how come such Huge price drop on AMD Fx 6300 and Intel core i3

[Yuriman]

^ Yes but the use of my PC changed

You all were supposed to guide me properly as to the value of AMD CPU and why its better than intel in the long run.

This site would have you believe intel is so much more superior than AMD until you realize you f***ed yourself in the a** by buying intel.

I disagree. An i3 is an equally strong CPU as an FX-6300, but neither can be bought for $50. In fact, there's not much other than a Pentium that you can buy for $50.

Given a higher budget, I would have recommended either an FX or an i3 with a leaning toward the i3, because overall I feel it's a better chip.

 

[john5220]

So back to the original title of the thread

Why is all of a sudden these CPUs are so cheap?

 

[Yuriman]

So back to the original title of the thread

Why is all of a sudden these CPUs are so cheap?

Neither has suddenly gotten cheap, they've been going for that for over a year.

 

[john5220]

That's why you buy an i5 and get the best of both or an i7. If you can't afford it that's on you. Doesn't make the processor any worse and certainly doesn't make an FX6300 better than an i5

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Could I then buy this?

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-i3-4150-...-1&keywords=i3

would it be able to come close to a FX 6300? changing out mainboard etc would be a waste

there is one chance by next year my dad wants a new desktop so i can sell him mine and build a new system but if that don't work out would the i3 I posted in this amazon link be SIGNIFICANTLY better than my pentium G?

 

[john5220]

Neither has suddenly gotten cheap, they've been going for that for over a year.

Nah the AMD fx 6300 was about $125 about 3 months ago. Now its $95

the i3 only went down by $10 I guess.

I wonder if its due to the unlocked pentium G @ 4GHZ that intel released?

think about it, its better to buy that pentium and OC it for stuff you need that only uses 2 threads. It would be faster than the i3 or even i7 with locked multiplier

 

[SlowSpyder]

The FX6300 at under $100 offers really, really good bang for the buck. Especially for overclockers.

 

[john5220]

The FX6300 at under $100 offers really, really good bang for the buck. Especially for overclockers.

yeah $95 bucks really do wish I had an AMD board.

Who knew this chip would have gotten so cheap.

 

[Yuriman]

The FX6300 at under $100 offers really, really good bang for the buck. Especially for overclockers.

It does, though an i3 offers similar performance stock v stock without the need for an aftermarket cooler, overclocking motherboard or larger power supply. I feel neither is a bad choice.

EDIT: It's not an issue for most, but AMD boards use older chipsets with worse USB, SATA and PCIe performance, and also typically have more dated audio codecs (worse sound).

 

[john5220]

^ do you think the i3 for $109 at 3.5 GHZ would offer near similar performance of a FX 6300 in unreal engine 4 and battlefield 4?

I know intel wins in single threaded sadly I don't use anything thats not multi threaded anymore. I feel as though intel should offer 4 GHZ i3 for same price as FX 6300 but I don't think they would

 

[SlowSpyder]

It does, though an i3 offers similar performance stock v stock without the need for an aftermarket cooler, overclocking motherboard or larger power supply. I feel neither is a bad choice.

Factory settings vs. factory settings you don't need those things for the FX6300 either. At least wit the FX you have the option to overclock if you wanted. It is a shame Intel doesn't release a 'K' model i3. But, if they did it would probably eat into their i5 sales if priced too low, and if priced kind of high most people would go with an i5 anyway, probably. Maybe for the 20th anniversary of the i3 we'll get an unlocked model.

 

[john5220]

^ if intel had K model i3 I would not even make this thread.

I would take a say 4 GHZ or 4.2GHZ i3 over the FX 6300 especially if its priced reasonably. What I would give for an unlocked i3, as it stands I am feeling such regret on buying intel hoping for value for money.

But how bad could a K i3 eat into profits of an i5?

 

[Yuriman]

An i3 is slower than an FX-6300 by a little in things that can take advantage of all if the FX's threads (moreso if you overclock the FX), and considerably faster in things that don't. Games like Titanfall, Guild Wars 2, GTA and WoW all run much better on Intel chips, while an FX will have an edge in Battlefield (all that I can think of off the top of my head, I'll update with more).

IMO, if you can afford an i5, grab one and enjoy top-performance for years to come. An i3 will be an improvement over a Pentium, though of course it's also twice the price. You can probably sell your Pentium in the classifieds for nearly what you paid though.

EDIT: Might want to check the front page's reviews of AMD's latest FX refresh:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8427/amd-fx-8370e-cpu-review-vishera-95w/3

 

[john5220]

^ I think I will do just that.

Buy the i3 since intel dropped the price to $109 now. And sell back my pentium G to recover some profits. Maybe the 4 threads in the i3 might help out though I highly doubt it would max 6 core in a FX 6300 overclocked.

btw the FX 6300 has 6 real cores right? its not hyper threading thingy like intel or anything like that where it shows up as 4 but does not perform as a true 4?

 

[Yuriman]

If you're this upset over the Pentiums shortcomings, it might be wise to splurge on an i5 and save yourself some heartache. After all, Nehalem i5's are still relevant over 5 years later.

 

[ShintaiDK]

btw the FX 6300 has 6 real cores right? its not hyper threading thingy like intel or anything like that where it shows up as 4 but does not perform as a true 4?

It has 3 modules that can handle 6 threads. While the i3 got SMT, the FX6300 got CMT. You dont get 6 true cores. Also why you can sometimes find that a 6 core Phenom is faster.

