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Finally something we can both agree on.My words speak for themselves, as do yours.
Finally something we can both agree on.My words speak for themselves, as do yours.
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Finally something we can both agree on.My words speak for themselves, as do yours.
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: azazyel
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
My beliefs are based on the word of G-d in it's entirety (what is available to us, anyway). I don't follow any particular religion or sect, nor do I "blend beliefs from various religions". I believe the word of G-d is universal, and that it is applicable to all mankind (including modern day man).
Concerning the thoughts of any man, whether he be "religious" or scholarly or what have you: G-d says to let no man deceive nor to let any man guide your beliefs. This is not to say that no one's opinion is valid, simply to take everything with a grain of salt.
So, you believe in the book of Morman and the Koran?
Nope. The Quran has nothing to do with G-d, IMHO. I've never read the Book of Mormon, but I doubt it's validity simply because of the story of it's origin. Of course, only Joseph Smith and G-d really know if it's real or not
Originally posted by: xEDIT409
How come in Christianity, they believe that if one is not Christian or if they do not follow Jesus... something along those lines... they will go to hell?
I'm in a World Religions class, and today, we had a Minister come in as a guest speaker. When he said this, I asked him,
"Well sir, I'm Hindu, and so is my entire family. Back in India, my grandparents live in a remote agricultural village where Christianity or any other relgion except Hinduism and maybe Islam, don't exist. My grandparents are the nicest people I have ever met. They both used to be elementary teachers, they've contributed much of their time and money to their community, and overall, they're very good people. So which leads to my question... are they going to hell because they don't even know Christianity is a religon?
His response: "I'm very sorry to say, but, yes, they will be going to hell"
My reaction: :disgust: ++ :Q + (A mix of those)
Originally posted by: moonshinemadness
Going along the theme of closed minded religions, when i was at school (I went to a catholic school, although im not a catholic) I was disturbed by the fact that our RE teachers would not acknowledge ANY other religion, including variants of the Christian base. The most Acknowledgement we got was a single lesson on "World Religions" 10 lines on judaism, Christian-(Methodist, C of E and a few others), Hinduism and Buddist.
I personally swing more to the pagan beliefs (Although i do not practice any particular religion) and despite the fact that alot of Christianity stems from Pagan beliefs (IMO) we didnt touch on the subject. Granted this was a catholic school but it was the same in the council run school. Surely this is a worryingly biased teaching?
Mikee
one has to admit that the principles of Christianity are something for most everyone to aspire to...
Originally posted by: MAME
how come on atot.......
50% of threads about about religion?
Originally posted by: Eli
Sick and sad, that's my reaction.
Close minded, simple minded fools, they are. They can't see the forest for the trees.
They don't realize their religion is no different or better than the other, when it comes down to it. Religion is a way to teach people values, morals and history. Unfortunately, it is human nature to distort and use such things for personal or political advantages.
Like I've said in other threads...
Some Muslims lead happy lives, some do not. Some Christians lead happy lives, some do not. Some Jews lead happy lives, some do not. Some Hindus lead happy lives, some do not. Some Atheists lead happy lives, some do not. Some Buddhists lead happy lives, some do not. Some Agnostics lead happy lives, some do not.
My point is that it's your choice.
If you need faith to be happy, that is fine and there is nothing wrong with that. You must, however, practice what you preach and realize that everybody is not like you. Not everybody is content accepting things as fact through nothing more than word of mouth, or text in a book. And again, there is nothing wrong with that. It is a sign of a thinking mind.
I have found that I do not need faith in intangible beings or objects to be happy. To further explain, I used to be very religious. As in, I believed in God, Jesus, that all things good came through him, etc, etc, etc. I believed this because it was taught to me by my Dad.
I don't believe that anymore primarily because.. I see how religion is used as a crutch by people to explain things they either do not really care about or do not wish to think about beyond a simple, usually mystical explination. I see how many billions of people there are in the world, and I realize that there is no special person; we're all the same regardless of our religion, race, etc. The same thing happens to all of us. We are born, we live our lives, and we die. What you make of it is up to you. If you are a happy, content person when you die, good job. If you are not, I am sorry.
As for Heaven and Hell.. I think the biggest misconception is that they are some sort of physical places. I find that amusing actually, it must be human nature to "physicalize" inheirently mystical things.. anyway..
The kingdom of heaven is within you, no? Therefor, so is hell. All that is to say is that you create your own heaven or hell. Again, it's up to you.
Just some thoughts...
Originally posted by: kranky
I believe that God knows best what to do about people who have never heard the Gospel, and it's not up to me to condemn anyone.
Originally posted by: Vic
Twisting the words of another person into a form that they did not intend is a dishonesty of the worst sort. You show your true colors... begone.Originally posted by: Berkut
Exactly, this is why it is ok to commit genocide, as long as God commands it!Originally posted by: Vic
Second, what is death to God? From His perspective, it could be seen as a release from the burden of the toiling existence on earth. We are His creations - He giveth and He taketh away.
Like he commanded Joshua to butcher every man, woman, and child in the city he conquered.
And like he commanded Jim Jones to have his followers drink the Special Kool-Ade (tm)
How come in Christianity, they believe that if one is not Christian or if they do not follow Jesus... something along those lines... they will go to hell?
To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, he [God] will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: Berkut
The way to really get them going is to follow that up with
"Well, that is unfortunate. What about 'innocents', such as they are? Does an infant who dies in childbirth go to hell? One who dies at 6 months? 6 years? What is the dividing line, if there is one? If there is no dividing line, i.e. all that are not Christian go to hell then surely the Christian god is a monster, since he sends infants to eternal torture while not giving them an opportunity to be saved."
