in their mind, being christian makes you good or better than you were.

It's just someone else's opinion, though. If you get offended by other people's opinions then you'd better go hide in a cave somewhere because you're in for a long, tough life otherwise.
If someone thinks being a "good Christian" is something to live up to then who are you to say they're wrong?
Whether or not you accept the truth of G-d's word and the salvation of Yeshua, one has to admit that the principles of Christianity are something for most everyone to aspire to...

Finally, some sense.

And I agree. So what's the point of being a Christian again, if the only point is to make you a good, moral person? IF that was the only point, I would have no problem with it. But it is used for far more than that.

Morals are independant of religion, remember.