Originally posted by: Skoorb
My Lord, you haven't even read the commandments.Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: Berkut
The way to really get them going is to follow that up with
"Well, that is unfortunate. What about 'innocents', such as they are? Does an infant who dies in childbirth go to hell? One who dies at 6 months? 6 years? What is the dividing line, if there is one? If there is no dividing line, i.e. all that are not Christian go to hell then surely the Christian god is a monster, since he sends infants to eternal torture while not giving them an opportunity to be saved."
Typically you get some version of "God does not punish innocents, they go to limbo or straight to heaven or something along those lines. Of course, the response to that then is "Then shouldn't we kill all infnats before they get the opportunity to reject your God? Wouldn't it be better for an infant to die and be saved rather than live and risk the likelihood that they will not accept Christ?"
Fun with Xians!
Biblically speaking, anyone under the age of 20 is not considered to be an adult, and is, therefore, still an innocent.uh uh. There is a right and wrong. There is fact, and there is fiction. Just because you can't pin point it doesn't mean that there isn't one.but there is no right or wrong
Like I said, you haven't read the commandments.Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Wow, way to prove me wrong there, Skoorb! Boy, you sure got me on that one!
Originally posted by: xEDIT409
Originally posted by: RishiS
As a Hindu, you shouldn't even believe in the existence of a heaven and hell, so while his answer did deserve a, your question isn't even really a valid one, assuming you follow the Hindu beliefs.
Aw naw, I don't believe in heaven and hell. I am a firm Hindu... I just wanted ask the question to see what his response would be. I was merely curious as to what he would say.
Kinda stupid of Christianity to believe/say this if you ask me. They say jesus loves everyone...well ok...everyone definitely includes 5 billion people out there who are NOT Christian so 80% of the world's populations is gonna go to hell thru this "allmerciful lord".
Originally posted by: xEDIT409
Originally posted by: RishiS
As a Hindu, you shouldn't even believe in the existence of a heaven and hell, so while his answer did deserve a, your question isn't even really a valid one, assuming you follow the Hindu beliefs.
Aw naw, I don't believe in heaven and hell. I am a firm Hindu... I just wanted ask the question to see what his response would be. I was merely curious as to what he would say.
Kinda stupid of Christianity to believe/say this if you ask me. They say jesus loves everyone...well ok...everyone definitely includes 5 billion people out there who are NOT Christian so 80% of the world's populations is gonna go to hell thru this "allmerciful lord".
Originally posted by: Amorphus
Originally posted by: Berkut
The way to really get them going is to follow that up with
"Well, that is unfortunate. What about 'innocents', such as they are? Does an infant who dies in childbirth go to hell? One who dies at 6 months? 6 years? What is the dividing line, if there is one? If there is no dividing line, i.e. all that are not Christian go to hell then surely the Christian god is a monster, since he sends infants to eternal torture while not giving them an opportunity to be saved."
Typically you get some version of "God does not punish innocents, they go to limbo or straight to heaven or something along those lines. Of course, the response to that then is "Then shouldn't we kill all infnats before they get the opportunity to reject your God? Wouldn't it be better for an infant to die and be saved rather than live and risk the likelihood that they will not accept Christ?"
Fun with Xians!
There's an age of the counting, where before that age you are not held responsible for your actions. It's not said exactly at what age it is, but it is there.
Also, murder is murder. Life on Earth is an experience that has been deemed good and desirable by God, and thus we protect it, as far as we can.
If you're going to mock something, please know what you're talking about, first.
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: xEDIT409
Originally posted by: RishiS
As a Hindu, you shouldn't even believe in the existence of a heaven and hell, so while his answer did deserve a, your question isn't even really a valid one, assuming you follow the Hindu beliefs.
Aw naw, I don't believe in heaven and hell. I am a firm Hindu... I just wanted ask the question to see what his response would be. I was merely curious as to what he would say.
Kinda stupid of Christianity to believe/say this if you ask me. They say jesus loves everyone...well ok...everyone definitely includes 5 billion people out there who are NOT Christian so 80% of the world's populations is gonna go to hell thru this "allmerciful lord".
I agree. I am a Christian. It is my firm belief that anyone who has not heard the good news of Salvation in life will be offered a second chance in death. I believe there is Biblical evidence for this, but that's just my interpretation of G-d's word.