Typically you get some version of "God does not punish innocents, they go to limbo or straight to heaven or something along those lines. Of course, the response to that then is "Then shouldn't we kill all infnats before they get the opportunity to reject your God? Wouldn't it be better for an infant to die and be saved rather than live and risk the likelihood that they will not accept Christ?"
Fun with Xians!
Biblically speaking, anyone under the age of 20 is not considered to be an adult, and is, therefore, still an innocent.
Originally posted by: xEDIT409
How come in Christianity, they believe that if one is not Christian or if they do not follow Jesus... something along those lines... they will go to hell?
I'm in a World Religions class, and today, we had a Minister come in as a guest speaker. When he said this, I asked him,
"Well sir, I'm Hindu, and so is my entire family. Back in India, my grandparents live in a remote agricultural village where Christianity or any other relgion except Hinduism and maybe Islam, don't exist. My grandparents are the nicest people I have ever met. They both used to be elementary teachers, they've contributed much of their time and money to their community, and overall, they're very good people. So which leads to my question... are they going to hell because they don't even know Christianity is a religon?
His response: "I'm very sorry to say, but, yes, they will be going to hell"
My reaction: :disgust: ++ :Q + (A mix of those)
Originally posted by: Athanasius
Hello xEDIT409:
Regarding this quote:How come in Christianity, they believe that if one is not Christian or if they do not follow Jesus... something along those lines... they will go to hell?
I am sorry the minister responded to you the way he did. But his view does not accurately represent historical Christianity, so please do not make his statement a fundamental part of your assessment of the Christian religion.
The historical standard regarding judgment is that individuals are evaluated based on how they respond to the truth from God that they have, not how they respond to some truth that they don't have.
I don't post often, but I have a well-deserved reputation for lengthy posts, so I will try keep this one shorter. Consider this statement from Romans 2:7-8 of the Christian New Testament:To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, he [God] will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.
Originally posted by: sxr7171
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: Berkut
The way to really get them going is to follow that up with
"Well, that is unfortunate. What about 'innocents', such as they are? Does an infant who dies in childbirth go to hell? One who dies at 6 months? 6 years? What is the dividing line, if there is one? If there is no dividing line, i.e. all that are not Christian go to hell then surely the Christian god is a monster, since he sends infants to eternal torture while not giving them an opportunity to be saved."
Typically you get some version of "God does not punish innocents, they go to limbo or straight to heaven or something along those lines. Of course, the response to that then is "Then shouldn't we kill all infnats before they get the opportunity to reject your God? Wouldn't it be better for an infant to die and be saved rather than live and risk the likelihood that they will not accept Christ?"
Fun with Xians!
Biblically speaking, anyone under the age of 20 is not considered to be an adult, and is, therefore, still an innocent.
They told me in religion class that the age was considered 7 years when people are responsible for their own actions.
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: sxr7171
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: Berkut
The way to really get them going is to follow that up with
"Well, that is unfortunate. What about 'innocents', such as they are? Does an infant who dies in childbirth go to hell? One who dies at 6 months? 6 years? What is the dividing line, if there is one? If there is no dividing line, i.e. all that are not Christian go to hell then surely the Christian god is a monster, since he sends infants to eternal torture while not giving them an opportunity to be saved."
Typically you get some version of "God does not punish innocents, they go to limbo or straight to heaven or something along those lines. Of course, the response to that then is "Then shouldn't we kill all infnats before they get the opportunity to reject your God? Wouldn't it be better for an infant to die and be saved rather than live and risk the likelihood that they will not accept Christ?"
Fun with Xians!
Biblically speaking, anyone under the age of 20 is not considered to be an adult, and is, therefore, still an innocent.
They told me in religion class that the age was considered 7 years when people are responsible for their own actions.
It is my limited understanding that for Jews the age is approx 13 years old. That makes sense, since it is about the age where child bearing becomes possible. The Bar/Bat Mitzvah is the ceremonial part of the transition. These days it seems to have lost some of its' original meaning(as far as I can tell), for most Jews 18 seems to be the current age, though the Mitzvah's are still celebrated at age 13.
Originally posted by: azazyel
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: azazyel
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
My beliefs are based on the word of G-d in it's entirety (what is available to us, anyway). I don't follow any particular religion or sect, nor do I "blend beliefs from various religions". I believe the word of G-d is universal, and that it is applicable to all mankind (including modern day man).
Concerning the thoughts of any man, whether he be "religious" or scholarly or what have you: G-d says to let no man deceive nor to let any man guide your beliefs. This is not to say that no one's opinion is valid, simply to take everything with a grain of salt.
So, you believe in the book of Morman and the Koran?
Nope. The Quran has nothing to do with G-d, IMHO. I've never read the Book of Mormon, but I doubt it's validity simply because of the story of it's origin. Of course, only Joseph Smith and G-d really know if it's real or not
So, let me clarify, you believe the torah and the bible are the word of god. Yet, you have come to this belief on your own volition because "G-d says to let no man deceive nor to let any man guide your beliefs." So, in your youth you read both these books and did some historical research and had an epiphany showing you these were the true books? The reason I say this is because anyone I know who wasn't taught about the bible would just look at it as another book. But if you were not guided towards the bible then how did you know that it was the word of god? If just seems strange that other religions of the world, some of which teach very similar ideals were not incorporated into your beliefs. Even one that is said to be descended from Abraham.