How come in Christianity....

[cmdavid]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Eli
Why do you say "G-d"?

Because he's an idiot.

whats with all the personal attacks on FlyerMax?
He hasn't stated anything in this thread besides his opinion...

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Excelsior
This is a bit off-topic, but does anyone else have a problem when someone says "He is just a good christian man" or "They are good christian people". My parents say it all the time and it pisses me off. As someone else said, there are good and bad people in every religion just as there are good/bad agnostics/athiests. One can follow his own set of morals and still be considered a good person without being a part of any religion.

I also don't see how someone who goes through his or her life doing everything they can to be helpful, caring, unselfish, etc could condemned to hell, but then again, who knows if it really exists or not. I grew up in a Baptist family, but have questioned religion/faith as a whole for a very long time, and I am only 17. Every now and then I stop and try to fathom what happens after we die. It boggles my mind...no one really knows, it could be anything.

Your question raises another in my mind: do you get offended when someone says "He is a good Muslim" or "He is a good Hindu"? (or any other religion for that matter) In your parents' minds, it is good to be a Christian just as in the minds of a Muslim it is good to be a Muslim.
I see nothing wrong with that.

Yes, I would, because a good person is a good person. No, in their mind, being christian makes you good or better than you were.

It's just someone else's opinion, though. If you get offended by other people's opinions then you'd better go hide in a cave somewhere because you're in for a long, tough life otherwise.
If someone thinks being a "good Christian" is something to live up to then who are you to say they're wrong?
Whether or not you accept the truth of G-d's word and the salvation of Yeshua, one has to admit that the principles of Christianity are something for most everyone to aspire to...

....
I don't know many people that are never offended by anyones opinion.
And there are other religions which have principles that are very similar. Remember, religion is used to control the masses, and ever since religion has existed, it has done that quite well.

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

I know agnostics and athiests who are must better "christians" than some of the religous people I know.

Atleast according to the follow the teachings definition.

 

[azazyel]

Just to help out

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Eli
Why do you say "G-d"?

"Thou shalt not take the L-RD's name in vain"

To associate the L-RD's Holy name with anything that is not Holy is blasphemy, and, as such, is taking His name in vain.

....

Ok, you just crossed over into the "bizzare" camp.

If you're going to follow the whole thing, he created computers, and therefor, ATOT.. perhaps specifically so we could be having this dicsussion right now.

Inanimate objects are not inheirently "holy", or "evil", that depends on who uses it.

Hmm..... Guess millions of Orthodox Jews around the world are "bizarre" as well, then?
Try saying what you just said to me to a Jew's face and see what reaction you get.

What?

I didn't say the law about using the Lord's name in vain is "bizzare", I said that censoring it online because you think its in vain is bizzare. Or maybe you were censoring it because of the content of your sentences..

Regardless, if you think it even really matters, you've got another thing comming. You should probably care more about the sh!t comming out of your automobiles tail pipe.

Well, I'll just hold onto my opinion and you can keep yours, fair enough? However, I'll refrain from bashing yours
G-d says don't associate His name with anything which is not Holy so I try my hardest not to.
I don't see what's so "bizarre" about that.

I guess it's not, but where is the unholy part comming from?

Is your keyboard unholy?

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: cmdavid

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Eli
Why do you say "G-d"?

Because he's an idiot.

whats with all the personal attacks on FlyerMax?
He hasn't stated anything in this thread besides his opinion...

Thanks :beer:

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Well, I'll just hold onto my opinion and you can keep yours, fair enough? However, I'll refrain from bashing yours
G-d says don't associate His name with anything which is not Holy so I try my hardest not to.
I don't see what's so "bizarre" about that.

Do you have difficulty understanding basic symbolism and the perception of?

If you believe that mentioning His Name is always the same as using it in vain, then you are still using it in vain whether you type God or G-d, Lord or L-rd, as the intent, which is to represent His Name, is still there. I hope you can grasp this very simple concept.

edit: I much prefer the honest and intelligent Islamic way of avoiding the blasphemy when saying His Name, which is to follow it with a praise saying, like "Peace be with Him" or "Praised be His Name".

 

[Crazymofo]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Eli
Why do you say "G-d"?