Surely flyer, you're no Christian. Nobody on ATOT would say you act like one.Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: xEDIT409
Originally posted by: RishiS
As a Hindu, you shouldn't even believe in the existence of a heaven and hell, so while his answer did deserve a, your question isn't even really a valid one, assuming you follow the Hindu beliefs.
Aw naw, I don't believe in heaven and hell. I am a firm Hindu... I just wanted ask the question to see what his response would be. I was merely curious as to what he would say.
Kinda stupid of Christianity to believe/say this if you ask me. They say jesus loves everyone...well ok...everyone definitely includes 5 billion people out there who are NOT Christian so 80% of the world's populations is gonna go to hell thru this "allmerciful lord".
I agree. I am a Christian. It is my firm belief that anyone who has not heard the good news of Salvation in life will be offered a second chance in death. I believe there is Biblical evidence for this, but that's just my interpretation of G-d's word.
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Like I said, you haven't read the commandments.Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Wow, way to prove me wrong there, Skoorb! Boy, you sure got me on that one!
Originally posted by: marquee
I had a christian friend who was trying convert a hindu friend. The hindu friend asked the same question, 'what happens to people who've never heard about christianity?'
the christian friend responded that God made special considerations to people who were never offered the chance to believe.
my hindu friend replied, 'gee thanks, now you've just ruined my chances.'
Originally posted by: azazyel
You can follow the teachings of Jesus without ever hearing his name. Be humble unto others and what you find hateful do not do unto another. I don't understand how Christians can get so confused with believing in Jesus and in believing what Jesus taught. Personally I believe you can be a pretty good Christian by believing the latter. It's always harder to practice what you preach. I personally don't by the whole, "Christians aren't perfect, they are just forgiven" crap.
As well all know debating with you is like taking one's head, putting it on a hard table, and hammering it with a mallet, so really there isn't much point in me even bothering.Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Like I said, you haven't read the commandments.Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Wow, way to prove me wrong there, Skoorb! Boy, you sure got me on that one!
You're just making blanket statements without any evidence to back them up. Is that the best you've got?
Originally posted by: xEDIT409
How come in Christianity, they believe that if one is not Christian or if they do not follow Jesus... something along those lines... they will go to hell?
I'm in a World Religions class, and today, we had a Minister come in as a guest speaker. When he said this, I asked him,
"Well sir, I'm Hindu, and so is my entire family. Back in India, my grandparents live in a remote agricultural village where Christianity or any other relgion except Hinduism and maybe Islam, don't exist. My grandparents are the nicest people I have ever met. They both used to be elementary teachers, they've contributed much of their time and money to their community, and overall, they're very good people. So which leads to my question... are they going to hell because they don't even know Christianity is a religon?
His response: "I'm very sorry to say, but, yes, they will be going to hell"
My reaction: :disgust: ++ :Q + (A mix of those)
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Surely flyer, you're no Christian. Nobody on ATOT would say you act like one.Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: xEDIT409
Originally posted by: RishiS
As a Hindu, you shouldn't even believe in the existence of a heaven and hell, so while his answer did deserve a, your question isn't even really a valid one, assuming you follow the Hindu beliefs.
Aw naw, I don't believe in heaven and hell. I am a firm Hindu... I just wanted ask the question to see what his response would be. I was merely curious as to what he would say.
Kinda stupid of Christianity to believe/say this if you ask me. They say jesus loves everyone...well ok...everyone definitely includes 5 billion people out there who are NOT Christian so 80% of the world's populations is gonna go to hell thru this "allmerciful lord".
I agree. I am a Christian. It is my firm belief that anyone who has not heard the good news of Salvation in life will be offered a second chance in death. I believe there is Biblical evidence for this, but that's just my interpretation of G-d's word.
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: xEDIT409
Originally posted by: RishiS
As a Hindu, you shouldn't even believe in the existence of a heaven and hell, so while his answer did deserve a, your question isn't even really a valid one, assuming you follow the Hindu beliefs.
Aw naw, I don't believe in heaven and hell. I am a firm Hindu... I just wanted ask the question to see what his response would be. I was merely curious as to what he would say.
Kinda stupid of Christianity to believe/say this if you ask me. They say jesus loves everyone...well ok...everyone definitely includes 5 billion people out there who are NOT Christian so 80% of the world's populations is gonna go to hell thru this "allmerciful lord".