 

[Yuriman]

^ I think I will do just that.

Buy the i3 since intel dropped the price to $109 now. And sell back my pentium G to recover some profits. Maybe the 4 threads in the i3 might help out though I highly doubt it would max 6 core in a FX 6300 overclocked.

btw the FX 6300 has 6 real cores right? its not hyper threading thingy like intel or anything like that where it shows up as 4 but does not perform as a true 4?

FX's have modules. When they first came out, there was a lot of argument over whether "6 core" was false advertisement, because the cores share resources. Each module has 2 cores in it, and if both cores are doing something, they only perform on average at around 80% of if only one core was loaded. It's generally accepted now that 6 cores is an acceptable label, but running on all 6 cores really only gets you 4.8x the performance of running a single thread.

Stock vs stock, an i3 will have ~50-60% better performance per clock, and another 30% potential boost from hyperthreading, making a fully loaded i3 (on paper) about 4.2 to the FX's 4.8, but equally fast in 4-5 thread loads and pulling ahead below that, up to 50-60% faster in 2 threaded loads.

 

[PhIlLy ChEeSe]

@Johnny,
Who told you to buy a dual core intel lolz! you fool! :awe:

 

[BSim500]

This chart shows exactly why an i3 and FX6300 are similarly priced:-

The FX6300 runs some apps faster, some slower but draws over 100w more power at same overall i3 performance level. And the above i3 isn't even a modern +10-15% faster Haswell i3.

^ do you think the i3 for $109 at 3.5 GHZ would offer near similar performance of a FX 6300 in unreal engine 4 and battlefield 4?...

Even the slowest Haswell i3 runs BF 4 just fine (with a decent GFX card that is).

Edit : Another one.

Edit 2 : And another one (multiplayer)

 

[Yuriman]

Don't get me wrong, I think the FX-6300 is a great chip for the price, but I probably wouldn't invest in AM3 if I didn't already have a board I could drop one in. i3 gets my vote for an Intel upgrade path, or if building from scratch.

 

[cytg111]

This chart shows exactly why an i3 and FX6300 are similarly priced:-

- In that scenario i'd go with the i3 for two reasons
1. Singlethreaded performance
2. Drop in replacement i5 or i7 down the road.

 

[positivedoppler]

Wow, this little bait is all it takes for the Intel Representatives Group(tm) to bite. Have fun at it boys .

lol. John there are those here in their eyes Intel can do no wrong and any positive to AMD will be greeted with relentless criticism. The same can be said for a few AMD folks. You and everybody else figure out how to filter out the cheerleaders

 

[Erenhardt]

The FX6300 runs some apps faster, some slower but draws over 100w more power at same overall i3 performance level. And the above i3 isn't even a modern +10-15% faster Haswell i3.

LOL! That makes i3 the first CPU that generates power, since fx6300 doesn't suck 100Watts.


Also, no-frametime graphs on those videos. Useless.

fx6300 overclocks like crazy. +20% OC (4.2GHz) is easy peasy. 30% (4.55) is probably average with any aftermarket cooler - a must have regardless if you are overclocking or not (who runs stock cooler?!) on cheapest motherboard (overclocking amd doesn't require fancy expensive mobos).

Its going to be only worse now for i3:

 

[Enigmoid]

^ Yes but the use of my PC changed

You all were supposed to guide me properly as to the value of AMD CPU and why its better than intel in the long run.

This site would have you believe intel is so much more superior than AMD until you realize you f***ed yourself in the a** by buying intel unless you are super duper RICH.

Ow well maybe I can buy a i3

We can't help you when you change your use. Simply put we gave the best recommendation we could at the price you were willing to pay. Don't get me wrong, AMD is much better for MT on a budget but that was not what you wanted when you asked for a recommendation.

LOL! That makes i3 the first CPU that generates power, since fx6300 doesn't suck 100Watts

The platform sucks more.

Its nearly 100W, not quite, under gaming. Even under mantle.

No mantle is similar but fps on the i3 is much higher.

 

[infoiltrator]

My understanding is an overclocked Pentium G3258 ($60 ON SALE) does very well. Overclocked FX-6300 beats i3 on multithread aps. (note FX-6300 has been $110-120 for a long time) AMD may be selling out 6300s so 6350 is the three module six core available.
If you insist a used Z77 board and an I5 2500K would be similarly priced and much better.

 

[DrMrLordX]

yeah $95 bucks really do wish I had an AMD board.

Who knew this chip would have gotten so cheap.

The FX-6300 is a (relatively) low-volume part that was once rather popular since it could work well on most AM3+ boards with a 4+1 phase design, and maybe offer a little overclocking headroom in the process. Octal-core FX chips pulled too much power to work well on those boards. Even for people with more robust boards, it still offered a cheap alternative to the 8320 for people who knew they wouldn't need more than the ability to handle 6 threads.

Then the latest PD refresh (the "E" chips and the 8310) hit. Now you've got undervolter dream chips floating around, like the 8320E that can hit 4.5 ghz at very reasonable voltages (1.36-1.37v vcore) or lower clockspeeds at voltages that pose no risk to 4+1 boards. Bottom line is that the 6300's market dried up very quickly.

The 6300 is $95 (and probably still falling) because there's much less cause for anyone to buy one now. You'd be wiser to grab an FX-8310 or FX-8320E.

As for your Pentium purchase . . . no comment. If only you had gotten a G3258 instead.