"Thou shalt not take the L-RD's name in vain"

To associate the L-RD's Holy name with anything that is not Holy is blasphemy, and, as such, is taking His name in vain.

....

Ok, you just crossed over into the "bizzare" camp.

If you're going to follow the whole thing, he created computers, and therefor, ATOT.. perhaps specifically so we could be having this dicsussion right now.

Inanimate objects are not inheirently "holy", or "evil", that depends on who uses it.

Hmm..... Guess millions of Orthodox Jews around the world are "bizarre" as well, then?
Try saying what you just said to me to a Jew's face and see what reaction you get.

What?

I didn't say the law about using the Lord's name in vain is "bizzare", I said that censoring it online because you think its in vain is bizzare. Or maybe you were censoring it because of the content of your sentences..

Regardless, if you think it even really matters, you've got another thing comming. You should probably care more about the sh!t comming out of your automobiles tail pipe.

Well, I'll just hold onto my opinion and you can keep yours, fair enough? However, I'll refrain from bashing yours
G-d says don't associate His name with anything which is not Holy so I try my hardest not to.
I don't see what's so "bizarre" about that.

News flash buddy!! By typing G-d you are still implying his name in the BS that you type so im my humble opinion you ARE using his name in vain... somebody kill this troll so he can go where he belongs... HELL!

 

[xSauronx]

i dont recall where, as i havent read more than a few snippets of the Bible in some time...but it seems like theres a part about a lack of understanding which is usually taken as:

if they dont know any better, they cant be punished by hell. like with a baby, could that man tell you that a newborn that died was in hell? the newborn has no choice, no option, no way to conceive such a thing as heaven or hell, or religion, or anything really for that matter.

as such, in regards to christianity, someone who has never heard of it (be they "good" or "bad" people) has no way to know anything other than what they were taught, and as such, cant be held accountable due to "lack of understanding" of being "saved"

like i said, i remember hearing a message on it (seems like ive probably heard 2 or 3 really)

but its been a while and i dont recall what part of the bible it may have come from.

<---- im not really any help, bah

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Eli
Why do you say "G-d"?

"Thou shalt not take the L-RD's name in vain"

To associate the L-RD's Holy name with anything that is not Holy is blasphemy, and, as such, is taking His name in vain.

....

Ok, you just crossed over into the "bizzare" camp.

If you're going to follow the whole thing, he created computers, and therefor, ATOT.. perhaps specifically so we could be having this dicsussion right now.

Inanimate objects are not inheirently "holy", or "evil", that depends on who uses it.

Hmm..... Guess millions of Orthodox Jews around the world are "bizarre" as well, then?
Try saying what you just said to me to a Jew's face and see what reaction you get.

What?

I didn't say the law about using the Lord's name in vain is "bizzare", I said that censoring it online because you think its in vain is bizzare. Or maybe you were censoring it because of the content of your sentences..

Regardless, if you think it even really matters, you've got another thing comming. You should probably care more about the sh!t comming out of your automobiles tail pipe.

Well, I'll just hold onto my opinion and you can keep yours, fair enough? However, I'll refrain from bashing yours
G-d says don't associate His name with anything which is not Holy so I try my hardest not to.
I don't see what's so "bizarre" about that.

I guess it's not, but where is the unholy part comming from?

Is your keyboard unholy?

Sorry, I should have clarified what I meant by "un-Holy".
IMHO, anything which has not been ordained by G-d as Holy is simply not Holy.
G-d certainly hasn't ordained typing text on teh intarweb as Holy, so I refrain from using His name in such a manner.
See? Not so difficult

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

I thought the unholy thing was saying

god f***ing d*** it!

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Eli
Why do you say "G-d"?

"Thou shalt not take the L-RD's name in vain"

To associate the L-RD's Holy name with anything that is not Holy is blasphemy, and, as such, is taking His name in vain.

....

Ok, you just crossed over into the "bizzare" camp.

If you're going to follow the whole thing, he created computers, and therefor, ATOT.. perhaps specifically so we could be having this dicsussion right now.

Inanimate objects are not inheirently "holy", or "evil", that depends on who uses it.

Hmm..... Guess millions of Orthodox Jews around the world are "bizarre" as well, then?
Try saying what you just said to me to a Jew's face and see what reaction you get.

What?