I agree. I am a Christian. It is my firm belief that anyone who has not heard the good news of Salvation in life will be offered a second chance in death. I believe there is Biblical evidence for this, but that's just my interpretation of G-d's word.
That's a rather demented view, that somehow enlightening people with the word of God is damning them, all things the same.Originally posted by: Berkut
Originally posted by: marquee
I had a christian friend who was trying convert a hindu friend. The hindu friend asked the same question, 'what happens to people who've never heard about christianity?'
the christian friend responded that God made special considerations to people who were never offered the chance to believe.
my hindu friend replied, 'gee thanks, now you've just ruined my chances.'
Absolutely, your Xian friend just commited what must be the worst possible crime, he has likely damned your Hindu friend to an eternity of hell.
In fact, while serial child murderers must be praised for their desire to see as many as possible enjoy salvation, missionaries are quite likely some of the most evil people the world has ever seen - by their actions they damn millions to an eternity of hell. Stalin has nothing on them, all he did was kill 30 million mortal bodies, how much worse to kill someones immortal soul?
Thanks for making my point.Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Surely flyer, you're no Christian. Nobody on ATOT would say you act like one.Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: xEDIT409
Originally posted by: RishiS
As a Hindu, you shouldn't even believe in the existence of a heaven and hell, so while his answer did deserve a, your question isn't even really a valid one, assuming you follow the Hindu beliefs.
Aw naw, I don't believe in heaven and hell. I am a firm Hindu... I just wanted ask the question to see what his response would be. I was merely curious as to what he would say.
Kinda stupid of Christianity to believe/say this if you ask me. They say jesus loves everyone...well ok...everyone definitely includes 5 billion people out there who are NOT Christian so 80% of the world's populations is gonna go to hell thru this "allmerciful lord".
I agree. I am a Christian. It is my firm belief that anyone who has not heard the good news of Salvation in life will be offered a second chance in death. I believe there is Biblical evidence for this, but that's just my interpretation of G-d's word.
Don't you ever get tired of that? You sound like a broken record, always repeating the same things "you're not a *real* Christian, nobody on ATOT likes you, go away! die die die!!!!! you're an idiot, you don't know what you're talking about, troll!!!"
I don't care if you or anyone else on ATOT believes that I am a Christian, I'll leave that judgment up to G-d. It doesn't say in Revelation that "ATOT shall judge the world on Judgment Day", in case you forgot
The sad thing is that some people do actually think like that.....Originally posted by: Berkut
Originally posted by: Amorphus
Originally posted by: Berkut
The way to really get them going is to follow that up with
"Well, that is unfortunate. What about 'innocents', such as they are? Does an infant who dies in childbirth go to hell? One who dies at 6 months? 6 years? What is the dividing line, if there is one? If there is no dividing line, i.e. all that are not Christian go to hell then surely the Christian god is a monster, since he sends infants to eternal torture while not giving them an opportunity to be saved."
Typically you get some version of "God does not punish innocents, they go to limbo or straight to heaven or something along those lines. Of course, the response to that then is "Then shouldn't we kill all infnats before they get the opportunity to reject your God? Wouldn't it be better for an infant to die and be saved rather than live and risk the likelihood that they will not accept Christ?"
Fun with Xians!
There's an age of the counting, where before that age you are not held responsible for your actions. It's not said exactly at what age it is, but it is there.
Also, murder is murder. Life on Earth is an experience that has been deemed good and desirable by God, and thus we protect it, as far as we can.
If you're going to mock something, please know what you're talking about, first.
Well of course it is murder, but logically it is the greatest gift you could give to someone - you guarantee them eternal life.
If we have an immortal existence, than surely there is nothing more precious than securing it with Christ - killing someone in order to do so must, therefore, be the very height of moral action. What could be a greater sacrifice than saving someones immortal soul, at the price of your own?
Serial child murderers, under this particular Xian belief system, should be praised and honored for their good deeds.
Really, if you beleive that your son will go straight to heaven for all eternity if he dies before he turns 20 (or whatever age the age of counting might be), then the best thing that could happen to him would be exactly that.
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: azazyel
You can follow the teachings of Jesus without ever hearing his name. Be humble unto others and what you find hateful do not do unto another. I don't understand how Christians can get so confused with believing in Jesus and in believing what Jesus taught. Personally I believe you can be a pretty good Christian by believing the latter. It's always harder to practice what you preach. I personally don't by the whole, "Christians aren't perfect, they are just forgiven" crap.