I didn't say the law about using the Lord's name in vain is "bizzare", I said that censoring it online because you think its in vain is bizzare. Or maybe you were censoring it because of the content of your sentences..

Regardless, if you think it even really matters, you've got another thing comming. You should probably care more about the sh!t comming out of your automobiles tail pipe.

Well, I'll just hold onto my opinion and you can keep yours, fair enough? However, I'll refrain from bashing yours
G-d says don't associate His name with anything which is not Holy so I try my hardest not to.
I don't see what's so "bizarre" about that.

Do you have difficulty understanding basic symbolism and the perception of?

If you believe that mentioning His Name is always the same as using it in vain, then you are still using it in vain whether you type God or G-d, Lord or L-rd, as the intent, which is to represent His Name, is still there. I hope you can grasp this very simple concept.

edit: I much prefer the honest and intelligent Islamic way of avoiding the blasphemy when saying His Name, which is to follow it with a praise saying, like "Peace be with Him" or "Praised be His Name".

You have your opinion, and I have mine.
Why are you so offended by my opinion of the word of G-d?
Does it threaten you in some manner?

I've explained why I do what I do, and I don't believe anything else is necessarry. I certainly don't have to justify my beliefs to you or any other man.
Someone asked a question, I chipped in my two cents. Since when has this become a crime?
You people are ready to crucify me because of my beliefs, and that's fine with me. "somebody kill this troll so he can go where he belongs... HELL!" Point proven.

 

[azazyel]

Flyermax2k3 - - Now, I am not really that familiar with your brand of Christianity but from what I gather it is a merging of Judaism and Christianity? If so I was just wondering what your thoughts of the Rabbi Hillel are? It just seems like some of the things you have been saying really contradict his teachings.

 

[Flyermax2k3]

My beliefs are based on the word of G-d in it's entirety (what is available to us, anyway). I don't follow any particular religion or sect, nor do I "blend beliefs from various religions". I believe the word of G-d is universal, and that it is applicable to all mankind (including modern day man).
Concerning the thoughts of any man, whether he be "religious" or scholarly or what have you: G-d says to let no man deceive nor to let any man guide your beliefs. This is not to say that no one's opinion is valid, simply to take everything with a grain of salt.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: xEDIT409
How come in Christianity, they believe that if one is not Christian or if they do not follow Jesus... something along those lines... they will go to hell?

I'm in a World Religions class, and today, we had a Minister come in as a guest speaker. When he said this, I asked him,

"Well sir, I'm Hindu, and so is my entire family. Back in India, my grandparents live in a remote agricultural village where Christianity or any other relgion except Hinduism and maybe Islam, don't exist. My grandparents are the nicest people I have ever met. They both used to be elementary teachers, they've contributed much of their time and money to their community, and overall, they're very good people. So which leads to my question... are they going to hell because they don't even know Christianity is a religon?

His response: "I'm very sorry to say, but, yes, they will be going to hell"

My reaction: :disgust: +

+ :Q + (A mix of those)

It seems odd that they are teachers and they don't know Christianity is a religion.

 

[Berkut]

Originally posted by: Vic
Second, what is death to God? From His perspective, it could be seen as a release from the burden of the toiling existence on earth. We are His creations - He giveth and He taketh away.

Exactly, this is why it is ok to commit genocide, as long as God commands it!

Like he commanded Joshua to butcher every man, woman, and child in the city he conquered.

And like he commanded Jim Jones to have his followers drink the Special Kool-Ade (tm)

 

[azazyel]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
My beliefs are based on the word of G-d in it's entirety (what is available to us, anyway). I don't follow any particular religion or sect, nor do I "blend beliefs from various religions". I believe the word of G-d is universal, and that it is applicable to all mankind (including modern day man).
Concerning the thoughts of any man, whether he be "religious" or scholarly or what have you: G-d says to let no man deceive nor to let any man guide your beliefs. This is not to say that no one's opinion is valid, simply to take everything with a grain of salt.

So, you believe in the book of Morman and the Koran?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
You have your opinion, and I have mine.
Why are you so offended by my opinion of the word of G-d?
Does it threaten you in some manner?

I've explained why I do what I do, and I don't believe anything else is necessarry. I certainly don't have to justify my beliefs to you or any other man.
Someone asked a question, I chipped in my two cents. Since when has this become a crime?
You people are ready to crucify me because of my beliefs, and that's fine with me. "somebody kill this troll so he can go where he belongs... HELL!" Point proven.