Exactly. When Jesus said the way to Heaven is through him, he meant through his teachings. Not through believing in him literally.
Originally posted by: Skoorb
That's a rather demented view, that somehow enlightening people with the word of God is damning them, all things the same.Originally posted by: Berkut
Originally posted by: marquee
I had a christian friend who was trying convert a hindu friend. The hindu friend asked the same question, 'what happens to people who've never heard about christianity?'
the christian friend responded that God made special considerations to people who were never offered the chance to believe.
my hindu friend replied, 'gee thanks, now you've just ruined my chances.'
Absolutely, your Xian friend just commited what must be the worst possible crime, he has likely damned your Hindu friend to an eternity of hell.
In fact, while serial child murderers must be praised for eir desire to see as many as possible enjoy salvation, missionaries are quite likely some of the most evil people the world has ever seen - by their actions they damn millions to an eternity of hell. Stalin has nothing on them, all he did was kill 30 million mortal bodies, how much worse to kill someones immortal soul?
Originally posted by: azazyel
You can follow the teachings of Jesus without ever hearing his name. Be humble unto others and what you find hateful do not do unto another. I don't understand how Christians can get so confused with believing in Jesus and in believing what Jesus taught. Personally I believe you can be a pretty good Christian by believing the latter. It's always harder to practice what you preach. I personally don't by the whole, "Christians aren't perfect, they are just forgiven" crap.
Originally posted by: Yzzim
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: xEDIT409
Originally posted by: RishiS
As a Hindu, you shouldn't even believe in the existence of a heaven and hell, so while his answer did deserve a, your question isn't even really a valid one, assuming you follow the Hindu beliefs.
Aw naw, I don't believe in heaven and hell. I am a firm Hindu... I just wanted ask the question to see what his response would be. I was merely curious as to what he would say.
Kinda stupid of Christianity to believe/say this if you ask me. They say jesus loves everyone...well ok...everyone definitely includes 5 billion people out there who are NOT Christian so 80% of the world's populations is gonna go to hell thru this "allmerciful lord".
I agree. I am a Christian. It is my firm belief that anyone who has not heard the good news of Salvation in life will be offered a second chance in death. I believe there is Biblical evidence for this, but that's just my interpretation of G-d's word.
If you're a Christian then why are you going by the Mosaic Law?
The Mosaic Laws died with Christ at the cross.
Originally posted by: RishiS
Originally posted by: azazyel
You can follow the teachings of Jesus without ever hearing his name. Be humble unto others and what you find hateful do not do unto another. I don't understand how Christians can get so confused with believing in Jesus and in believing what Jesus taught. Personally I believe you can be a pretty good Christian by believing the latter. It's always harder to practice what you preach. I personally don't by the whole, "Christians aren't perfect, they are just forgiven" crap.
Hmm interesting. Why then is there a need to convert to Christianity? Your logic seems to imply that someone like Gandhi was a good "Christian" in that he was someone whose heart was pure.
That's my main issue with Christianity. The need to convert. Hinduism, on the other hand, is a way of life, and there isn't a conversion process. To me, needing to do a ceremony to become accepted as a Christian, is why religion gets that stigma of being like a cult.
Yep, but that is why a lot of christians do NOT believe that you have to be a christian to be saved.It might be demented, but it is logically sound.
Normally when a set pf premises logically lead to a ridiculous conclusion, one should consider re-examining the truth of the premise.
Originally posted by: RishiS
Originally posted by: azazyel
You can follow the teachings of Jesus without ever hearing his name. Be humble unto others and what you find hateful do not do unto another. I don't understand how Christians can get so confused with believing in Jesus and in believing what Jesus taught. Personally I believe you can be a pretty good Christian by believing the latter. It's always harder to practice what you preach. I personally don't by the whole, "Christians aren't perfect, they are just forgiven" crap.
Hmm interesting. Why then is there a need to convert to Christianity? Your logic seems to imply that someone like Gandhi was a good "Christian" in that he was someone whose heart was pure.
That's my main issue with Christianity. The need to convert. Hinduism, on the other hand, is a way of life, and there isn't a conversion process. To me, needing to do a ceremony to become accepted as a Christian, is why religion gets that stigma of being like a cult.