I merely find it ignorant at best, hypocritical at worst.

And do not lump me in with the sayings of others. Much as I think you would like me to, I will say for the 2nd time that I have not crucified you or condemned you to hell, nor will I. If you had bothered to read any of my posts in this thread, you would find that such thinking and actions are contrary to my core beliefs.

I simply doubt your true faith, and sincerely question your actual knowledge of religion and Christianity and, as such, I dislike your pretending to represent Christians here on this board.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Berkut

Originally posted by: Vic
Second, what is death to God? From His perspective, it could be seen as a release from the burden of the toiling existence on earth. We are His creations - He giveth and He taketh away.

Exactly, this is why it is ok to commit genocide, as long as God commands it!

Like he commanded Joshua to butcher every man, woman, and child in the city he conquered.

And like he commanded Jim Jones to have his followers drink the Special Kool-Ade (tm)

Twisting the words of another person into a form that they did not intend is a dishonesty of the worst sort. You show your true colors... begone.

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: azazyel

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
My beliefs are based on the word of G-d in it's entirety (what is available to us, anyway). I don't follow any particular religion or sect, nor do I "blend beliefs from various religions". I believe the word of G-d is universal, and that it is applicable to all mankind (including modern day man).
Concerning the thoughts of any man, whether he be "religious" or scholarly or what have you: G-d says to let no man deceive nor to let any man guide your beliefs. This is not to say that no one's opinion is valid, simply to take everything with a grain of salt.

So, you believe in the book of Morman and the Koran?

Nope. The Quran has nothing to do with G-d, IMHO. I've never read the Book of Mormon, but I doubt it's validity simply because of the story of it's origin. Of course, only Joseph Smith and G-d really know if it's real or not

 

[maziwanka]

i keep reading this as "how come in chemistry...."

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
You have your opinion, and I have mine.
Why are you so offended by my opinion of the word of G-d?
Does it threaten you in some manner?

I've explained why I do what I do, and I don't believe anything else is necessarry. I certainly don't have to justify my beliefs to you or any other man.
Someone asked a question, I chipped in my two cents. Since when has this become a crime?
You people are ready to crucify me because of my beliefs, and that's fine with me. "somebody kill this troll so he can go where he belongs... HELL!" Point proven.

I merely find it ignorant at best, hypocritical at worst.

And do not lump me in with the sayings of others. Much as I think you would like me to, I will say for the 2nd time that I have not crucified you or condemned you to hell, nor will I. If you had bothered to read any of my posts in this thread, you would find that such thinking and actions are contrary to my core beliefs.

I simply doubt your true faith, and sincerely question your actual knowledge of religion and Christianity and, as such, I dislike your pretending to represent Christians here on this board.

I've never claimed to represent anyone other than myself. In fact, I've stated several times that I am wholly different from the vast majority of Christians, as are my beliefs.
Your hate for me is apparent in your words, and that's fine. Deny it all you like, but it's pretty obvious you don't like me, to say the least

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: cmdavid

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Eli
Why do you say "G-d"?

Because he's an idiot.

whats with all the personal attacks on FlyerMax?
He hasn't stated anything in this thread besides his opinion...

He's a known troll and reaps what he sows.

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Berkut

Originally posted by: Vic
Second, what is death to God? From His perspective, it could be seen as a release from the burden of the toiling existence on earth. We are His creations - He giveth and He taketh away.

Exactly, this is why it is ok to commit genocide, as long as God commands it!

Like he commanded Joshua to butcher every man, woman, and child in the city he conquered.

And like he commanded Jim Jones to have his followers drink the Special Kool-Ade (tm)

Twisting the words of another person into a form that they did not intend is a dishonesty of the worst sort. You show your true colors... begone.

Sometimes the best advice for ourselves is that which we give to others.

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: cmdavid

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Eli
Why do you say "G-d"?

Because he's an idiot.

whats with all the personal attacks on FlyerMax?
He hasn't stated anything in this thread besides his opinion...

He's a known troll and reaps what he sows.

Does calling a tail a leg make it so? Simply because you claim I am a troll does not make it so. My words speak for themselves, as do yours.